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Line of a major will. Its very important that people are allowed access. Everyone will die if a Nuclear Disaster happens, not only us in ukraine, the whole it will die issues. Now that hes ab general recognition that we need to be there. We need to be there soon. And keith accepts it. Moscow accepts it. We need to go also coming up, the war has displaced millions of ukrainians or fleeing for safety, some narrowly escaping russian invaders. B. I kid a thing, i look to the lines. I was scared, but the neighbor saved me. They told the soldiers that it was the house of a single mother with 2 kids. And the soldiers looked, they saw childrens clothes drying in the yard and didnt enter your own. Let me begin these, they sleep. I went to our viewers watching on p b. S. In the United States, into all of you around the world. Welcome. We begin the day with a Nuclear Reactor in ukraine, taken offline amid fears that it was on the verge of disaster. These f r e g, a Nuclear Power plant, europes largest was disconnected, briefly from the nations power grid on thursday. The 1st time in its history, thousands upon thousands of residents in the region lost power, and the power Plant Operator blamed the blackout on russian shelling that knocked out high voltage power lines leaky the plant to the nations electricity grid. Russian soldiers, you may recall, took control of the area months ago. The ukrainian workers at the plant are still there doing their jobs every day, reportedly at gunpoint. But the International Atomic Energy Agency it have sounded the alarm demanding inspectors be allowed inside the facility. The i e a has made it clear that rushes decision to park weapons and soldiers at a Nuclear Power plant during a war is a recipe for a radioactive catastrophe. We begin with this report, the full rushes invasion. The vall separation Nuclear Plants supplied around 20 percent of ukraines energy needs. But on thursday, it was temporarily cut off from the countries power great, entirely off to fi as visible here on satellite imagery knocked out its lost external power line that falls, the facilities last 2 operating reactors to shut down ukrainian Officials Say palla has since been restored. One reactor is back on line and work is, are portly underway to restore the other Russian Forces had been in control of the plants since march. And ukraine has blamed them to starting the fires. But russia claims they were sparked, but ukrainian shelling for weeks now increase fighting at the plant has raised fears of a nuclear catastrophe. Experts fair that a loss of power would leave the facility, forced to rely on emergency backup generators to cool its react as the head of the u. Ns. Nuclear watchdog told french board costa france 24. Hes planning to visit i think now that hes at general recognition that at we need to be there, we need to be there soon. Adding a keith accepts it. Moscow accepts it. We need to go and we are going to be there. Hopefully very, very soon. The u. N. And well leaders have called for the creation of the Demilitarized Zone surrounding the plant to avert disaster. China, but russia has rejected that proposal. Nuclear security on the front line of a war. Im now joined by ross peel. He works on Nuclear Security and safety, including the role of Nuclear Power plants in times of military conflicts at Kings College in london. Its good to have you back on the program with this. I mean its, its is insane. Im to have a war going on and to have a Nuclear Reactor in the middle of a battlefield, a. But talk to me about the specifics of how dangerous the situation is right now. Renelle the stress, your attitude in situation is very concerned, and we havent yet seen a situation before like this, where a Nuclear Power plant has been on the front lines of an ongoing conference. So almost there in examples in the past of long range, military bullying bought from aircraft of your reps is off to the middle east. Not seeing this on getting fighting on the ground in the senate. See if this continues than it could lead to some of those situations that weve just been hearing about from your, your correspondence regarding the melting and the potential for the escape. Upgrade your material in the arms yet, it was Nuclear Power plants. Theyre just their, their power plants, the they are not built to withstand shelling or, or missile attacks that we, that we see in a war. So this is a situation that dog, theres no handbook or guide book, is there . No, we are certainly off the previous experience here. Normally, pots always designs with sunset amounts of damage. For instance, in the wake of 911. 