People around him at all time. [ applause ] i dont think governor gilmore was worried about it, do you . No. Youre not a threat. Youre the good guys. Thats right. So its the safest room in the state as bob said. Theres a lot of information out there and information is the power of politics. If you want to win elections, you have to have information. And part of the critical information that you need is information about the candidates, where they stand, what they stand for, do they really mean what they say, have they proven that they mean what they say, what did they say a couple of years ago, what are they saying now, how is it different. There is lots of sites out there. Theres lots of research out there. The National ShootingSports Foundation has their gun vote project online. Good information, good resources. The nra, gun owners of america, Citizens Committee for the right to keep and bear arms, the various state organizations, the Arizona Citizens Defense League yeah of which im a proud new life member. They offered me a deal. They said, well, we can add up all the years youve been a member and heres how much it will cost you to go life, jeff. So i did that yesterday and im glad to have done it, but all of those information sites digging around out there, weve come up with something several years ago and each election cycle we build it back up again and then it dies off. Its called gunowner. Org. How many of you play out on the internet . You get out there. You surf. Forums, anybody addicted to forums . Gunvoter. Org is a forum site. Its user driven. The objective is for you to bring information to gunvoter. Org from all of those other sites that you visit or your personal knowledge and tell everybody elsewhere this candidate stands, what hes saying about the issues, what hes done about the issues, what she wants to do about the issues, and most importantly the voting record, votes, votes, votes, votes are your best indicator of where somebody stands. Thats why right now my critical issue, along with getting you to come to gunvoter. Org to participate in that conversation, my critical issue is representative rob bishops bill to delete the sporting purpose language from the gun control act. [ applause ] i dont know about you, but ive never found the words sporting purpose in the constitution. I dont find it in the Second Amendment, and its been the law that some bureaucrat is deciding what you or i can import or possess or purchase based on his determination, her determination, of what meets some sporting purpose criteria. Thats absolutely wrong. One of the issues thats been discussed is some division amongst gun groups and rights advocates. Im a firm supporter of National Reciprocity, but theres some division in the house regarding National Reciprocity and whether its a wise move to push. When it comes to removing the sporting purpose language, i dont think theres anybody in this room or in the Rights Movement who would disagree that that needs to happen and thats a vehicle for getting votes. We need to be pushing the house and the senate today to push this bill, to get the votes, so that we have the ammunition that we need. We know whos on our side and whos not on our side and we know who to vote for come 2016. Thats the objective and thats what we want to do with gunowner. Org and bring that in. Now, a lot of you know that im not a specialist. I dont focus in one area. Im kind of eclectic. I get around. I do a lot of things. Im interested in a lot of things. As i listen to the panels here one after the other, theres always something that i want to comment on, something i want to add. As we talk about the emotion, i want to bring up a story. A few years ago, i was testifying before the d. C. City council. And marion barry gave an emotional plea talking about all of the funerals that he had attended due to gun violence. And i got my opportunity at the microphone, and i gave my little spiel and i said, before i go, i want to Say Something to mayor barry about those funerals because i want to tell you about the funerals that i havent attended. I didnt attend a funeral for my great grandmother before i was born. My family didnt have to attend her funeral when she was alone with her four siblings in a farmhouse in louisiana and a disgruntled former employee was kicking on the door, declaring how he was going to murder all of them and she stood alone in the front room with a shotgun and defended her family and survived. [ applause ] i didnt have to attend the funeral of my grandmother and my aunt when they were in a remote location in new mexico and were assaulted by a man with a large knife. And my grandmother pulled her pistol from her purse and said you get back and they survived. [ applause ] i didnt have to attend the funeral of either of my sisters on two separate occasions, one when a man came into our home and my little sister was home alone and met him at the top of the stairs with a gun and she survived. [ applause ] when my other sister, my older sister, stopped in at a rest stop on the highway to take care of a little bit of business on a long trip and someone assaulted her in the stall in the bathroom and she had a gun and she survived. [ applause ] as alan corwin has told us, guns save lives. Guns are what separate the good guys from the bad guys and give us the ability to defend against those willing to do evil against us. And so lets never forget that if it saves one life, the life it saves might just be yours. Anyway [ applause ] to wrap things up, i just want to say thank you for being here. Im looking forward to the leadership Institutes Program across the way this afternoon. If you can attend, it is always worthwhile. Mortons programs are spectacular. Alan, this has been a great, great conference, and were glad that all of you guys could come out. Votes, your vote, every vote matters, but right now the votes that matter the most are the votes in congress to let us