Jennifer it was just wrong. That is hybrid vigor that does not work. All right. Brett thank you so much for joining us. And thank you all for joining us here in the war room. Well see you back here on month. Go see a movie. [ theme music ] into welcome to the young turks. Osama bin laden was shot in the head. Should we release them . I dont know. Obama photos of someone being shot in the head floating around. Cenk let em go, let em go. And historic as usual, Global Warming all over the United States and now its costing business in mississippi. And then we have a person who is an activist for the dream act and then all of a sudden her mother gets picked up by the authorities. Get a look at this reaction. [ sobbing ] cenk shes going to be on the show today. And then finally here we go again, another republican talking about legitimate rape. It is true. We tell couples all the time who are having trouble consuming because of the woman not ovulating, just relax. Cenk now wait until you find out the number of women who get pregnant because of rape in america. Its a stunning number. This is a stunning show. Go time. [ music ] cenk all right we got some good news about afghanistan, and the good news is were leaving. President obama met with hamid karzai, the leader of afghanistan. The forces i have ordered to afghanistan have served with honor. Theyve completed their mission and as promised will return home. The transition is well under way, and soon nearly 90 of a begans will liveaafghans will live in areas where Afghan Forces have control of the security. By the end of next year, 2014, the transition will be complete. Afghans will have full responsibility for their security, and this war will come to a responsible end. Cenk that would be fantastic. Now, im not entirely confident of the Afghan Forces protecting afghanistan, but that is their business, not our business. It appears that problem president obama is going to expedite the number of troops we have leaving quicker, leaving in greater numbers, and when we hit 2014, when were supposed to leave only a few troops behind, it appears hes going to follow through on that. As with everyone in the government, i will believe it when i see it, but this is definitely good news today. We move to the issue of bin ladens picture. We did operation geronimo. I believe there is a movie about. Everyone knows we shot him. We shot him in the head. There are photos of bin laden dead, but they wont release them. Lets see where president why president obama wont release them. Why dont you release them . Obama we discussed this internally. Its important to make sure that Graphic Photos of someone being shot in the head floating around as an incitement to additional violence, a propaganda tool. Thats not who we are. Cenk but we killed him. That is who we are. He killed 3,000 people of our guys. We have every right. I think its ridiculous. In a rare agreement with john fitton. Listen to him on cnn. The law requires the release of this information and its more important to follow our laws that it gives access to information to what our government is doing than to say that were not going to allow the American People know what the government is doing because it will upset the terrorists. We should follow the law and blame the terrorist it is they do anything inappropriate. But we should not throw out the laws because the terrorists dont like the result as soon. Cenk i cant believe im going to say i agree. Three panel judges were asked they said they have not decided but it doesnt look good on initial looking into the case. Quote theyre telling us it is a risk that americans will die if we release these documents. When the government tells us that this is likely to lead to death, shouldnt we defer to that even more when they say that it will result in the release of secret information . No youre a judge. Your job is not to defer to the executive branch, if they say so, it must be true. This is how theyre keeping so many people secret from people theyre supposed to be representing. Thats us the American People. Lindsey moran a former agent with the Central Intelligence agency, and her book is called my life as a spy. First on releasing the pictures. What is your sense here . Did you get a sense that terrorists that we killed, were going to be attacked more or people in the field would be exposed to month danger . Certainly there is that possibility, that risk exists. But what i find ironic about this situation is the government claiming this is classified information and would put americans at risk. At the same time two hollywood filmmakers were given unprecedented access to the c. I. A. Basically made an an infomercial about c. I. A. Interrogation techniques. I think zero dark thirty is a very interesting movie but it has disturbing scenes of torturing detainees. Now i find it laughable that there is a sudden claim that documentary photos of bin laden are some how classified and the American Public doesnt have a right to see them. Cenk thats a great point. I want to talk about something now that you mentioned it. The terrorists are plenty. Im worried about the people in the middle who have not gone in either direction and have not decided to become terrorists. Are they more likely to become a terrorist if they see pictures of bin laden dead after they know hes already dead . I think if you watch zero dark thirty, again its not a documentary but its presented on almost as much, it might be upsetting for those in the middle who might have sympathy towards extremist groups. I think that will be more upsetting to them than these photos of bin laden. We know he was killed. We all know how he was killed. Theres no secret. Cenk then it leads to the drone strikes. To me, especially, and i like to distinguish here not all drone strikes are bad but especially when we do signature strikes when we dont know who were killing, i find that amazing. Weve done seven in two weeks. The most recent, 11 in pakistan. When we accidently kill the wrong people, arent their whole families and neighborhoods and communities much more likely to sign up to fight us . Doesnt that incite