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Reagan raised taxes 11. Dont forget those numbers. This is viewpoint. John good evening im john fuglesang. This is viewpoint. Thank you so much for joining us this evening. The Republican House finally began tackling the immigration issue this week with a closed door meeting wednesday where the senates comprehensive bill was overwhelmingly rejected. We are not going to do the senate bill. Our committees are going to continue their work on a step by step common sense approach to fixing the problems in our immigration system. John a common sense approach that reportedly leaves out a pathway to citizenship for some 11 million undocumented immigrants, apparently rejecting the will of an overwhelming majority of american voters. You see according to the latest gallup poll, 88 of adults support allowing immigrants in the country illegally an opportunity to become citizens. That includes 92 of selfprofessed moderates 91 of liberals and 83 of conservatives. Now, after meeting with president obama at the white house today senators john mccain and Charles Schumer members of the gang of eight who helped craft the senate bill insisted they were encouraged that the house had finally begun to at least work on the issue. There is an acknowledgement no matter where we stand on the solution that this is a problem that demands addressing. Second, it is realized in the house that they have to work with democrats in the house to pass anything. There are enough republicans who will just vote no on anything that this has to be a bipartisan effort in the house. John but of course, any bipartisan effort will have to contend with Tea Party Favorites like minnesota congresswoman Michele Bachmann who reject a pathway to citizenship any time soon. The only thing were spreading right now is to actually build a fence. We want the border secured first then well have step two. Well have the conversation about what were going to do. John thats a conversation that will likely come too late for many voters who see intolerance in the g. O. P. s dismissal of 11 million undocumented immigrants who are already here and want to become citizens of the country where they live and work. And they want to pay taxes too. Now, it is already too late for my first guest. Pablo is an iraq war vet rand the former Republican National Committee State director for florida hispanic outreach. A year ago, he was working to help elect mitt romney. Today, hes a democrat. Welcome to viewpoint. What a pleasure to have you. Thank you, i appreciate it. Im glad to be here. John were glad to have you. Now, you made a big splash with your announcement last year. But i want to go back before that and ask what originally sir, attracted you to the Republican Party . Well, theres definitely certain things that are attractive in the Republican Party. Were look at issues of businesses entrepreneurs and also things like freedom personal freedoms and those are issues that are really important and i saw that they were they were part of the republican platform at that point. John okay. Well, a year ago, you said that florida hispanics were going to realize that the g. O. P. Was where they belonged. Sir, what changed your mind on that . Well, i think thats you know unfortunately they came out with an autopsy report recently stating some of the worst things that have happened with the g. O. P. In recent times and after that report came out its only gotten worse. Republican party today is saying is to hispanics and latinos is mi casa estu casa. Thats a difficult thing for us, hispanics and latinos to accept the issues that affect our community are not going to be looked at by the Republican Party. John i think youre right. The autopsy report you refer to, of course, was commissioned by Reince Priebus after last years election and it called for many changes including much more inclusive policies toward minorities. Which seems to be a very forwardthinking idea for the g. O. P. But as you pointed out that, doesnt seem to be happening, at least not in the house. Why not sir . Well, and you know what . The interesting part is even though Immigration Reform passed in the senate, you still are looking at 32 republicans that voted against it. And there was a very there was a minute or the of republicans that actually had to be nearly pushed into supporting Something Like that. Or anything that had to deal with immigration. Right now what were look at in the house is unfortunately Immigration Reform, if we dont do something about it, its going to die a slow death. John i think youre right. Im sure you would agree with me that building a fence isnt going to solve any part of this problem. The g. O. P. Knows fully well theyre going to need a majority of latino voters to ever get the white house again in any national election. Does it seem like the g. O. P. , sir, at this point, it is just at war with themselveses . Theyre so we shouldnt only look at issues film that are going to affect the anglo community, for example. Weve got people like phyllis, a conservative leader saying forget about latino voters, hispanics. We can get elected without them. Unfortunately, she may be partly right in the sense that republican districts are becoming wider as they progress in time. So there are some issues that we definitely need to look at and the Republican