But thats normal and welcome to conference thank you thank you for having me. You have what amounts to a failed uprising in venezuela behind you and your Movement Continues to make. Incredibly optimistic predictions about one seat in the government why is that because the situation is unsustainable we have 18700000 venice ones have lost 25 pounds over the last year thats the beginning of a major famine you have been saying its unsustainable for the last 2 years youve been saying its unsustainable because you are using it becomes increasingly unsustainable and you know you said you said the other day that in 2 weeks. The motes who are going to harden very very low they were injuries on the right this is still there the president maduro is still in his palace with these armed forces as well with some of his armed forces i mean the head of his Intelligence Agency is now safely ensconced in the area where i was one. Even more now oh no no really i mean they are negotiating behind his back there are negotiations going on right now and they are looking to to to get out and the situation is just an example of this council it will run out in the next year but in the last few days we had one guy go insisting that he had the backing of 80 to 85 percent of the Venezuelan Military based on war because based on the fact that they are suffering as well they are going home to wives who tell them that their work is a humiliation to children that are crying and hungry 80 to 85 percent of the military are the worker bees of the military they are not reaping the 8800000000. 00 of Drug Trafficking and golds trafficking that has nothing to say about their on your side nothing to do is absolutely true there you are a world you failed to bring the military on time and somehow on the contrary the problem is that we have cuban Intelligence Officers preventing them. Following their children and preventing preventing them from rising up and we have over 200 military being torture there have been over i took over 12 for one way dont understand it scuse me before. One way though or it took office there were over 12 military uprising attempts by the military spontaneously your latest attempt was described by the crisis group as poorly conceived and easily subdued thats hardly a success is it the point is that people want change they saw in the middle im sure is there a god necessarily want you. On me im out there on the moon with your movement i dont know why i am an ambassador for the movement. I think that they do they want out from this drug cartel regime that tortures people it is causing a bigger existence syria this is not it violates its own cause not a huge its not a big exodus and soon as this elusive least 12000000 people what we have to take into account those whove been one or 2 of 1000000 people its about 5000000 of that dont you have to get on the right im talking about internally displaced more we will have environs or you know youre more at the end of the year and 8400000. 00 by the end of next year that far out thats exactly about thats and so to answer you i say doesnt our action go that is i want him to u. N. H. C. R. The oas the u. N. H. C. R. Isnt exactly a bastion of right wing ness now is it apparently your biggest mistake last month was to trust the word of the government officials you were talking to. Because human rights you knew this anyway so why is it such a big surprise that you were plagued by them why why because they took you for fools war other know if they took us for fools and we will hope that the that the positioning of common defense of the people come in the fence of the constitution and accept and misty and be part of the right side of history would appeal to them i am fortunately i think that we are the ones who are still made and that the people behind this and i was not personally involved i am an ambassador i am not the president i am the chain of command flows down to mean. Not upwards the people who were behind stairs and took the decisions i think you know did. Not bit naive about the amount of money being made by the military and their Drug Trafficking activities theres another psychological component which you will know well from game theory for instance as youre trying to negotiate a situation you have all these different players and what you know what you know but you dont know what the other person knows about what you know so basically we dont we suspect is just very dark auxiliaries are a Christmas Tree i did Arts Alliance and began our yo gabba this is a competitive newbie mason as youve made a number of important aspects but the people who pay for those mistakes are the people now according to the u. N. In just 8 days from january the 21st to the 29th where the protests began to write more than a 1000 people were detained many of them were just kids most of them were kept incommunicado for days without access to family so using their residence ration continued to starve we have 330000 venezuelans cohabit emerge you have very soon and by government sponsored look at their lives at risk 330000 have been murdered by government sponsored gangs 70000000 you guys you or me im the best you can do with your you can see how young they really are poorly conceived and easily what theyre just what if you ask what are you recommending military use are you advocating a military intervention im not here to answer your questions you come here and so why do you sit here and say im not asking you when i will read line here at what point do you know a thing the people to come out because youre putting more lives in the water than what all the other options than what do you recommend that attend what happened on april 30th and may for us is in