terrorism to fight against us a lot more than a picture would . Certainly. Im actually in favor of targeted drone strikes when theyre done right because the bottom line were fighting the bad guys. You cant be a human rights purist when youre in the business of intelligence or trying to take out terrorists. But there are definitely problems with the drone strikes and certainly this Collateral Damage with what we call Collateral Damage is to other people the loss of their families and their children, and that is going to create a lot more animosity toward the United States than the release of photos of either bin laden or his funeral you know, and ostensibly somber occasion and feel as the American Public we should seeif all that information was already released to two hollywood filmmakers you cant make the argument that we the American People cannot see that. Cenk i love it. Lindsay moran author, thank you for joining us. I appreciate it. Thanks. Cenk when we come back here we go again. Another republican congressman talking about how todd aiken the famous infamous legitimate rape comment might have actually been right. All that adrenaline company cause you not to ovulate. So he was partially right wasnt he. Like verse mortgage commercials . Those types are coming on to me all the time now. She gets the comedians laughing. Thats hilarious . And the thinkers thinking. Okay, so theres wiggleroom in the Ten Commandments is what youre telling me. You would rather deal with ahmadinejad then me. Absolutely and so would mitt romeny. Shes joy behar. And the best part is that current will let me say anything. What the hell were they thinking . Only on current tv. [ theme music ] cenk welcome back to the young turks. We have some interesting topics for you. We have the rowdy crowd here, ana kasparian, Michael ShureJayar Jackson and hemela, its great to have you here. Thank you. Do you remember when todd aiken said that women who are raped cant get pregnant because the body shuts itself down. Former congressman. Yes. Now there is a representative in georgia who said its only partially fault. Hes partly right. Im an obgyn doctor, ive been an obyn doctor for a long time. Its partially true. We tell couples all the time where the woman is having a hard time conceiving, because theyre not ovulating. We tell them just relax dont be so tense and up tight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to off late. Cenk now is there something to adrenaline will cause women not to ovulate. All women are different. There are women who want so much to conceive that, they will stress so much about it, that they will be unable to ovulate. In each year there are 32,000 pregnancies caused by rape every year. How could an obgyn not realize that it not only can happen but happens all the time and it is more likely to happen michael, on the politics of this how dumb do you have to be to bring this back up. How could someone be such a moran as to ever align them ever with todd aiken. Even if you want to say what he said dont say todd aiken was partly right. Dont ever do that. Its a political lesson. I has done stupid things before. He has criticized Rush Limbaugh and then went on Rush Limbaughs show and went on his show to apologize because we owe so much to him. To put the onous on the victim not the rapist. Whether or not there is a nuggetsest of what theyre saying that may be 20 true. Cenk i would not put it higher than 2 . Where the stress can affect the ovulation. It doesnt determine whether a woman was raped or not. Itit for people who want to put it on the woman who say she got pregnant when theyre raped, and if she got pregnant she must have been relaxed and she must have wanted. Cenk why the hell are you saying it . Its putting it on the victim. And if your name starts with gingra at all, its disaster. Cenk lets move on to the next one. Its hard to imagine that aurora shooter james holmes would have any admirers, but of course there are twisted people on the planet who think hes not a bad guy. One of them is 30yearold Missy Benjamin and said she had a crush on him and created a Facebook Page that says compassion for all including james holmes, and it has 22 likes. Can you imagine even one person . 22 blows my mind. Missy benjamin said the following. When i first saw him i was physically attracted to him. I thought oh crap, i think hes cute. It seems crazy but im not crazy crazy. Cenk wrong again, bob, i think she might be crazy. She might have some issues. If her attraction to james holmes is weird but irrelevant, it doesnt mean that hes a good guy. It seems weird to be reaching out for love in all the wrong places. It happens all the time, sympathy for the devil. I do have a smidge of compassion for james holmes. Cenk wow youre outlibbing us. I think hes mentally ill. It has not been determined yet but if a person is a victim of what is going on in their head, and he must not be a rational person, and i dont have a lot of hate for him. But youre not talking like, when i saw him i was physically attracted to him. No. Cenk im not saying torture the guy or solitary confinement but im saying life without parole. She says even after everything i heard i can still say i can support this human being. Hes not an animal. I dont think hes a bad guy. What he did was bad. Cenk no, no, no. You shoplift somewhere, i dont necessarily think youre a bad guy. You did something wrong and you can get beyond that. Thats a mistake you can recover from. Shooting and killing 12 people, it does mean that youre a bad guy. Booby trapping your own apartment so when investigators came there, they too, would be killed. That transcends that level like cenk was saying, with shoplifters. You want to analyze where his brain went to. I think as far as the mentally ill thing to an extent, but it its how people grew up, what they were told was right. Whatever his brain did with it is what it did with it. Rather than saying hes mentally ill, we got to put him in a padded room, there is a way with how we do it. Cenk thats rational. We should figure it out for the future. But at the same time i would like it put him in the padded room