know where these folks really stand. So i urge you to urge your politicians, your elected servants, the guys who are supposed to be working for you, to vote on the bishop bill, to vote on National Reciprocity, and give us the ammunition we need to move forward on gunvoter. Org and other sites that are mobilizing the Rights Movement to get the right people elected to defend our rights. Im jeff knox with the firearms coalition. Thank you very much for your attention. [ applause ] thank you, jeff. And thank you, alan. We have finished a little early, so well have more time for questions. If you have a question, id like you to line up over here to my left. Be prepared to state your name and location and ask a question. Now, some of our panelists from this morning have had to fly the coop, so they may not be here, but well do our best. If other morning panelists are available, they dont have to come all the way up on the stage, but if they want to hang out over there or down near or come up on the stage, we will do our best answer all the questions. But like alex trebek, i will say to you please in the form of a question. If you have statements to make later, thats what the hallways for. If you want to engage in extended dialogue with one of our panel itseistpanelists, aga theyll be happy to do that outside in the hall. State your name and your question. If you want to direct it specifically to a panelist, give us that panelists name. [ inaudible ]. Hang on, steve. Try it again. Is the switch on that mic or is there a switch . Works better when you turn it on. Go ahead, sir. One, two. Oh, just get closer . Okay. Im steve mead. Long time member of the nra and you name it. I have one fairly broad question that could go to a lot of people, but somebody may have some answers. Why is it not a federal civil rights crime for Michael Bloomberg and his kind to organize and fund a conspiracy to defraud United States citizens of fundamental Constitutional Rights . [ applause ] no, this is not working. Okay. Yes, i believe were speaking from the podium so the Television Cameras are focused on the podium. The problem is the courts have historically have ruled that people have First Amendment rights to do these kind of things. Your only recourse is use your rights to combat it back or to use your Voting Rights at the ballot box to defeat them in public office. It just isnt going to happen. Ill take a question, if i can move over to the big mic. I have a very quick answer. I think we need to use our billionaires against their billionaires. My only question there, neil, is where are they. Where are our billionaires because i really want to meet them . Im not sure hes ours. Okay. All right. Hi, bob. Hi. Peggy, thank you. Im not a supporter of donald trump. My candidate in 2016 is nobody. The vote for nobody campaign. I will say donald trump has a Second Amendment statement on his web page second to none. Hi, bob. Thank you. My name is bob culliver. Im a semiretired engineer living in wyoming now. I escaped from maryland. In the form of a question, my question is to the folks who were talking about the nfa regulations and the 200 tax that got imposed. Im going to reiterate why that tax was imposed. Now that person that question for me out in the hall is because under the Second Amendment they could not regular those firearms. They had to find a dodge. That was the tax. The same thing is going to be applied for ammo and Everything Else weve hear about today. They cant do some things under the Second Amendment, but they seem to find ways around it. Absolutely right, bob. Yes, sir. There wasnt a question there . Were grading on a curve. Hi there. Im a local area activist here in phoenix, arizona, and have had a wonderful time this weekend. Ive heard infringed and infringement several times. My question is, why is it i never here necessary for the security of a free state . Thank you. You want me to take a stab at it . Theres no doubt that thats part of the Second Amendment. And theres no doubt that the Second Amendment was written to keep us secure as a free state and that one of the problems the Founding Fathers saw was the federal government running away with peoples rights. They wanted to make sure you had the right, like it or not, to rebel. But in todays context in the modern world were pretty much looking at it as fighting it on an individual right battle. Were relying on a whole lot right now is two Key Supreme Court cases. You have the right to have a firearm to protect yourself. Those didnt talk very much about protecting your free state. Were looking at gun laws that are put in place that are screwing up our gun rights. Theyre all basically aimed at us as individuals. You only hear a lot about it because in the context of the modern debate and the current battle thats not the front line, i guess. Ill make a general comment about that. The founders noted that if we didnt have moral people in government, that the constitution and the whole concept of selfgovernance wouldnt work. And we dont have strong moral people in government on both sides of the aisle. All powers not delegated to the federal government are reserved for the people in the states respectfully. So we have the government regulating all sorts of things theyre not empowered to do. Theres no legitimate delegated authority to control education, energy, drugs, all these things that the federal government has taken upon itself. It has no legitimate delegated authority to do. If you find it regulating in the area of the Second Amendment or gun rights or your medical care or Energy Policy or education at the state level, we have people who are not moral, who are not following the constitution from top to bottom, and thats creating problems with our nation across the board. It seems to me like the last time the federal government actually looked at the constitution to see if we had power to do the things theyre doing was in the implementation