Party is definitely pushing away anything that has to do with hispanics today. John while it is nice to see phyllis branching out from the near gay hate i grew up knowing her for i think youre right, sir. Let me ask you this, why become a democrat, why not become an independent . What attracted you to the Democratic Party . Sure, i thought about it. When i made my decision, i thought about why not be an independent. I think weve got a great gift in america the gift of being able to associate yourself politically with a Political Party and thats something that thats a great thing we have in this country. And i think the best way was to be part of a Political Party as opposed to being independent. So i also see that in todays Democratic Party issues of human rights and issues that matter to the Hispanic Community and to everyone in general are more at the forefront of what theyre trying to accomplish. And so i saw that theres also a bigger tent. You know, recently, i went to a gathering of Florida Democrats and it was palpable, you could tell it was a more Diverse Group and the Democratic Party. Definitely even though not everyone mays gree with each other on 100 of the things, there was a willingness to be able to listen to Different Things and different ideas and options. New options and new things. I was also very welcomed. John we were talking on the show last night about how ann coulter believes Immigration Reform meant citizens will de facto vote democratic. Thats the logic behind many republicans opposing the legislation. However, a lot of older latinos as you and i both know are catholic and may be drawn to the g. O. P. With conservative views on abortion and marriage equality. We need to stop wont looking at this like how are they going to vote. If they vote democratic, so what. What were looking at is 11 million undocumented human beings that are in the United States today that are living in the shadows that are not being afforded the same opportunities that were all being afforded in the United States. You know, recently, weve got governor rick scott who vetoed drivers license for dreamers here in florida. Why do we have to make it harder for human beings that are trying to achieve the American Dream. I mean these are people who are living in the shadows. We need to do something about these human beings here in the United States. John well, i think thats very well said sir. But i have to ask what kind of response did you get from your former republican colleagues when you switched parties . Well, look, not everybody was happy. There were some that had some nasty things to say. But i have to say there were also some that said that they respected my position and those that knew me, knew that i meant it and knew where i stood and what i stand for and they were fine with it. And so some others you know, in privacy you know, talked about how you know, they said you know, youve said something that ive never been able to say before. That youve been able to say what ive been thinking and i havent been able to say. So there are others that think the same way but havent gotten around to maybe expressing it like i did. John i find that fascinating. Why do you think those particular latino republican colleagues are still staying with the party . Like i said, there were some issues that perhaps even in the Democratic Party we need to make more attractive in terms of the entrepreneurial spirit that the Hispanic Community has. And just like i thought when i joined the Republican Party back in those days, that it may have been a better venue. You know we need to let the Hispanic Community know that thats also part of being a democrat. The American Dream is also achievable in the Democratic Party. So regardless of what party youre in, you can do that in both. And for hispanics who are still under the Republican Party there are some who might be in positions that they may not be able to afford the same thing that i did which was go ahead and take a stand. They have their own personal issues and so and reasons to do so and to stay in the Republican Party. So, you know, ill respect those but i hope that theyre able to see that right now republicans are making it harder for hispanics and right now republicans are not looking at those 11 million undocumented immigrants that are human beings that are in this country. John we all know tons of republicans who are very open mind and get along great with minorities. Would you say that intolerance toward minorities generally is one of the bigger problems the g. O. P. Has right now . Well, definitely there is a culture of intolerance like i said before. Weve seen a lot of examples more recently at a gathering of republican voters, you know, our republican congressman dissent told some nasty things and was told why dont you learn some english. Obviously the congressman knows english. Weve got other people that are saying some things that i dont even want to repeat on camera that are hurtful for hispanics and latinos, you know, senator rubio has been chastised for his hispanic heritage. They make pins and buttons with mexican hats which i dont think it is an insult. If he was mexican he should be proud of it, of mexican heritage but he is of cuban heritage and what theyre trying to say is that you know, because he is hispanic that he is less of a human being in some way. So theres