for the rest of his life so he doesnt do it again. He has already done it. Its over. You dont kill 12 people and then have a conversation about it. Look people like misty and i know im analyzing from afar, but a lot of times when women who reach out the women who marry men in jail, etc. They like a captive audience. They like they can get his full attention. A lot of people think hes monster. They show a lot of love and they get a little love back. Its sad and thats part what have is happening, what is next. The Oxygen Network is coming out with a new reality show. Its is entitled my babys mamas. Whats his name . Shody lowe. Shoddy lowe. You might be familiar with him. Im not sure i know his name. Hes the guy who did laffey taffy. So weve got a clip . Yes we do. Lets take a look at it. He might be a rapper, but here in atlanta hes known for having 11 kids. We have angela. Aka chocolate. Shes the fighter baby mama. Tamara shes no drama baby mama. There is serena and liana aka pebbles. I have all these baby mamas. So understandably some dont like this reality show. Theyve changed to change dot organize so this doesnt air. The Oxygen Network has taken that trailer down from their website. In fact, we were able to obtain that trailer from lovely tease blog. So i dont know, maybe this petition is going to work. Maybe theyre going to take it down. Cenk they have done terrific work. Theyre the guys who took all the glenn becks sponsors away. When color change comes for you you might be in trouble. Thoughts guys. Despicable show . Are they right . Call me jaded i dont think its worse than anything else on tv right now. You have basketball wives. Honey boo boo, you have jersey shore that go along with stereotypes of ethnicity. I dont know what about this show is so bad that its making people come out in masses. No one is not being hired because their kid kid was not in a pageant show. Or theyre fighting on tv. New york jersey, atlanta, all of these. There is a level of respect, and level of stereotype. There is the grimy, and the semi. This keeps people thinking, this is the only black person ive seen in my life, because there are plenty of people who have never seen a black person in real life. Thats what theyre like. When they come across one i think he might have a ten different baby mamas. I saw shody lowe. Theyre actors, and ignorant people dont know it. And then we have the same fight every day we have to prove that everyone else isnt like this rapper actor who is on tv. I actually agree with jayar. I think a lot of these reality shows. Its not just this show that i have a problem with. First of all, its our entire culture. Obviously people love these shows. Which is why they get high enough ratings to get renewed season after season. There is a cultural issue we have to address. But at the same time a lot of these chose exploit people who are in bad financial situations just like the family in here comes honey boo boo. Theyre very poor, they put their entire lives on display and the country makes fun of them. Thats what these shows are about. Cenk jayar has a point. When you see jersey shore nobody thinks thats how all italians are. It doesnt matter if they are harmful. No one is out hating the goombas of jersey. But when you have a stereotype being played out then it becomes dangerous and it has to be held to a different bar. And it perpetuates in the mind of younger black kids that this is how their lives have to be. This is glamorous. You have 11 kid by 10 baby mama mamas. Everybody is buying into it. It may make it hard for pebbles to get work later. Cenk i hear you guys. But one last thing. Its weird if you only leave out blacks because you do have the honey boo boos, the italians, all these people. The only group you cant do a goofy reality show about. Dont we often have that whole discussion like the hunger games. Like the working class is fighting one another as opposed to fighting the higher ups. This is kind of an example of that. Its a nice distraction for people that are working all day. Theyre tired. I buy into it. Im not trying to cenk i watch jersey shore. Sometimes i watch boards whatever is on. Its a distraction, and may be a way for people who dont make as much money or have the same level of education as you and it makes you feel better. We cant regulate. We can fight back but. Were not trying to fight back, just dont support it. Cenk a young woman who is fighting begins the dream act has her mother grabbed by ice. And they arrest her. Its a harrowing story. Well talk about it when we return. [ sobbing ] this is happening to families everywhere. Cenk were back here on the young turks. Erika andiola is the activist for the dream act. Thats for young people who were brought into this country without documents but not because of anything they did. Will they be allowed to stay longer. President obama, if you remember, took executive action that does allow them to stay, but it does not cover their pan. Recently erikas mother was seized and she showed that on youtube. They took her for no reason. [ sobbing ] they asked me if my brother was related to me. I said yes hes my brother. They just took him. They just took him. They didnt want to tell me why. They said they needed to go because they were here illegally, that they shouldnt be here. This needs to stop. We need to do something. We need to stop separating families. This is unreal. Cenk so there is some dispute as to why they seized her mother, well get to that in a minute but i want to share some numbers for you. A record 410,000 people have been deported in 2012 alone. As president obama takes some executive action and reaches out to latinos he does continue to reach out and throw them out of the country. Now, these are undocumented immigrants. Keep that in mind to be fair. Now spending for ice thats immigration and Customs Enforcement is 18 billion. Thats what it was in 2012. Thats more than all federal Law Enforcement agencies combined. Which is a stunning fact. Why are we spending this amount of resources to do this . Its weird especially when you consider the politics of it. Well discuss that in a second. Now