Reason it never worked the people around trump refused to help. This is the day. I think lou did get the evidence developed by the Special Counsel is not sufficient to establish that the president committed and the structure of the justice Offense No Collusion no obstruction. I. Never was by the way and never will be no one outside the department. Has seen the unredacted with the Deputy Attorney general and i disagreed with some of the Special Counsels legal theory should never happen to another president again im having to take you. Also coming up tonight reporters without
borders new press Freedom Index is out never before have journalists been hated so much never before have political leaders been so vehement in denying that fact of course we have to also work in order to protect Freedom Of Expression freedom of. Movement of that but we do not see that there is a problem with that in our country. Well to our viewers on p. B. S. In the United States and All Around The World welcome we begin the day reading them all the reports and the more we read the more we ask does this lead to impeachment of the u. S. President today the much anticipated mobile report into russian interference in the Twenty Six Thousand president ial election was finally released an infamous is on the word finally before today we did not know if the public would ever see the
results of the special councils two year investigation u. S. Attorney general barton made it clear today that he was sharing the report solely at his discretion now the four hundred page report that i have right here is also free directed in places you can see parts blacked out for National Security reasons among others but there is enough inside to better understand what Robert Mueller was thinking especially concerning the question of Obstruction Of Justice by President Trump in the Report Muller and his team write that the president s efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the president declined to carry out orders or a seed to his requests. In other words trump try but no one would help roll that revelation triggered the start of Impeachment Proceedings against the u. S. President what we do not know that is a matter for the u. S. Congress and Robert Mueller where he was not present today to answer any questions but his boss Attorney General william barr he was taken was i believe it to his description in the report the Special Counsels own articulation of of why he did not want to make a determination as to whether or not there was an obstruction of fence but i will say that when we met with him Deputy Attorney general rosenstein and i met with him along with ed ocallahan who is the principal Associate Deputy on march fifth we specifically asked him he made it clear that he had not made the determination that there was a crime robert not for me the Justice Department if only at this moment when he came to testified to congress are there changes in the earth personally testify theres a lot of Public Interest in the absence of Special Counsel members of the state was he in Flight Training on why hes not here this is what i perceive your top. To for
he did for me as the new general he is required under the regulation to prove to provide me with a confidential report im here to discuss my response to that report and my decision entirely discretionary to make it public that was the u. S. Attorney general william bar there clear that the report was for him today weve got Team Coverage tonight of the most report and what it means for the Truck Presidency and why it matters to the world joining me here in the studio was tyson parker a u. S. Politics analyst with the Aspen Institute who also served in the u. S. State department under President Obama and from washington im happy to welcome the night Callie Simpson a former trial lawyer who served in the george w. Bush administration and is now with the Heritage Foundation and also in washing. Our very own Helena Humphrey joins me from our Bureau Helena has been on this story all day forced to all of you welcome helen im going to start with you and then go
around to everyone what does the mobile report mean for the Trump Presidency now compared to what it meant yesterday for and today the battle lines have been redrawn and this is certainly shelf in the resolve all of the democrats i think it means that they have more meat essentially to dig into and boy they are certainly digging into it weve just heard from up pelosi and schumer in a joint statement and they have said ok looking at this its quite clear to see that the Attorney GeneralWilliam Boz Definition of Obstruction Of Justice set out by the Special Counsel robot mother all two Different Things weve also heard from the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee jerry nadler and he says ok its very interesting that robot mother decided not to make a prosecutorial decision not because he is unable to do so this is a mound with a wealth of experience in this matter because he believes that he has set out a roadmap for congress to deal with this now as quoted jerry not on this before and
i will quote him again something which is impeachable may not be a crime something which is a crime may not be impeachable i do not think this is case closed by any stretch it goes to what do you say about the meaning of the report today i think the Attorney General. That hes going to let the report speak for itself i know that the democrats were very upset that he went out and did a Press Conference before the release to them of their reporting to the public but the report does it for itself an Attorney General made that quite clear and i dont agree that mr barr the Attorney General whos been the Attorney General once before has a different definition of Obstruction Of Justice than muller does remember their friends they both work in the Justice Department at the highest levels so i and report lays out the various theories of Obstruction Of Justice and as you said in your lead up could not conclude that he did it but it cannot exonerate him. Because theres the
report changed anything yeah i think so i mean it is centrally put a stamp of. Whats the highest credibility on a two year investigation which both sides of the aisle have said has been conducted with the utmost integrity Mitch Mcconnell came out and said that he has the highest trust and faith in Robert Mueller and laid out ten counts of what the assessors judged to be essentially evidence of Obstruction Of Justice i mean the evidence definitely of intent is there i mean we have essentially all the dots connected and that the breaking of those dots happened at the level of staff it didnt happen with the president himself if the president was able to execute his will this this investigation would have been as obstructed the most reported clearly states that the u. S. President speaking of which what you said tyson tried to interfere with the investigation members times it was not successful because the people that he needed to carry out