a lot of issues like that that are permeating the republican voter base right now. John so, what do you think its going to take for the party of lincoln in this century to move beyond ignorance like the stuff you described and intolerant policies and attitudes that seem to flow directly from its base . You ever see them cutting the bigots loose . For the sake of everyone in america, something needs to happen and i dont see them moving in the correct direction and the proof is in the pudding. Right now the house is not going to look at an immigration bill and if they look at it, they may blindly look at it. So well see what the future holds but right now it is just not looking very good. And thats unfortunate because thats actually going to hurt, you know, Diverse Communities that we have in our country. So i hope that somehow theyre able to realize what theyve done wrong and actually do something but again, lets go back to the autopsy report. It was completely laid out. It was completely explained on how important it is to look at these issues and its just gone by the wayside. John i agree. It was very well written. It is not often i compliment Reince Priebus that much. Sir, should president obama sign any immigration bill if it doesnt include a pathway to citizenship . Well, you know what, thats something that well have to see. I think he definitely is going to have to push a lot harder for Immigration Reform. You know, sometimes the policy and all of the ins and outs, theyre lost in translation. But i think you know, hes being a little bit held hostage by the house g. O. P. Weve got someone like Speaker John Boehner whos saying we want obama to kind of remain on the edge of the issue so that way, republican congresspeople dont feel pressured. And so its a really its a dicey situation. It is a thin line hes walking. I think that for the sake of those 11 million undocumented immigrants and all of those in america and other immigrants in other families that hes definitely going to have to sign something thats positive and helpful for the human beings. John iraq veteran Pablo Pantoja for florida hispanic outreach, now a democrat and a wellspoken one at that. I wish you the best. Thanks for coming on viewpoint. I appreciate it. Thank you. John up next, is there prejudice against the employment nondiscrimination act in the senate . Yes. Stick around. Cenk off air alright in 15 minutes were going to do the young turks i think the number 1 thing than viewers like about the young turks is that were honest. They know that im not bsing them for some hidden agenda, actually supporting one party or the other. When the democrats are wrong, they know im going to be the first one to call them out. Cenk on air whats unacceptable is how washington continues to screw the middle class over. Cenk off air i dont want the middle class taking the brunt of the spending cuts and all the different programs that wind up hurting the middle class. Cenk on air you got to go to the local level, the state level and we have to fight hard to make sure they cant buy our politics anymore. Cenk off air and they can question if im right about that. But i think the audience gets that, i actually mean it. Cenk on air 3 trillion dollars in spending cuts narrator uniquely progressive and always topical the Worlds Largest online news show is on current tv. Cenk off air and i think the audience gets, this guys to best of his abilities is trying to look out for us. Only on current tv john welcome back. This week, the u. S. Senate took another small step toward joining the rest of us in the 21st century. The employment nondiscrimination act or enda, made it out of the Senate Committee on health education, labor and pensions. Now, enda, as you brilliant viewers know bans workplace bias based on Sexual Orientation and gender identity. It passed by a 157 vote. Thank you three forwardthinking republicans who care about the future of this country and your party. The question is will this bill become a law . Let schoolhouse rock this with tico almeida. He worked on it as the lead counsel as it madity way through the house. Hes also the founder and president of freedom to work. Thats a national lgbt group you all should know about dedicated to shielding all americans from harassment or discrimination in the workplace. He joins us live from washington, d. C. How are you . Doing fantastic, thanks john. John lets get started. What specific protections does this current version of enda offer americans . It says that in a private sector employer, you cant fire people because theyre gay you cant refuse to hire them because theyre lesbian you cant deny them a promotion because theyre transgender you cant pay them unequally because theyre bisexual. Pay them based on their skills and resume and not who you are or who you love. Its common sense. Its consistent with the American Values of hard work and getting ahead based on your own skills and its long pastime that it became law. John i can hear rand paul gnashing his teeth right now. Hes the senator who famously said on rachels show that private employers should have the freedom and liberty to discriminate if thats who they want in a free society. How do you respond to that wonderful libertarian argument, tico . Rand paul was a noshow on wednesday. John really . Rand paul is on the committee. Rand paul submitted an