00 attacks growth light that many designed to withstand the shot from an aircraft thats an aircraft is not designed specifically to penetrate through laser concrete, to attack a Nuclear Reactor, for instance, or our own carl hockey. So we are very much in uncharted territory here. I would agree suddenly though, that a concept of the talk with shells on missiles could deliberately talk to penetrate through these containment buildings and how much the reactions within and, and that would be, that would be the worst case scenario, right . If we, if we had a walk it that would hit one of these reactors ahead on a were talking about an incident meltdown possibility. Are we were talking about that possibility. Yes. Were also talking about an explosion that causes the release of Radioactive Material in the atmosphere. And its not just from the reaction unfortunately, either theyre all large pools outside of those routes is the same as that. There are many, many Nuclear Power plants containing use nuclear fuel that remains very hot and very radioactive for several years after being removed from the reactor. This doesnt hold same protection. So if these outdoor uncovered pools of water let to be hits, it could lead to the removal of bolts, iron that 4 to remove the exposure of the Radioactive Materials environments in the same way. And we, we really cant verify what is going on inside the power plant. We understand that the ukrainian workers were still doing their jobs, that we understand theyre doing it at, at gunpoint by russian soldiers that makes then the demand by the i e. A that inspectors be allowed inside the plant. Even more critical doesnt its extremely critical of the idea is given access to the parts as soon as possible on the work is all doing an absolutely unbelievable job on the if the worst possible conditions that one can imagine and to interfere with the and you can work and going, but that you to maintain the safety of the problems is hes an excusable in the normal circumstances. The idea needs to gets in that my concern, though is that when the age visit is scheduled to be thats in, in 2 weeks o one ever many, there will be steps taken to remove some of the evidence of what has been going on a pallet on to ahead of time was feel as always we appreciate your time and your insides, helping us understand the dangers of a Nuclear Power plant in the middle of a battlefield. Thank you. Thank you. Ah. The war in ukraine triggered a humanitarian crisis in the heart of europe. Millions fleeing their homes and the country i yada is 11 years old to day. Its a birthday like no other defeat was i did. I wish you have happiness and a peaceful sky above your head. I wish you that everything will be fine and that you can go home soon. This is a summer camp for kids and families. Weve lost their home. Refugees from embattled occupied areas, yada and his mother fled had sun, which is occupied by the russians. That was to see a new its the russians were standing well with tanks, garcia, and next to the tanks where people are unable to live. And then they to wish people away lies is not unable to live his code word, football, games, just a few weeks. Many of these kids have some and most people in the lifetime yard. Its dad is the soldier and the ukranian army, his mother decided to flee when the russians started looking for the families of ukrainian soldiers. But yeah, to referrals, i looked through the blinds. I was scared, but the neighbor saved me. They told the soldiers that it was the house of a single mother with 2 kids. And the soldiers looked, they saw childrens clothes drawing in the yard and didnt enter. Yeah. I need the dean these nicely though. My dear. The organizer is alexi olenick. Everybody calls him uncle yoshi so he wanted to create a space of solace if only temporary. The war is always close. You remember as a 7 Year Old Girl named marsha, lost him to bring her friend. The camp was full, so he told her the friend could come 2 weeks later. She is 3 me mush. And one day she was sitting there in the hammock crying. Lou, yep, its. I approached her and asked her to blush, whats wrong and thought . And she shuddered shrill, but it was quick when you said my friend, whom he didnt take on. I said, yes, i remember shes coming in 2 weeks. Is one of these new. And she said, well, i was and shes not coming any more yet as the ministry of children, i understand. If not my fault doesnt but she would still be alive. I this too many have stories like this. But uncle yoshi and the other volunteers try as much as they can to distract everybody with outdoor activities. Its the birthday boys turn to climb the rock solid yard. It makes it to the toss it all down my private window when i did get them. Theres no victory, at least for to day. When so much in his life remains uncertain. We want to bring, you know, of the you shondra. She is the editor in chief at the english language online newspaper. You remind on press and she joins us tonight from keith lee. Its going to have you with this. You have spent the last 4 months as a refugee here in germany. Tell me, whats it like to be home again . Well, i dont remember thats armina, one of the armed forces that i can return, but i have a home to return to that. I have a nation, an independent state. I am sincerely grateful and obliged to all the men. A women who have given their lives so i can return, same time i am very grateful to germany that it has been so welcoming to me as a refugee. What would you say changed for you that allowed you to consider that it was safe enough to to go back to ukraine . Yeah, i think that and the large large picture. Oh, there will be a rest muscles. Chives all around the world war but it will be quite small. So its either you know, like living outside of the country for the whole work or trying to and what i show and maybe if you can explain that to people who have not gone through what you and millions of other ukrainians are going through. How do you come to terms with living in a country that maybe seemed normal least the veneer but knowing that at any moment you could be targeted with, with a Russian Missile on you just mean maybe emergency mainly we will all die as sometime in our lives maybe we should prepare to live our lives the best, so we will