A child imagery clinic. She should have seen one of the happiest moments of her life, but it turned out to be the worst guilt video to me. That is the end of the book on the letter, stacy . Yeah. I dont remember anything except to moment when the bus was already over, you dont to relo was leaning over me saying id give him bus 2 a daughter, but that she wasnt very well. So he wanted to have had baptized right away of the day. You see black level, i was still very hazy and said yes to everything the chalet already you dont to then i left the delivery room with a non unreturned a bit later with the baby over, wrapped up in a towel. It maybe says, i said give your child a case and i kissed the little face and it was freezing me. So i saw the whole bundle was ice, cold, the lady just them we for the i love that that the news. But the only way that the gap i found thats what i saw it x 2 hours later talk to the, came back and told me my child was dead. Instead of actually at the back home i sank into a deep depression. You dear, one day my husband came in with the newspaper and said, dont develop as being arrested. Someone reported him for baby trafficking, southern i believe he does. A generalist was investigating the photographer, found a frozen baby in the clinics, freezer and secretly took photos 8. This yeah, no, yeah, yeah, you have. So i said to my husband for the blood, this is the child i was shown with o d u and then i told him the whole story. He did either to book a leather. It has to be here. Yeah. This is really good. That was a study of the ladies the the transfer, the for i to else a lopez is not an isolated case. Around 300000 women in spain have had the children stolen only in the past 10 to 15 years has the full scale of the crime come to light. Since then mothers have been looking for the children and children, so theyre both parents. But this is proving extremely difficult because most of the evidence has been covered up the the, the origins of the child safety can be traced back to the 19th. Thirtys, spain was a backward, impoverished, conservative country. At the time. In 1931 new democratic elections were a source of high hopes, the but soon general frank coast right, we military forces states, the crew against the young republic risk civil war ensued with hundreds of thousands of dance. The general franco emerged victorious in 1939 and subsequently ruled within the insist about 500000 political opponents, ended up in prison. Among them many women who would vote for the republic. They brought the instance with them to prison, but the children would never registered, which left them dangerously vulnerable the itll come and then the by the, when i say that foothill mean to like every step in 10 to the ideological basis for the kidnapping of children was provided by the military psychiatrist via so not enough for him left us ideas were a kind of Mental Illness that are sort of is crucial to prevent the babies from feeding on the milk is coming to some of the month, the democratization of the country. Ive caused the to generation in the spanish race in order to regenerate that for the children of the red. So i have to be removed from the influence of their parents and you want it above all from the influence of their mothers financial on the female in general, had a tendency towards perversity evil, a tendency that was only intensified when women interfered in politics. They dont, as was frequently the case in the republican come after the southern, if you set the this does francos justification, no phone, lisa murdering and imprisoning dissenters, but also the taking away the children. Reporting the hope you have no days ladies get there to meet and effectively thought of getting a 1940. They even created laws to save the children of republican parents. It is you, this was the phrase you provided a legal veneer for taking children from their parents and revolting parental acosta. You saw it under the, at the age of 3 years for the children of imprisoned women were collected from the prison by soldiers with no explanation. But of im taken to convince or church on this for re educating it. I think i already hear some of you. I think theres an opportunity of yeah, the re calvin uses research has revealed that by the end of the 1940s, some 30000 children had been abducted from the parents for political reasons. And given under full names to couples loyal to the regime or placed in homes. Ready ready according to vineyards, the church was a willing partner and frank coast painted with increasing privileges. List. Yeah, no, i use all. Thank you. Lose your data principle to say the Catholic Church collaborated with francos dictatorship is inaccurate. Seventys will easily say the Catholic Church was the heart of franco, isnt very niche, was franko is, im in good condition. You see good frank, wisdom cannot have existed without the Catholic Church, for the honesty pays. The church sees the reason to apologize to the stay. It hasnt budged an inch on time request for the truth. I just dont want to navigate. Gimme a call because ive got a except the 1945, franco, who described himself as a 70 loyal son if the church declared catholicism to be the official state religion. The agreements granted the church control over the education and health sectors. Now nothing stood in the way of the re education and the legal adoption of red children from the fiftys on which the political rational was no longer necessary. By then franco head, spain. Suddenly in his grief, the abduction of children now developed into a Business Model involving doctors, lawyers, and above all, the Catholic Church, childless couples the there ought most to present themselves as a good family. A baby cost about as much as a condominium, while adoptive parents were led to believe that the bus mother did not want the child, the unmarried pregnant women were brand, it is full and goes for prostitutes. As punishment. They was sent to church homes where they were forced to do back breaking work, so no pay. These homes were controlled by a state institution run by franco, his wife. One such home was penya grundy, on the outskirts of madrid. Now a modern school, nothing recalls the disappearance of hundreds of newborns there