amendment that would have blown an enormous gaping hole into this civil rights law and into all of our civil rights laws and we spent a bunch of hours on tuesday night researching the opposition to that amendment. We were prepared with good arguments about how rand paul was trying to create a dramatic departure from decades of american law. Then rand paul did not show up and did not offer his amendment. The opposition was literally a no show. John i think thats because rand paul spefnt tuesday night researching how much his righthand man loves john wibles booth. What compromises had to be made to the enda bill before it got out of this committee . It doesnt apply to Small Businesses. Thats the same Small Business exemption that has applied for decades in all of our civil rights. So if you were a mom and pop that has a few employees, none of our civil rights laws apply to you. We hope that American Business owners who have two or three employees will hire people based on their talents. Thats whats best for their business and profit. But our civil rights laws dont apply to Small Businesses. Thats the same where this law. The other big exemption is for religious employers. So if the Catholic Church doesnt want to have lesbian nuns, they dont have to have lesbian nuns. If a baptist soup kitchen or a Catholic School or other religious nonprofits want to make hiring decisions based on their tenants of their faith theyre allowed to do so. That, i think actually is an appropriate step to take to protect religious freedom in addition to the lgbt freedom to work. There is a good balance there. It makes it a bipartisan bill. Its why senator orrin hatch of utah could vote for it and why well get to 60 or 70 votes this fall when it comes to a vote of the full senate. John if the Catholic Church wants to reduce their potential hiring pool more, they should have the right to. As we pointed out on this show many times there is nothing in the bible that lets you discriminate against lesbians. As you know, tico, White House Press secretary jay carney was pressed today and you know what im going to say, on why the president doesnt just sign an executive order as enda is make its way through congress. Take a look. Best path forward was through comprehensive more comprehensive legislation. And that is the path weve been on and which we believe has helped achieve the passage with bipartisan support through the committee today. John he seemed to really enjoy answering that. Is this really the best way forward, tico, considering the risk of this thing might get mugged along the way . Poor jay has been answering the same question for about five years. Because five years ago president obama made a written Campaign Promise to the gay community, he told us that as president , he would sign an executive order that saves taxpayer money by making sure the best qualified workers get jobs as federal contractors. He has not yet fulfilled that Campaign Promise and poor jay had to justify that for five years. Hes getting tired and hes floundering as he does it. Ive got to say that the Obama White House has been m. I. A. On the employment nondiscrimination act. They have not done enough, they have not pushed for it. About a few minutes after the vote, i got i checked my phone and i had an email from one of my contacts in the white house and they sent out a press statement, an email celebrating the win. And that was i thought to myself, this is the least they could do. This is literally the least they could do. And theyve done nothing more. There is no evidence that theyre lobbying the hold out senators like florida and virginia and mr. Pryor of arkansas. They should be on this bill. Theyre not and theres no evidence that the president has picked up his phone to call them. And once hes done picking up the phone and calling those three senators, it is time for him him to pick up his pen and fulfill the Campaign Promise. This thing polled at 70 or 80 . It pulls with the majority of evangelical support. All of americas best and biggest businesses, the best and biggest contractors like dinecore lockheed martin. These are not hippies that run these businesses. These are businessmen who make military machinery. And the best of those companies have adopted lgbt workplace policy because it is the right thing to do. Also because it is good for business. President obama should follow the lead with corporate america. He should follow the lead of the American People who have totally accepted the gay rights movement. There is nothing to be afraid of. Its time to sign. John i hope he heard it because im sure the white house still gets current. Tico, what are the odds of this thing making it through the house and becoming law . Well start a discharge petition that allows you to get a bill stuck in committee out of committee when 218 members sign that petition. Its going to be a long slog. It will be a tough site. Weve got some shot at it this year. It will help when we wrack up an enormous win in the senate with more than 60 votes possibly around 70. This will be huge when we win. John tico almeida, thank you for joining us. Thank you. John okay. The only thing crazier than some of the tea partiers you know are some of the elected tea partiers you know. My producer just coughed up a hairball. Sorry. Just be grateful current tv doesnt come in smellovision oh come on