not be ashamed. But of course we should take the necessary precautions. We have alarms yesterday and our Independence Day was whole day full of air alarms and during that take shelter because that brushes watch people just turns out to say, yes, it is a lie. Realizing that malazan actually russian brushing you see people learn to adapt to that implies, of course that things have changed. How would you say that ukraine has changed in the past 4 months for you and what sticks out most in your mind . Well when i last, there was a very high end of the war very soon there was a young that we could be rushing by. Right. And now the optimal more temper. And for the while the was falling, delivering of the equipment and what they need to launch or do they sacrifice the whole rush . So big thing that changed is that actually was a lot of the not ready for the launch counter basically about the optimal. So ukraine is like you know, small number to bring in spirit, but no other options. When you go there again, you know that there are, dont know that they are are there for their right to know that shes the one down about look for to be more attractive, be fine because its not what im reading it right away. Let me ask you, you as a journalist, you were with your children in germany and i understand you were able to report it. And this is the biggest story of our generation, particularly for you. What was that like when months of waiting, whatever you know, my language news or the world, but youre not seeing it with my own putting the stories on the well there are journal institution like being very difficult for them. But you know, what . Actually are you talking to somebody else . You are the way, well, protected, like, you know, from the old long im sure, actually im very surprised that germany should be no reason why it was very difficult being in a reality, were not were not trying to be the mountain you want to read at the end of the alea shondra the other in chief of the english language online newspaper. You are my don press aliyah. We appreciate you sharing your time, your insights in your personal stories too. We wish you all the best. Thank you. Thank you. Ah. 6 months of war and no in soft spring in bill rojo, he is a senior fellow with the foundation for the defense of democracies. He joins us tonight from medford new jersey. Its going to have you on the program. The news today coming from the criminal russian president vladimir putin, he assigned in order to boost the armed forces by about 10 percent, about 140000 more soldiers. What do you make of that . Who is not willing to call up the draft or you know, issue a National Emergency in order to bolster the size of the military. So he doesnt want to admit to the russian people that this is a full blown war. So what he is doing is issue in, in just a normal or an expansion of the military. This wont get him troops to the front fast, but over time will increase the size of the Russian Military and allow it more reach resources. The grain, i think what this tells us is that who is in this fight for the long haul. He doesnt see this as being a quick victory. That he is increasing the size of the Russian Military in order to continue the site. And you dont think that maybe this could be raising suspicions among the public that maybe the special operation is not going so well. I mean, he is asking russian mothers and fathers, you know, send me some more of your sons. I think that the time for that to have an impact on cotton and his war effort in ukraine has long passed the russian people, if they were concerned that they are overly concerned that they are losing too many or sons fighting and praying. I think it probably is being even out there is i support in russia for the war and this is being, you even doubt by things like the sanctions that are getting the russian people that had the opposite effect instead of causing a collapse of the russian regime and ending the war when its done, its called a rally effect. We spoke to you as i recall, just as russia had abandoned its assault on keven was re focusing on the east. The don boss, you were skeptical back, then claimed that was a symptom of russian weakness. I mean, how do you see the situation now . The russians didnt take a significant ground in the boston break. Now it is, its being described as a stalemate. I would say thats largely true. Theyre rushing so theyre, theyre having a grinding advanced or taking a very little territory, but it is advancing slowly. Theyre coming up all upon those cities, such as slow the are in, in the western part of the don bus. This, this is what i kind of expected after the failure in keyed the russians. They are, theyre going to grind this one out and thats what im seeing them doing. In the south. Im sky, im skeptical of craney and offensive. Theyve had very limited success over time. And the russians are reinforcing their, but i think weve seen is the situation sort of settle out on all of the front. You know, also, yesterday we heard the United States sitting 3000000000. 