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We are here today to have a conversation to one that we started a whileoehw tz when the army announced the aviation restructuring was one of the more contentious elements of the armys portion of that budget debate. Thatsdinu q 5ijjju as of aczj few days ago. And so we wanted to have a follow7m where that initiative stands and the future aviation with large given the guidance that was recently given by the congressecc and to do that i think we have a really terrific panel lined up. So to my immediate right is the9f director of the defense office. He is a career aviator who commanded and had the opportunity to command a troop in iraq and go back to the brigade many years later which while he was there became the first enhanced combat aviat~kn brigade. So was in charge of all operations in iraq. Hes done en a few other things along the way. Ea zf1 o hymf n first came to theuy v army staff in g8 in and then was able to escape for a year and go backjca[w to the real army at ft. Riley where involved with the w z implementation of aligned forces and how that applied tou so he is leading the charge and÷sq ÷ framing next one maybe i dont but manages toss keep busy of hes going to offer perspectives on the overalll fiscal aviation land xap is place. To his right is colonel johnr7 tx lindsey who is the director of aviation and army chief. C s6÷ colonel lindsey is one of the architects of the aviation restructure. So hes going to talk about how that is proceeding and where that stands looking forward. And then finally we have its always great , d have back our vfjn alumni. He was a csi fellow in 2012. He was noting in the old building and the digs since he was here last. Also a career aviator who commanded both in the general Purpose Forces and in special q n operations. 5zc Aviation Regiment at ftlpqw a campbell. He just came from brigade command in korea and has now the opportunity to implement or try to synthesize all the lessons assignment into being the director ofx develonnp9n again, i think0l8 expertise, you guys are sort ofok÷ cumulatively touched many of ther0 c same places along the way. But you have also sort of like a lot of the the enterprise piece is what we like to talk about. Here and between us. 8,000 flight hours and about over 1,000 combat flight hours as aaa apache guy and a specialnu operations blackhawk aviator. So i mean, you know, got that. Goodjirt÷ afternoon. This is our version of aimq÷ this is not gray7f goose. So my name isbix frank booth. I was introduced. And what id like to do is as my position before when i was director of material and also the division chief for 2012, 2013, i think i gotq[]yp a pretty good kind of experience as where the budget was going specifically related torp the equipment pay or associated withihr÷ the modernization. And so what id like to do,aj÷ is having that perspective and then turning around in 2013 and going back and being the Deputy Commanding general for support for the big red one by the way, the oldest, most historicktu division in the United States army, i got mynny perspective of what is the impact of budget i got a vision notn8 vision a window of what impacts are the Budget Constraints and also the potential forumn sequestration have i know were here to talk about something else. But its important to frame it around the discussion of the budget airy cuts and also the impacts of sequestration. So lets talk. In the last because of the budget eiairary constraints, well over 270 programs have been impacted. And whether that has beenkaje2y programs have been basically taken off theyve been descoped or whether theyve been delayed in some way, shape or fwasa 270. That is aq, significant amount. If you lookh4y at the overall pay on the average historically it ranges anywhere in a wvz÷ balanced force, not a hollow force. It ranges anywhere 24 of the overall budget. Withinzjs the ee pay. That is about lo3 22 24 of the budget. Right now were sitting at about 17 . That is a significant cut inn our modernization programs. A Significant Impact on the 4 11 strategic, basically, what theia2iz army is now withpa x as it pertains to the budget. So if we go to full sequestration, then what occurs to the programs we talked b i and some of them more than once. When you reshape one year, you have a more budget cuts thann n that, you have to keep descoping. Additional 137 programs, whether they will kill or whether theyll be vaudescoped or moved to the right in some shape or form. That is an impact to the modernization of ourh. iolau÷e4br÷÷ so it was september time frame. We went into the governmentj 3÷ shutdown. It occurred 8aa÷ that we were told even though we were requesting based ong r previous years budget which was 147 million to run the division, we requested about 135 million. And now that understand that is two Armored Brigade Combat Teams and Aviation Brigade and sustained brigade. What happened was when all occurred in september october, november time yrame, we were told youre going toias get w million. In. 4dbgw so everyone askwgh how do you portray the impacts of readiness . This happened in the division. Immediately we had to implement anything over 50,000, any type of a purchase wany for . W3bv the division, i had to personally approve. You have to understand that an Armor Brigade Combat Team for a year on an average this is very rough order of magnitude, 14 million to train. That doesnt include thez ctce s2c rotation. You can imagine what that our1lmn average Brigade Combat Team