the sweatshirt is nice and all but i could use a golden lasso. vo only on current tv. vo later tonight current tv is the place for compelling true stories. Jack, how old are you . Nine. This is what 27 tons of marijuana looks like. vo with Award Winning documentaries that take you inside the headlines, way inside. vo from the underworld, to the world of privilege. Everyone in Michael Jacksons life was out to use him. vo no one brings you more documentaries that are real, gripping, current. John we conclude our wtf wyoming week with a look at cindy hill, a tea partier elected as head of the wyoming department of education who allegedly engaged in cultlike practices, made workers cry and threatened employees with a knife. When asked to comment on this, tea Party Officials apologized for not making cindy hill their woman of the year. You see according to a 18 5page report, the regime had a better Human Resources office than her office. What if her worker said he preferred to being in combat than work for ms. Hill. He wished someone would send someone to find hill. The only problem is while hill wouldnt be crazy about the exterminate part as a tea partier, she has no problem with the extreme prejudice. Martin sheen was busy. The report accuses hill, that was an apocalypse joke. At first i thought big deal, brainwashing. No surprise she would make her employees watch fox. It furnitures out she had her staff it turns out she had her staff hold hands and squeeze each other as a sign they trusted her. The meeting was called by some very culty but hill responded by saying thats ridiculous and i will smite those that betray the church of cindy. I made that up. But wtf wyoming the tea party is a fact of our political life. We should encourage them to participate in our democratic process and run for office but for gods sake, dont elect them very, very excited about that and very proud of that. Beltway politics from inside the loop. We tackle the big issues here in our nations capital, around the country and around the globe. Dc columnist and four time emmy winner bill press opens currents morning news block. Well do our best to carry the flag from 6 to 9 every morning. John today, were going to look at minimum wage. Currently, its at 7. 25 but some conservatives feel the minimum wage doesnt help anyone. Conservative mogul millionaire at birth worth about 43 billion, charles koch, said recently. John which sounds good besides the fact that it makes no sense. Basically, mr. Koch is saying instead of raising the minimum wage, lets throw it out altogether and allow us to help workers by paying them even less than they can get paid right now by law. Joining me to discuss the minimum wage and dickens weeping in his crypt is professor and publisher, karen hunter. Blogger at redgirlsalon. Com coming back to the show, the wonderful Dee Dee Benkie. News director of Tea Party News network, recently named one of the top 20 hottest conservative women in new media by right wing news. Only because of this show. John my exwife scottie nelson. Welcome to the lovefest, everyone. We have a democrat, a republican a tea partier and im confused. So let me ask you all first for your thoughts on mr. Kochs idea of anolishing the minimum wage. It is ridiculous. If he wants to help poor people, he can give up some of his 31 billion. John 43 billion. He and his brother are number four. The richest people in america. They can give up of some of the money. He can spread his wealth and make sure that everyone is eating. John whats your take, dee dee. Do you think abolish the minimum wage is a good idea . If youre going to do a good job, youre going to get paid well. I dont like the idea of a minimum wage. I think billionaires have no right to talk about this frankly. John i think youre right. They have no idea what theyre talking about. However, if you do a good job youll get paid. I dont agree with you. John lots of poor folks who do great jobs but still get paid crap. Go to another job. John scottie, how do you feel about the idea of a minimum wage . I think it completely needs to be an be olished. Especially in the economy today. People are sitting here theyre actually working hard to make sure Small Business does not succeed. This is just another you raise this to 10 or whatever the current living wage might be how are Small Businesses going to survive . Theyll close their doors and guess what, less jobs, more people will rely on the government. It is a hamster wheel that unfortunately minimum wage will penalize the Business Owner who also is getting hit with obamacare, is getting hit with having to pay sick days in new york. All sorts of great things that do not promote a strong economy. John before i let karen respond, there is a doubleedged sword. Folks may earn enough to qualify for subsidies but if the rate goes up slightly, they lose benefits. A realistic solution would be to not rely on the goodwill of Business Owner to pay what people deserve to make. I dont agree with you that people are going to get paid if they do a good job. I think if folks will, allowed to, pay as little as they can. Weve seen it with outsourcing. If they can go to china or india and get the same amount of work for 1, theyll do that. This country was built on the notion you can come from nothing and build yourself up to something. That dream has dissipated completely. And