keeping with the constitution that was drafted by this and i am going to do that and it didnt work when. People trust you know why should people come out to mr karzai because now they know because now they know how how the regime is fractured that deals doll ok your and by the best and that i saw me now has an arrest warrant he is the hezbollah bad mad very very those issues raised your best and lost you know why is it about one isis group says you dont know most of america is that the only View Congress or american you can Share National crisis cred know that momentary to our loss or marrow described venezuelan politics now as shaken he said the people were confused wounded and motivated as it was ours are going to feel as a result of what we have done rather than 20 years of dictatorship and starvation and torture im sorry that has dashed now to know and we stand for despite the fact that since then 28 percent of the National Assembly has been you know it has been arrested and our Vice President is now disappear disappear in the classic latin american sense of the as a taken with no proof of life given and because the rodeo insists in the last few days that we will as well and for the rights of all people in a matter walk and i just asked the question sure he has insisted in the last few days there is absolute unity in the opposition thats pretty hard to believe what do you mean of course if you post reports you dont move the 5th that some of the opposition Senior Leaders have become playing the blame game over what went wrong so its unlikely that you now want to you know you saw these injuries when they won the prosecution is absolutely across all Political Parties the National Assembly has members that have been that have been now exiled since may for us or have been disappear or across all political criminality just what you want them in your decision to venezuela has then the president tomorrow ive been for years you know critically no i did your glorious and now im sorry im sorry what has happened is this after many years of the International Community blaming us a. Get your act together and you need to unify we have unified we have a president according to our constitution called one way the law every single party is behind him my appointment for instance was approved by every single Political Party in the National Assembly by unanimity hang on ironically what has happened is now that we are unified the International Community has structure now you have the Montevideo Initiative the International Contact group the lima Group Conversations and have anna and conversations are now all over the place and the irony is that thats the ultimate hypocrisy is that the International Community ok and then like a bunch of squabbling children said the time when we have our act together since when that time that you trails of my people since when have you discovered this newfound unity because by november last year the failure in trying to incite the fight stand by november last year the fights were so bad that luis salam might become political scientists former director of the National Electoral council such a huge out it was issued a years eve regularly have destroyed january tattoo strong january tat 29000. 00 is what i suddenly came together really yes of course under one why though when he became the de facto president of venezuela because mother would or is in violation of our constitution we unified behind our constitution and not everybody seemed very happy with the way he took the presidency what do you mean just handed. One of the people visit on with. This one of the most visible opposition figures when why do took possession of the assembly the view of the majority of the venezuelan opposition was that ought not to be appointed president the 23rd of january 100 idea putting it as it has sidelined and when you dont know how in the end and i just finished can i just assume all the 23rd of january came and he appointed himself we didnt have any information it surprised many leaders in the opposition echo. Only this size weights are you i said let us all in politics for a long time for good reason is a 2 time loser president ial candidate and he does not have the support of the venezuelan people wonder why they are so his views are automatically to be dismissed because they dont coincide with no they dont coincide with the will of the venezuelan people who want out from this regime he is not the leader of a Political Party he is not even really involved in the Political Party anymore and he fled the country and came in under dubious circumstances i mean if thats the pope is thats the one person you choose when you have millions of people weeping in the streets for why the law. And he lives it in the country and you can see him when he went on the tour at the end of the diaspora and in order to let me know and then i duros during the president ial palace and you people trying to find protection are very seriously i said im being received in the president ial palace because that the Russian Military the international lath thinks that its perfectly fine ok for the russians to invade us basically and have military advisors talk about the military have brother and have military advisors in Cuban Television as he talked about the military has signed up and the elana Foreign Terrorist Organization which personally intimidated time or can we just can know how you dont know that on any stops the uprising mourns the houses you same way the nazis as i know my we dont need speeches i want to talk about the military im going to talk about the fact that it was reported that one kwaito said he would probably accept a u. S. Military intervention if the United States