is sitting for the year based on what we wereay projecting at 4 million to 5 million. fso one tank enk sin 472,000. Can you go through almost 2y 1 2 months of if one tankkcf. R went down. So everything we stopped driving ourmq vehicles. We stopped shooting. We stopped training. Wfmy so at the operational vvzside we stopped training. We stopped driving our vehicles. I said yo0m cb know that could be the big red line. I n talked to] anotherbaz deputy 1hn general in a class last week. He said they did the same thing with the strikers. They drove them back and forthllfun three or four feet just so the tires wouldnt get kind of indended on one side or another. Just to keep the engines going. You didnt have the gas. You didnt have the money to pay for any miles or or any type of bullets. So that is the division. That is trying to getoi trod do some of theiz1i missions that we were tasked to do. So what was occurring]hv tactically at the Company Level . Nothing. As theyom possibly can to you know, sore soldiers and leerdship development. When it 84i comesknf at the platoon which requires you to get8u into[9 maneuver on the btr q d andjxu the axaejt that we asked for and we could start to get that training back up we were able to get back on to a path. 64i but everybody always xhfasks, what happens. What is the impact . From my perspective, last year, i think we saw a pretty good idea of what would occur at a division if sequestration occurred and your budget was cut essentiallytni in half. Thats what happened to us. You know to me that was very telling. Come back here in the building and have die logs with folks and explain, there is what occurred at a division. By the way, your Aviation Brigade wentfmhau to less than 11 per month per pilot. Can you maintain the current and your current but are you proficient on day night aerial gun operationors company decisive actions . Absolutely notnl l so the readinessdxi n impacted the division significantly. And thatszln. M÷ what if we move forward with sequestration, at least what i saw last year, i could certainly see that we could see that occur wnt division when it comes to the readiness and . S overall. I look forward to having a dialogue about aviation restructuring or how the impacts of both across the board and the savings of around 12 billion a little over 12 billion has on thatvhmle strategic impact. Operational and the tactical . Thank you very much. John . Sir thank you very much. I appreciate it. I see a lot of familiar faces in here today. We talked to j many of you in the past year and a half. Its been a long road. Were sort of building. But thats in fact not the b0 ccase. 9hn we conceived of this a long time ago with some very solid analytical underpinnings. It feels like a long road because of the process, right . The process is we submit something into the 1519 palm. It happened in the fall of 2013. Hxq it gets sent forward inm of this year. As part of the secretary of defense and president s budget. For equipping alo be significantlyiubg reduced and were going to talk about that in a little bit. The approach was very6q characteristic of the way things are often done and that is a salaamy slice. Its a cut of whole units. We didnt look into the unitg m andf n rearrange things inymxeb them. We cut whole units out of the force. And that was five Aviation Brigades. The plan was. lo to induce itnd three. Z it cut all of the modernized systems associated with thosea iahp hc Aviation Brigades,o3jc it cut alltk ofd c2n the best stuff. It cut when we looked at that. We thought theres got to be am, better way. This plan1 . O this original plan included keeping many of the£ay n legacy systems that had been in our fleet have been in our army g inventory for 40 years. E i]nd that included÷n;n archival warriors, our charlies and our aging training fleet. O n so what the armys gxg plan did is solve for a short term fiscal bogey. It didnt solve for a training aircraft. It didnt solve for scout helicopter. It was the approach to put billions of dollars into the aging warrior which was going tojd give you a marginal upgrade inohncapability down the road. It didnt do anything to our aviation structures. They all remain the same. We had across the force. Q so we tookia different look. Is there a way to solve many aviation problems . One of the things we put together is this idea that we wanted to keep preserve our best stuff. Lets not take our aircraft ourun best stuff and sweep it off the side of the aircraftnp t ets not docgfcz that. Letsk5 ÷ safe our apaches. Lets save our uh 60s. That became an organizing principle for our aviation. There was no idea that we were going to h a ablelm p to goofo to the armyeuq÷c and ask for more money. That wasnt going to happen. The money was gone in the program in the outyears. So we choices. If you agree that the organizing principle is to keep your best stuff, thennda5 you have to throw into play, throw into the mix the idea bi that you die vest yourf÷1 mix, of course, is your aircraft. We had 368 aircraftv2,z in the fleet. We got ten squadrons. Brawpand we imagined what the army would be if we die vested the x oha8d. Of course, the question came up what do we do next . What happensmrmwith the scout . Of [|ie, we have the ah64d which studieno3 have7 ,n shown can and has over the past many years2zft performed the scout role very, very infectively in the p. Army. So that is one ofdrq b the organizing principles in the army. We had to pay close attention to the mix within the ac and the rc because, again, dieudasingtkx6 