now were in a place where were expecting wealthy Business Owners to do the right thing and they simply arent going to. Thats not your problem. No, no no. Move on. To where though . Where are the jobs . Oh, youre nothing. It is capitalism. John dee dee, you can acknowledge it is pretty much impossible for a single mom whos guy has taken off to raise a child on minimum wage for 18,000 a year. Find a job. Where . Were a disservice nation. Theyre rich right now. Theyre doing much better than we are. You find a job, you work hard. You do one two and three jobs so it be but it is not for employers to say okay, were going to take care of you. You find an employer that works for you and if it doesnt, move on to another one. John in a democracy we the people have a right to create a safety net that makes sure workers arent exploited. No, we do not. Tell me an example when the government gets involved, it actually helps the situation. John the g. I. Bill, the national highway plan. The g. I. Bill that is starting to be repealed because now of the sequester. Army militants having to go on furlough while our president is going for 100 Million Dollar trip to africa. John we asked our viewers to ask us what they felt the minimum wage should be. Elizabeth warren pointed out astutely it should have gone 1960, the minimum wage should go up to the same and the minimum wage now should be about 20 an hour. One of our viewers responded. Whos lazy . John one at a time. I feel like im on the view. I think it is riddick throws throw out that notion. There was a time john wait. Thanks to the republicans, we dont have unions that used to allow people to make a living wage. There used to be a time when a woman could stay home and take care of her children and a man could work and people go to school and not have to be indebted for the next 100 years with 70,000 80,000 of student loans. There used to be a time when people could live. That doesnt exist anymore. There was a time when obama didnt put up 17 trillion in debt. John scottie youre making things up. Im going to take over again. Youre making things up. Since the Reagan Administration now, were going to get back to blaming reagan. John hang on. We all can acknowledge hang on. Bill clinton deserves a lot of blame, too. During the 30year period, the rich have gotten richer and the poor has gotten poorer and the middle class are growing smaller. We can all acknowledge one of the problems in society is not uneven income. Every free society has uneven income but uneven Income Growth over the past 30 years has been a problem. Can we agree on that . Absolutely. But what causes it . Hes brilliant. Lets take walmart. So you have in the top ten walmart, the four number six number seven number eight number nine richest people in the world. Let me finish. So theyre paying people roughly 8 minimum wage. They come into a community. They get subsidies. Theyre not promoting people. Theyre not giving benefits. I could work at fedex parttime and get benefits and have a life for myself working parttime at fedex. John before you respond i have to go to break. In wisconsin over at walmart one store of 300 employees because of the wages so low people have had to require so much supplemental assistance because they cant feed their family, it is costing the taxpayers 1. 7 million in Public Benefits every year because walmart isnt paying a living wage. Well go to break. Well have a much more calm discussion much less controversial subject. Of course, im talking about abortion. Compelling true stories. Jack, how old are you . Nine. This is what 27 tons of marijuana looks like. vo with Award Winning documentaries that take you inside the headlines, way inside. vo from the underworld, to the world of privilege. Everyone in Michael Jacksons life was out to use him. vo no one brings you more documentaries that are real, gripping, current. This show is about analyzing criticizing, and holding policy to the fire. Are you encouraged by what you heard the president say the other night . Is this personal, or is it political . A lot of my work happens by doing the things that im given touch with everything that is going on politically and putting my own nuance on it. In reality its not like they actually care. This is purely about political grandstanding. Ive worn lots of hats, but ive always kept this going. Ive been doing politics now for a dozen years. vo hes been called the epic politics man. Hes Michael Shure and his arena is the war room. These republicans in congress that think the world ends at the Atlantic Ocean border and Pacific Ocean border. The bloggers and the people that are sort of compiling the best of the day. I do a lot of looking at those people as well. Not only does senator rubio just care about rich people, but somehow he thinks raising the minimum wage is a bad idea for the middle class. But we do care about them right . Jon the war on womens reproductive rights are gearing. From texas where the house approved the antiabortion rights bill that wendy davis filibustered to defeat to ohio where kasich signed the antiabortion measures which many think would close most abortion clinics in the state to new york where they tried to sneak it into a Motorcycle Safety law. The legislators are busy but are they doing the peoples work or are they trolling for conservative votes and donations . To