00 worth of weapons. And in addition to whats already been sent, there was also a reuters poll yesterday saying that a slim majority of americans, 53 percent, agree that the United States should continue to support key until russia withdraws its forces. How solid is that back . That that would be very concerned if i was President Biden or american follow policy maker supporting the the ukrainian government. Keep in mind that it took less than a year for american politicians to turn on the iraq war. And i would say about 3 to 4 years in the war in afghanistan. So particularly if were not going to see a ukrainian victory here, thats what it was being sold at the very beginning that the feet of russia crane re taking territory. But as gas prices remain high, because partially, and this is the president when President Biden blaines last year for the i guess prices. Yeah. It didnt have the effect that he wanted. He thought it would rally the american people. But what it may do, things like that, and also support in europe, right . With the guy, fuel prices and energy prices. The, this can have an opposite effect of wanting people to get out of this war. So i would be very concerned about those in the United States, bearing by far the biggest burden of supporting ukraine. Weve also seen this when it comes to native defense spending. How sustainable is that . And lets just talk about tension again. If there were to be a major conflict with china regarding taiwan and it would demand the u. S. Is attention. Would that just completely vaporize Popular Support for supporting ukraine . In your opinion . I would, i mean, look, this is a president that ran on ending the endless worse. Right . And now the u. S. Is involved in a war in europe that isnt going to be quick. It looks to be going to would, to a lengthy, at least. But if they are mates of words and ending, and when the Nuclear Disaster<\/a> happens, not only us in ukraine, the whole it will die issues. Now that hes ab general recognition that we need to be there. We need to be there soon. And keith accepts it. Moscow accepts it. We need to go also coming up, the war has displaced millions of ukrainians or fleeing for safety, some narrowly escaping russian invaders. B. I kid a thing, i look to the lines. I was scared, but the neighbor saved me. They told the soldiers that it was the house of a single mother with 2 kids. And the soldiers looked, they saw childrens clothes drying in the yard and didnt enter your own. Let me begin these, they sleep. I went to our viewers watching on p b. S. In the United States<\/a>, into all of you around the world. Welcome. We begin the day with a Nuclear Reactor<\/a> in ukraine, taken offline amid fears that it was on the verge of disaster. These f r e g, a Nuclear Power<\/a> plant, europes largest was disconnected, briefly from the nations power grid on thursday. The 1st time in its history, thousands upon thousands of residents in the region lost power, and the power Plant Operator<\/a> blamed the blackout on russian shelling that knocked out high voltage power lines leaky the plant to the nations electricity grid. Russian soldiers, you may recall, took control of the area months ago. The ukrainian workers at the plant are still there doing their jobs every day, reportedly at gunpoint. But the International Atomic<\/a> Energy Agency<\/a> it have sounded the alarm demanding inspectors be allowed inside the facility. The i e a has made it clear that rushes decision to park weapons and soldiers at a Nuclear Power<\/a> plant during a war is a recipe for a radioactive catastrophe. We begin with this report, the full rushes invasion. The vall separation Nuclear Plants<\/a> supplied around 20 percent of ukraines energy needs. But on thursday, it was temporarily cut off from the countries power great, entirely off to fi as visible here on satellite imagery knocked out its lost external power line that falls, the facilities last 2 operating reactors to shut down ukrainian Officials Say<\/a> palla has since been restored. One reactor is back on line and work is, are portly underway to restore the other Russian Forces<\/a> had been in control of the plants since march. And ukraine has blamed them to starting the fires. But russia claims they were sparked, but ukrainian shelling for weeks now increase fighting at the plant has raised fears of a nuclear catastrophe. Experts fair that a loss of power would leave the facility, forced to rely on emergency backup generators to cool its react as the head of the u. Ns. Nuclear watchdog told french board costa france 24. Hes planning to visit i think now that hes at general recognition that at we need to be there, we need to be there soon. Adding a keith accepts it. Moscow accepts it. We need to go and we are going to be there. Hopefully very, very soon. The u. N. And well leaders have called for the creation of the Demilitarized Zone<\/a> surrounding the plant to avert disaster. China, but russia has rejected that proposal. Nuclear security on the front line of a war. Im now joined by ross peel. He works on Nuclear Security<\/a> and safety, including the role of Nuclear Power<\/a> plants in times of military conflicts at Kings College<\/a> in london. Its good to have you back on the program with this. I mean its, its is insane. Im to have a war going on and to have a Nuclear Reactor<\/a> in the middle of a battlefield, a. But talk to me about the specifics of how dangerous the situation is right now. Renelle the stress, your attitude in situation is very concerned, and we havent yet seen a situation before like this, where a Nuclear Power<\/a> plant has been on the front lines of an ongoing conference. So almost there in examples in the past of long range, military bullying bought from aircraft of your reps is off to the middle east. Not seeing this on getting fighting on the ground in the senate. See if this continues than it could lead to some of those situations that weve just been hearing about from your, your correspondence regarding the melting and the potential for the escape. Upgrade your material in the arms yet, it was Nuclear Power<\/a> plants. Theyre just their, their power plants, the they are not built to withstand shelling or, or missile attacks that we, that we see in a war. So this is a situation that dog, theres no handbook or guide book, is there . No, we are certainly off the previous experience here. Normally, pots always designs with sunset amounts of damage. For instance, in the wake of 911. 