his wishes refused to do so. I want you to take a listen to what barr said today. The report recounts ten episodes involving the president and discusses potential legal theories for connecting those activities to the elements of an Obstruction Offense after carefully reviewing the facts and legal theories outlined in the report and in consultation with the office of Legal Counsel and other Department Lawyers the Deputy Attorney general and i concluded that the evidence developed by the Special Counsel is not sufficient to establish that the president committed and Obstruction Of Justice offense so that is what the Attorney General said today is if you take that further do we find a green light somewhere for Impeachment Proceedings helen. I think there are many arguments in this and a lot of it looks that
a President Trumps trajectory going from a president ial candidate to president himself when we talk about Obstruction Of Justice and Bob Woodwards book for example fear sets the president out at times as a candidate bumbling through making requests and people around him saying essentially no we cannot do that that would be illegal and then other points what were seeing today in the Report Accusations for example at least reports about the firings for example all of the f. B. I. Director james comey in relation to this report then seeking to see taken out of this report as well out of his investigation so its manifold and it evolves over time but if we take pastas prodrug what we can certainly say is that these kinds of investigations havent ended well for president ial president s in the past if you take a look at watergate for example nixon resigning if you take a look at the Ken Starr Report and then the Impeachment Of Bill Clinton but bill
clinton was called test lawndale it seemed that nothing would stick now are we seeing a new chapter somethings a fine all convention with trump i think that is the question as well. You used to be a trial lawyer if you had someone that had tried ten times to obstruct justice and it didnt work but you know they tried to in times that you had had that documented you would give them the benefit of the dealt with. I would look at all the facts and circumstances of what that individual did in that case and make an independent judgment of whether they had the requisite mens rea that is the the mental intent to obstruct justice under that either state or federal statute where i was prosecuted and ive done it at the state and federal level here my reading of the report is that there are a number of instances ten found where the president took actions like talking to one of his Campaign Advisors talking to his white House Counsel talking to the thenAttorney GeneralJeff Sessions asking him to an recuse himself and a number of other actions where the people just simply refused to do what he asked them to do and the question is not a legal one now because now were past the Attorney General himself decided to go forward with criminal charges its a political question does nancy pelosi and her buys or is think as a political matter that there was a high crime and misdemeanor that was done by the president and given the cumulative evidence that theyre going to say constitute obstruction decided to march for down the Impeachment Road Understanding that even if the house impeaches him it has to go to the senate for the trials but doesnt what we learned today the does that increase the likelihood i mean its certainly going to increase the pressure on Palosi To Go Forward with. These or not is a misdemeanor i mean these are serious serious accusations and theyre documented i mean this in them over four. Why if youre asking for me i do think that the
pressure on the speaker of the house is the third in line to be the president our country will be immense especially from the left whether or not she decides to live by her own standard that she laid out a while ago and that is shes not going to commence Impeachment Proceedings unless she has some buy in from republicans in the house to do so because she doesnt want to be seen as a solely partisan matter remains to be seen but as people start absorbing this report and actually read from beginning to end and i suspect the number is a very small number of people who actually read it from beginning to end time will tell whether they make the political judgment that its better to commence Impeachment Proceedings or just continue politically to beat the president and his administration over the head with facts from the moeller report well i do have to say that it is we were talking about this earlier ties its well written its almost its almost like a novel and the fact that you do have lots of rejected areas it makes for fast
reading ties and what about nancy pelosi the three democrats are in a conundrum now arent they well i think there are a number of known unknowns to use so its phrase i mean you know i think that shes done a pretty good job at marshalling her caucus and marshalling the opinion of her base to support any action that she finds would lead to the outcome that they see as most just within the law and if that seems to be the at the avenue of impeachment i think that thats the avenue that they will pursue if its the avenue of further investigation to see if there are grounds for impeachment i think thats something they will pursue and i think that that will happen rather quickly because as was talked about in bars Press Conference you know he will be going up to the to the hill to testify he has allowed for Robert Mueller to go to the hill to testify as well there are disagreements between the two which he admitted during the press Conference Today so those are going to have to be explored a little further and then there are elements of the investigation that have likely been farmed out to other Law Enforcement agencies. Other other elements of
the Justice System including the state of new york and the Southern District i mean theres excellent points i just i wonder though when you take all of this out to Middle America youre going to find a lot of. Passion about this when youre in the the u. S. And you know were hearing from all of the democratic president ial candidates theyre saying that when they go theyve been to iowa theyve been to New Hampshire already that people are not talking about the middle of report theyre talking about health care i mean does that diminish the power of this report to push. Me towards impeachment. Right absolutely and that is where nancy pelosi and the democrats are going to be very careful i mean how they make this decision theyre going to have to be pretty sure that theyre going to have a good case for Impeachment Pietschmann should they want to push forward with proceedings or not front because if they try and they say oh people in the rest of the country are going to either say that you know trump was vindicated this was
a witch hunt or that the democrats spent too much time corps top in the to ing and fro ing off the report when significant issues to them whether its Wages Health Care child care degree new deal environmental policy whatever it may be on the left which has voters concerned is not tackled in the run up to the twenty Twenty Alexion so really theres going to be some soul searching now i think in the Democratic Party with how they move forward now that theyve got this report in their hands theres other briefly yeah its a bit lee i think we all agree that this is going to be a referendum on trump the election in Two Thousand And Twelve i mean essentially it will be twenty twenty just me the impeachment is going to take place on the election day and the removal from office if that is to happen is going to take plac