of the federal highway system where they called it the federal defense highway system and said we need this to defend the nation adequately and justified it on that basis. When bob spoke about the nfa, they said we cant regulate guns because of the Second Amendment, but perhaps we can tax them and that would be okay. And they applied a 200 tax, which at the time was a years salary. So that would regulate them almost totally without infrin infringing on the Second Amendment. Was sort of a roundabout way to do it. So now government does what they want regardless of the constitution. No moral people in government, or very few, and government has run amuck, and we find ourselves in a dastardly state of affairs. Were going to take two more questions. I dont know why you people are so shy and you dont line up when i tell you to line up. We have one question here and the next question here. And then were going to allow cspan to take down their cameras. Then well go into resolution. Yes, sir. Thank you. My name is byron baker from sun city west, arizona. I have a question and im looking for comments and possibly some advice on future activities that we might participate in as carriers. There is that arena of intimidation and an as yet unnamed army thats developing against carriers across the nation. They practice swatting where any citizen can yell gun like fire in a theater, and theres a moral imperative on the part of Law Enforcement to come immediately to the area where gun has been shouted. And i guess to condense it, my question is going to be what would be my legal response in case i am swatted by someone who is hysterical or is now a member of this unnamed army that feels like in hitlerian germany youre supposed to betray your neighbor. I wonder what the organizations might do to inform the general public about their obligation and the responsibility they have in case some victimhood is created like you talked about yesterday. The first thing is survive the situation. Thank you. Number one is to survive it. That means absolute compliance with the police when they show up because theyve been told theres a man with a gun and theyre possibly jittery. It is the violence policy coalition has been pushing this concept of swatting on their facebook and twitter feeds and its vile. It is illegal for someone to give a false report. And if they exaggerate that report we had a guy killed at a cosco in las vegas because the reports were exaggerated. He walked out the door and the police shot him. It was a horrible thing. But as far as legal consequences or backing up, i think that the organizations that we have would try and back you up and try and support you if we could find an angle for it, but its a very difficult situation. It really is. Its dangerous. I think weve accomplished a great deal by just making us aware of the fact that it could happen. Thank you. Charles heller from over there. The Arizona Citizens Defense League is looking at that for this legislative session. We had an incident of exactly that happen in flagstaff last week with a retired peace officer who is also disabled. The store there that used to be i cant think of the name of the store. It was a chain that was recently acquired. The store called police and accused him of waving a gun around. He has agreed to testify if he run a bill from the citizens defense league. You should all look at our web sate for updates on that. I dont know if the president is here. I know the treasurer is here and the board. You can talk to us about it afterwards. Whos in the back . And drake is back there too, who is on the board. Hes in the room and you can talk to him about it. Thank you. Azcdl. Org. Look for updates and legislation. Im going to basically use my skills as a writer to suggest a strategy. If somebody yells gun and youre the person carrying the gun, yell police because that has two meanings. One is that it implies you are a policeman. It also implies that youre calling for police. It might diffuse the situation and save lives. And our last question. Yes, sir. Im dr. Johnny dean from san antonio, texas. My question is in regards to gunfree zones. What strategy can we have to hold the owners of the gunfree zones accountable when they disarm us and then something bad happens . How do we put teeth into it, especially corporate entities that disarm us and they feel there is absolutely no negative side to it . Well, what we have to do is create negative sides to it. The best way with that is legislatively by putting teeth in the law that if you do that, you become liable to the person that becomes the victim. You have the liability now and the victim can sue you. The way the statute gets written it puts the burden of proof back on the victim. Then attorneys for the big corporations who want to take that position take a look at it and say, it is more risk for us to be a gunfree zone than not to be a gunfree zone. So it is really a legislative solution . I think the legislation empowers personal lawsuits by making the laws more in favor of the plaintiff. Thank you. Here in arizona twice now weve introduced the gunfree zone Liability Act, which says if a place disarms you that way with a make believe gunfree zone, in other words a sign on the wall and you are harmed by that sign, they bear liability for that if you are harmed. We havent gotten it enacted it yet, but we have introduced it twice. Weve modified the bill to improve it. The right to keep and bear arms is a specific enumerated right. Thats what it was called in the heller case. The idea they can just deny your civil rights is prohibited under 18 usc241 and 241. They think they can do with this impunity. Theres a conflict between private Property Rights and your right to keep and bear arms. In your home, you can deny a fat person, a woman, a gay and lesbian person, a gun owner, you can deny almost anybody to come into our home. But in a store, if you own a candy store, you can no