discuss what the American People want, what theyre actually getting from their representatives, im pleased to be joined by a really brilliant panel. Karen hunter, Dee Dee Benkie and scottie nell hughes. Last december, a gallup poll found 27 of americans believed americans should be legal in the second trimester. Thats five months. Most people would agree okay, i can see that limitation. Lets start with the first poll in september. Are we surprised only 27 of americans believe abortion should be legal in the second trimester or the 20 week span . Im not surprised. This generation has really had has not had to really debate this issue. It has been settled. Thats fair. For 40 years. I dont know why were back here. So it is not really on their radar. A young lady or old lady well, she still has she can get an abortion now and not have a problem so it is not that much of an issue as say gay marriage or something else. John what do you think dee dee . Deep in the heart of texas it is a little different than new york or perhaps connecticut. John why is that . More conservative. They dont like it. It shows. Thats why theyre pushening. Thats why theres been a lot of pushback with wendy davis and her pink tennis shoes. John in fairness that, protest is more about the fact that that bill will close most of the Womens Health clinics in the state. Remember, we had you know, the butcher. It is on peoples minds right now. That was really terrible. So i dont think it is a problem for people to be thinking about it right now. In texas, it is very conservative. It is the bible belt. John scottie is this a pressing debate . Are there that many women who say im five months pregnant, i change my mind now. Putting this law in action in texas will shut down so many clinics, there are more people having the abortions than what were giving them credit for. That being said, what john they want to close the clinics. I dont think theres a lot of people having abortions in the fifth month. Heres whats amazing about all of this. Were sitting here looking down in florida. Were look at the trayvon case all of the media hoopla over one person being dead. Youre looking at the gosnell case eight babies at least were killed. Murdered. Where is all of the john the difference is everyone knew gosnell would go away. He might go away but there will be no difference. Theres not going to be if he would have been set free, you are not going to see riots. Can we all agree thats an anomaly. That doesnt happen every day in america that a doctor i agree with you. John one at a time. What he did is and an om louse situation. No. Because were fighting this all over the country. There was another one yesterday. John ladies, lets agree on one thing if rowe vs. Wade gets overturned, abortion is not going away. Always been around, it will always be around, right . Yes. John okay. I agree. If roe v. Wade is overturned, women will still have abortions they wont be safe and legal. Would you agree . Yes but we wont be promoting an environment that encourages abortion. Thats what were doing right now. We have babies dying women will be dying. Were encouraging right now that hey abortion is a type of Birth Control. Therefore, go have sex go have promiscuous sex, go get pregnant outside of wedlock. Make a mistake . Have an abortion. Last year, planned parenthood had the largest number of abortions ever counted in life. There is a reason why. John i think were generalizing a little bit. Most women dont do it as Birth Control. If anybody on this panel has had an abortion, no one goes in skipping la la la, singing dixie. It is not a situation where people are happy to do it. No one is for killing babies. People make the decisions and they live with them for the rest of their lives so for us to debate whether or not people are using it as Birth Control when i think thats a very minute. Make the choice to have sex. It is not like the baby miraculously came into your stomach. John not always. Thats a big point of contention. It is still a baby. I dont care if it is by incest or rape. Everyone who wants to have a baby or wants toen have. Bortion, you can send your babies to scottie because she feels gracious about babies. Let her take care of them. John i would like to ask that question. We dont have an abortion problem, we have an unwanted pregnancy problem. You would see this be what bill clinton said safe, legal and rare. You support the repeaceful roe v. Wade. Do you as well, dee dee . I think early on, if you get to five months john you dont support the repeal of roe v. Wade . No. Lets say abortion becomes illegal. If a woman is raped and she goes to a doctor and the doctor terminates the pregnancy please tell me who deserves the longest jail sentence, the rapist, the doctor or the woman in order. Heres the question. John no, im answering that. If it is medically needed to have the abortion. John no. She doesnt want to raise the child. Did the doctor ask her before she did it. John yep and the docketter did it as doctors will do if roe v. Wade is overturned. Poor women will go to more gosnells. Who deserves the longest jail sentence . Across the board. John all three of them. Wow. Because heres the problem. If obviously there is grace. Heres the problem. Apparently not. Because it is a baby to us. Thats the difference. Those of us who are christians who believe that life