proposed it you have been talking to the u. S. Military your movement has been talking to the us my counterpart about interest. Let me correct you if theyre factually my counterpart in washington d. C. Well speak to them on monday that conversation has not happened yet so youre pretty serious about this military intervention but im not serious we have a commander in chief that what are my. Our president that is his decision to make he says hes already been talking about strategic and operational planning with the head of the u. S. Southern command he ordered cutlass back you to have that conversation and that conversation has been scheduled and announced on twitter by catalyst vecchio my counterpart in washington d. C. For monday such a move would also split the International Community again you say its split anyway so youre not bothered about that European Union says it doesnt want military intervention the lima group says doesnt want military intervention you dont care what they think about this we are looking at all the options were also involved in conversations at our end negotiations to find a pacific peaceful solution a peaceful resolution the offer is now and has always been on the table for them to leave the country peacefully on the plane get out take their ill gotten gains take their ill gotten 502800 1000000000 dollars that they have stolen ok take some portion of that and leave and that has to get back to democracy and that the 85 to 90 percent of people in venice whether who want to mother would go out to carry on with their lives image of the other there are many many hours this you so you can get on a plane going to the country yes or no justice and accountability there will be see people who have been murdering and tortured they just got off scot free how forgiving do you think the vendors will people are that i shall be after what you say has been done to them well murdering the torturing more that is a force that is obviously set up and. There are other ways that go on down there the document can download the document its called plan base and its in that 6 we have a plan for Transitional Justice its in our governments plan for Transitional Justice and the truth and Reconciliation Commission which happens after you have regime change and you know this because ive done this this has happened a number of times before so we will follow the International Standard on that really the fact is these offers of amnesty may well be illegal under International Law and might well run counter to venezuelas International Global gauged. In january Human Rights Watch called on you to amend your amnesty bill saying that any amnesty guaranteeing impunity by absolving government and military officials of the most serious Human Rights Violations thats incompatible with venezuela thats correct when can i say thats correct our ambassador to czechoslovakia is actually the one who brought the case to the i. C. C. So the major human rights lawyer tomorrow so who so you dont have the slightest knowledge of these and. Then theres a that sounds on what the how the how the intern and we will take direction from the International Criminal court on how on crimes against humanity crimes people who commit crimes against humanity is a very different case and go into a different basket there are people who are guilty of Money Laundering drug tunnel through my monitor im talking about people who murder who torture who forced disappearances yourselves of lying asshole is automatically youre saying let the whole lot get out you know we are saying we are using this no nation when you open a museum like gaz your facts are wrong really yes your facts are wrong so when our president president president has a distinguished that he has clearly stated everybody has stated it at least 20 times 10 that anybody who is not guilty of crimes against humanity can be offered amnesty those who are guilty of crimes against humanity do not care that misty period and thats in keeping with International Law so im not sure where youre getting a fact is about the 3rd or 4th time in this interview youre wrong so why if im so wrong why have all of the human rights organizations got onto your case and said this is something you shouldnt be doing i was right gonzales on whats in their minds i can only speak to the 5 a day when i didnt hear these words either i dont know but i think you can go on you can go online and find them one this week whats extraordinary also is that not only are you offering amnesty to some of the military and government personnel but you probably offer to give them a place in a Transitional Government lets think about. Just that it has now you know how there is a lot of forgiving do you think venezuelans will be that is something that will be announced and what the medical and people in want for and want to form where are you going to be it will be put to them it will be put to them and Transitional Government is not a permanent government and you know how transitions to democracy are always complicated hard choices oh ways have to be made but again we look at the 330000 people the government has murdered with armed gangs we look at the 18700000 people on their way to a major famine 7000000 of whom are in danger imminent danger of dying. And or in imminent danger and in mr justice humanitarian aid so just as humanitarian kerry is being is our side this regime who is shooting people for carrying out this of you their ballots hundreds disputing you say that are you telling me then that just is so you and sasha becomes no transition comes 1st those who come to realize the error of their ways and come to love our people and their country and the constitution will have that credi