up until the early 19 eighties. However, old footage shows how things were back then a Delores Gomez right and impregnated by her own father when she was 15, also remembers when the goddess nobody made. Okay, put it wont stop on that for shes supposed to be. And when you arrived in 10, your grand a, as a pregnant young go, the nuns didnt ask how long you, but rather what happened. Do you want to keep the child or give it up for adoption syrup . And so i was good in that moment. I dont think any of us that even thought about the question, guess we were still getting used to on you invited your boss of notice that hard, but they didnt let home because they kept questioning till they had you stuff. Dont this . Uh huh. To install, this is a young single go know family in the background, which means no one will ask questions and the case if in the dont forget about the bottom. I didnt even after that, they would just, im relenting from what i can do. Ill give your child up for adoption and it can grow up in a good Christian Family is god. Well, and somebody else monday, no, come through us. Its you wont be able to raise the child any way to know whats happening. You know, was anything your and nothing . I said, i know they were so brutal list. Yeah, i got to leave it out. But it was that the, the also Consuelo Garcia del said, was one of the 1st to take a close look at child trafficking and penny a grunting through facebook. She contacted women who were in, turns there and recorded the stories. The definition of days have brought us tablet that and my area and theyll say to me, i run into this deputy and ill probably tell you it was in the human watch pain tonight. The nuns even took advantage of the womens name of painters. They left the pregnant woman alone in a room, a cold, and they do have sorrows. And when the pain go to unbearable, they came with the adoption paper and said, well have your baby adopted sign now you define now to mail it out. And if not doing what they do often say youll baby has to be incubated. Its very similar to that. I looked at the incubators where one flora, and after 2 days they tell you, your child has died in your some way and said, yeah, those, those they have sending them with them. But these children will not dead if theyve been given up for adoption in another. Yeah, the elsa lopezs child was also pronounced dead in him, a treat Maternity Hospital and allegedly buried the same day without her the mother being permitted to attend the funeral. Some women whod been told similar lives have since had the graves of their allegedly dead children opened and found them empty. The medicaid of the lucky yep. At the time they told me at the clinic said theyd vary to my childs here in a mood in a symmetry maker when he got but it was an i, as i realized, like to have you have you to another and this and you of course i went to the symmetry administration, but they didnt know anything in receipt of that. But much later after further inquiries, they claimed today that i read the remains at the corpse and an anonymous mass grave. This was the custom when no one came forward within 10 years issue. I filed a cool complaint and also took it to the police or they got their response then was to say that they didnt foamed me of everything at the time when i got about them being of youth. Yes. And i still dont even know where this alleged mass grave is supposed to be. And i mean, if that like in rough or 2nd, why is the cover ups . Why the silence that continues to this day . Spines, bloodless transition from dictatorship to democracy . Came at a high price, says both as i got phone. He was one spines, most famous judge, prosecuting crimes against humanity, the world over internationally reviewed and nominated for the nobel peace prize. Gallstones failed in his own country. In 2009, he was the 1st day of prosecute the crimes of the franco dictatorship in spain, including the 5th of 30000 children from republican parents. His investigations prompted an accusation of abuse of office on grounds of his violating the 1977, amnesty little the guaranteed impunity for post perpetrate has no further charge heard by the Supreme Court which met with public protest and intense media interest. He was removed from office and banned from practicing his profession for 11 years. And what is the thought of one though . They already committed when franco died, theoretically, it could have meant the end of repression. But in reality, nothing changed. The video that should have been a rupture, a democratic reckoning. Yeah, but its always responsible. So frank coast regime should have been held accountable for their abuses. But that didnt happen. Some of the total under the whole c, c, a spanish judiciary clothes that i used to it all. It was the same judges as during francos era, though, let me see there was no transparency whatsoever until its done that it wasnt even a symbolic break with a dictatorship. It was and is a positive sign. And thats why the spanish state hasnt investigated the kidnapping of children. Well, the out the crimes of the franco era, even though they are all crimes against humanity. And so the franco dictatorship, which lasted almost 40 years, continues to shape the country to this day. Since gallstones allister argentina has tried to continue his work, the victims of baby snatching to enjoying a lawsuit and the odds in teeny and coolants against the perpetrators of franco is a glimmer of hope. As the lopez often meets up with fellow suffer is that common fight unites them feel. Navarro is also still looking for her daughter and christina moore, i show for her son in law, courteously that works how to get by. So going to get a house, the little susie notion, tina going p e leslie forest k 0 at the info. Theres a total stance to let the moment a conflict on the horses. The spanish authorities are still refusing to cooperate with the argentine in judiciary. April official cassettes have weve tried everything they will not gone to the highest court by those days to see on but nothing has come of it given us the last bit on 2nd most and yes, it sad hopes that come to nothing in english though, so many of those as well, by the way, ive had a genetic test done in the us, its been