begins at conception. Life begins at conception. John not in the bible. Thats my argument. Dee dee . Being in the middle here apparently, we dont know. For us to be judgmental of these women, we dont know what situation theyre in. It is a difficult thing about killing babies. Then gets to five months, it is terrible. John i think we can all agree thats a valid argument. The question is whats the timeframe . Heres the question. Planned parenthood does not want from what ive told, they would like to do abortions up to the day why is that . Thats not promoting. We can stay here john i gotta wrap. I gotta go to something more important of this because if hearing more of Justin Bieber is on your bucket list, stick around for the f bomb. No, they said make us a turkey and make it fast. laughter . She gets the comedians laughing. Thats the best thats hilarious. And the thinkers thinking. Okay, so there is wiggle room in the Ten Commandments is what youre telling me. Ya, i consider you jewtalian. Okay, whatever you want. Who plays kafka . Who saw kafka . Who ever saw kafka . laughter . Asking the tough questions. Chris brown, i mean you wouldnt let one of your daughters go out with him. Absolutely not. You would rather deal with ahmadinejad then me . Absolutely singing i take lipitor, thats it. Are you improving your lips . laughter . When shes talking, you never know where the conversation is going to go. It looks like Anthony Wiener is throwing his hat in the ring. His what in the ring . His hat. Always outspoken, joy behar. And the best part is that current will let me say anything. What the hell were they thinking . Only on current tv. John as you know, we cover lots of issues on viewpoint, egypt, syria unequal Income Growth but tonight i want to talk about something thats actually important and thats Justin Bieber. Yes, the 19yearold American Music award winner and grammy nominee, the vast twitter following who has lately taken up the dressing of like the lost love child of vanilla ice. I dont want to be too many because anyone of voting age knows how this movie ends with a one way ticket to lace garrett island. I know im going to get a ton of hate as justin manages to be both a tween girls date and the violent felons cellmate. Most of the fans are going to disavow ever having been your fan by day four freshman orientation. Youre like elvis not musically. Elvis never charged money to watch him lipsynch at a concert. Youre surrounded my friend by enablers who refuse to stop your random acts of adolescence tool bagri. Consider this a loving intervention from cousin johnny, you ready . Because this week, justin managed to do something so vile and lame that he created a perfect metaphor for the modern state of american celebrity and class culture. Justin ahad several number ones, this is about the number one hes going to be remembered for. As documented by tmz the dead sea scrolls justin and a few of his low wattage suckups were here at nyc when they decided to show the young believes how testosterone rots the brain. Justin who never accepts an award on camera without mentioning his devotion to christ make a restroom out of one guys custodial equipment. Bieber, wearing the same pants at mc hammers fire sale urinates into a mop bucket while his crew laughs and leaving it for some working man to clean up. Then he sprays some of the restaurants cleaning fluid this is a place where food is prepared on to a photo of president clinton as he screams f bill clinton. Really justin . Be careful what you wish for. This is how a lot of young guys behave all the time. I recommend watching the video. It is a great way to remind yourself hes set for life and mozart and van gogh died penniless. Karma will hit him like ike turner after bad weekend coke binge. Hes got hard years ahead of him. He called bill clinton to apologize. E reported he offered to do something to make something right and clinton said if thats the worst thing youve ever done, all is well then bieber tweeted things were good with him and mr. President. Heres the thing. That wasnt the worst thing you did. It is great how you trumpet the way you apologize to the famous guy but i would like to think bill clinton would with have pointed out the real person you should apologize to is the man or woman who had to clean up your human waste so they could do their janitorial job to provide for their family. You could make an apology to the restaurant staff instead of treating them with the respect you show a pet monkey in german customs. The media hasnt asked it. The plight of the working folks can goes unreported. Not too late, justin. Somewhere right now, a 12yearold girl is listening to the beatles revolvinger album for the first time realizing she aint that into you and for his fans, all i can say is if your greatest accomplishment is being a belieber, then youre an underachieve. Thats our show. I want to thank karen hunter. Karenhunter on twitter. Dee dee benkie . Dee dee g. O. P. Scottie nell hughes . John we had two republicans and a liberal. This is viewpoint. Well be back next week. This is current tv. Were still here. Im john fuglesang. Five more weeks. Good night mom. [ applause ] joy thank you. Hi everybody. Welcome to a very special episode of say anything. One where the chair doesnt exactly fit my tush. It is the chair. Its not me. Why is it so special and why