the o hiv g the number of the battalions in the army fromhi down to 20. And when you go downe to that few number of battalions based on t over the past 13 years at least then you have to think very carefully about where younx put those assets. And we make the recommendation to the leadership andmh agreed that we i3c needed to put based on tempo and training requirements that asset, the ah64 into the you know you could not move one thing from one component into the other without having it corresponding balance back to the reserve component for that reason. On shedding structure active pro poen enlt. We can move somea6u the National Guard. p ]e tn way currently have a single engine nonglass cockpitp trainingerro0y down at ft. Y and the idea with to put a duel engine aircraft in place with a glass cockpit. That does a couple thingsv us. Wc ct of all of t0 change78x is occurring in the active4bn component. Officer Transition Panel in past over 350 warrant officers for advanced aircraft transitions. And so those folks are currently being programmed for the nextyt several years to pursue training in other. 6dn aircraft. Thats happening. We have canceled training at ft. H tn rutger. And we have turned in all of our oh58ejhyy deltas at ft. Rutger and moved them to davis forjg÷ demilitarization. Xqhqnl ny kzf we havee1 1 hbq. n63 aircraft currently fielded. k t hahp hc and that process is on going throughout the army. Weve converted two aviatit ÷ qt ades that have the objective structure rightn5 grass m nhu9crn and]x they began to n c thi,e capable force. So with that, i have5. 9n plenty of other information we can share once we get the questions. But ille k h ass it off to my wing man. Mrgp fqc cq ,bx wq along with managing also the portfolio. So certainly an exciting time. Over 20 of the army dollars go to Army Aviation. That is a significant ib vestnvestinvestment by the army. Getting best bang for the buck certainly what we put in front of us as we go forward. This year, you know we have reallocated the warrior funds, the cockpit censor upgrade funds much thats been about 1. 4 billion. We put that into our ari programs. So the remanufacture of the ah64 into the oak owe model. Some modifications and the ah64 benefited from those funds the shadow as well. Weve been able to put incrypted data link in the shadow. And well continue to do that. And also weve invested some of those funds into grade. And so certainly the theme as you see is we have to stick on this modernization path. We have to stay focused on keeping the most modern platforms and equipment that support that those platforms in Army Aviation. And lastly, you know, were neutral in cost. So a significant number of these cast of dollars the censor upgrade dollars have gone to the training that john lindsey brought up. The extra there is no extra cost in training and reformatting our force to give me the right flat forms. A few of the collars, over 600 million went into transitions. Lastly thanks to bringing me back. The place looks great. And i wish i could have been here for the ribbon cutting. Thanks very much to all of you. I want to start with a couple questions and then open it up to all of you. I forgot to mention its been fortuitous, i just almost turned my phone off. So if people can preclude any future phone calls that would be great. And then when we bring the mikes around, if you can wait for the mike and then quickly identify yourself and ask a question as quickly as possible is appreciated. I have two questions, you can diffy them however you like. The first is about weve had a series of events around the future vertical lift initiative and longer term aviation prospect. And the army is a major player and probably the principal player in that initiative. I want to know from the gentlemen, whats the impact of the fiscal environment that you talk about on the step after the restructure . What does all of this mean for fel Going Forward and how important is the development of the capabilities to the future Army Aviation . My second question has to do with how you view the impact of the commission on active and National Guard. Active and reserve components of the army which is which whose activities over the next year and a half will inform how ari goes forward . Let me take the commission first. Then ill let my esteemed colleague at the end of the table because they just finished up analysis. He can talk about the potential path forward or the path forward. So the commission you know i think pretty Common Knowledge that the army did not think we needed a commission. Just because of the studies that have been done whether its with rant and of course cape just did analysis and, of course we did our own internal analysis and we thought it was very good. A lot of analytical rigor put to it to determine the cost benefit analysis with ari. And how that impacts both just like john talked about the modernization and impact to aviation, you know as an entire branch and ability to kind of move forward. But all indications are there is going to be a commission. And so of course, if there is you know, as transparent and as whatever the commission needs in terms of information, the army is going to move forward and provide that information to ensure they have everything they need at the end of the day to make the best recommendation to go forward. Then well go from there. There are several things you know the and ill let him explaining more of that later. Ari, as he talked about, is already more than apache moves. It i