feeling at any the genetic test in the us increases the chance of finding relatives because the u. S. Has the Worlds Largest databases of genetic profiles, but comparison. The smashing process really occurs in spanish and the bar trees. Flatow is k is im i, youre the other. No, thats why the majority of us have the dna testing done in the us army, the condo human, which we also distrust with the genetic look bar trees in this country. Komatsu, theyre always strange things happening. We still like it says the test is negative when in fact it is positive. Things like that come via the 1st week of october, the 30th communal florida level. And i thought you good for that. And theres 2 new state run dna lab for us in spain. For us that, that so hes been on the phone for a long time and so and then, and we dont trust the private library rather, jackie. And because we know that many of them are connected to ultra conservative clerical or political cycle. Yeah. Con level or somebody else who is certainly not interested in bringing the crimes of a friend to era to long provide or pick it up. I thought i space 30 a gabby to understand the dope to a villa is considered one of the key figures in the nationwide network of baby traffic is you know, the 1000 cases, victims named team and his assistant system. Maria from the order of the daughters of charity as the perpetrators. Despite being reported dozens of times, dr. Villa continued to work with impunity. In 2018 challenges were finally proved to gains team in one single case. As reported by the spanish press, the 85 year old appeared in court for the oral hearing, where he stated for the record, but he couldnt remember anything. Is the next day the trial was suspended due to the defendants health problems. 5 months later, villa was found guilty, but was acquitted to, to the statute of limitations for the crime. In 2019, he died. Many spanish knowns were involved in the baby snatching system. Maria, dr. Villas, right hand woman, was the alleged main perpetrator. Yet she too was not charged until 2 cases in 2012 of the non by then in her late eightys refuse to testify. Shortly before a new trial date, the order announced that she had died suddenly and had already been buried. Why did the order only announce system, marias pausing after she had allegedly been quietly buried wise and exclamation as demanded by victims. Groups still the 9 to this day in 2015 it emerge. The 2 different death certificates exist, the original signed by the physician. Doctor beto co has a different sequence of digits than the copy. Oddly enough, doctor Barrow County was not even the attending physician. However, his father was a friend, desktop develop system, marias former boss. Since our interview request was denied, we visited adult to barrow call at home. How does he explain the different death certificates . However, he was north of the talking at the registry office, the Different Number sequences coolest. Pressed on, this meant to get out, but it didnt mean to the head of the department promised to look into the master. She would email us in a week at the latest but despite several follow up inquiries, we received no answer. No st. Kiddos. Finally, we searched for the grave of the daughter of charity in the sand whose though symmetry and madrid with system, maria is purportedly buried as officially the symmetry of thor is. These are not allowed to tell any one way. The grave is located. The religious order does not meet at last, but not least, we visited the order of the daughters of charity. Although they too refused us an official interview. A short conversation ensued. A sister died. We dont give statements, no comment. Who our lives onto ashamed of what sister maria did know why a sister did what she had to do . We loved her as she is, she did her job well. The common del mazda was also once a nun in the order of the daughters of charity. On sundays, she often help system, maria, at the odonnell clinic and was surprised that the flow where the incubators were located was always closed off on that day. No one was gone to the entry only lights or did she find out that babies was sold there on sundays every the i store and lots of forge dont . Human answered. Although i also saw women coming into the clinic with a pillow under the addresses. And then walking out with a baby in their own, in the study that im not accusing all of assistance from the former order. But those who participated in these crimes must be punished by the state Justice System notes by the judge in york. I want to touch big ideals. I wanted to help people. Yeah. So i became a none of the but i gradually realized how intolerant the church was. That it was on this side of power and notes on the side of the pool, the level of the what just the official church in spain, sites of the accusations. What does it think about the baby theft . We ask Jose Giovanni or Communications Director of the episcopal when i drop it off and us up with the table, you know, at least ive got the i dont think you can say the Catholic Church was involved in the babies to have to. Yeah, it hasnt been confirmed by any Court Decision or otherwise. There were some perpetrators who may have been associated with the church, who worked in church institutions. Studies at the church as an institution has nothing to do with the baby steps. Its individuals who acted on their own initiative, not to blame the church as an institution. Its kind of outrageous, you know, because if im thinking about a family, you know, so could someone like system, maria have been selling children for years without who wrote and knowing a balance it but i so such an accusation would have to be substantiated in court. The court would then have to decide whether an institution should be prosecuted because it had knowledge of certain actions of its members. Either you and there, i can determine that. So not a problem was that they gave me to new york. The madrids hospital district was the center of the baby abductions up until the 19 ninetys there with thousands of cases kia alone in spain. As a whole, close to 20000 cases have been reported in the last 15 years. Move in 90 percent of the cases have been shelved the rest and making little progress. Its a m