00 attacks growth light that many designed to withstand the shot from an aircraft thats an aircraft is not designed specifically to penetrate through laser concrete, to attack a Nuclear Reactor<\/a>, for instance, or our own carl hockey. So we are very much in uncharted territory here. I would agree suddenly though, that a concept of the talk with shells on missiles could deliberately talk to penetrate through these containment buildings and how much the reactions within and, and that would be, that would be the worst case scenario, right . If we, if we had a walk it that would hit one of these reactors ahead on a were talking about an incident meltdown possibility. Are we were talking about that possibility. Yes. Were also talking about an explosion that causes the release of Radioactive Material<\/a> in the atmosphere. And its not just from the reaction unfortunately, either theyre all large pools outside of those routes is the same as that. There are many, many Nuclear Power<\/a> plants containing use nuclear fuel that remains very hot and very radioactive for several years after being removed from the reactor. This doesnt hold same protection. So if these outdoor uncovered pools of water let to be hits, it could lead to the removal of bolts, iron that 4 to remove the exposure of the Radioactive Material<\/a>s environments in the same way. And we, we really cant verify what is going on inside the power plant. We understand that the ukrainian workers were still doing their jobs, that we understand theyre doing it at, at gunpoint by russian soldiers that makes then the demand by the i e. A that inspectors be allowed inside the plant. Even more critical doesnt its extremely critical of the idea is given access to the parts as soon as possible on the work is all doing an absolutely unbelievable job on the if the worst possible conditions that one can imagine and to interfere with the and you can work and going, but that you to maintain the safety of the problems is hes an excusable in the normal circumstances. The idea needs to gets in that my concern, though is that when the age visit is scheduled to be thats in, in 2 weeks o one ever many, there will be steps taken to remove some of the evidence of what has been going on a pallet on to ahead of time was feel as always we appreciate your time and your insides, helping us understand the dangers of a Nuclear Power<\/a> plant in the middle of a battlefield. Thank you. Thank you. Ah. The war in ukraine triggered a humanitarian crisis in the heart of europe. Millions fleeing their homes and the country i yada is 11 years old to day. Its a birthday like no other defeat was i did. I wish you have happiness and a peaceful sky above your head. I wish you that everything will be fine and that you can go home soon. This is a summer camp for kids and families. Weve lost their home. Refugees from embattled occupied areas, yada and his mother fled had sun, which is occupied by the russians. That was to see a new its the russians were standing well with tanks, garcia, and next to the tanks where people are unable to live. And then they to wish people away lies is not unable to live his code word, football, games, just a few weeks. Many of these kids have some and most people in the lifetime yard. Its dad is the soldier and the ukranian army, his mother decided to flee when the russians started looking for the families of ukrainian soldiers. But yeah, to referrals, i looked through the blinds. I was scared, but the neighbor saved me. They told the soldiers that it was the house of a single mother with 2 kids. And the soldiers looked, they saw childrens clothes drawing in the yard and didnt enter. Yeah. I need the dean these nicely though. My dear. The organizer is alexi olenick. Everybody calls him uncle yoshi so he wanted to create a space of solace if only temporary. The war is always close. You remember as a 7 Year Old Girl<\/a> named marsha, lost him to bring her friend. The camp was full, so he told her the friend could come 2 weeks later. She is 3 me mush. And one day she was sitting there in the hammock crying. Lou, yep, its. I approached her and asked her to blush, whats wrong and thought . And she shuddered shrill, but it was quick when you said my friend, whom he didnt take on. I said, yes, i remember shes coming in 2 weeks. Is one of these new. And she said, well, i was and shes not coming any more yet as the ministry of children, i understand. If not my fault doesnt but she would still be alive. I this too many have stories like this. But uncle yoshi and the other volunteers try as much as they can to distract everybody with outdoor activities. Its the birthday boys turn to climb the rock solid yard. It makes it to the toss it all down my private window when i did get them. Theres no victory, at least for to day. When so much in his life remains uncertain. We want to bring, you know, of the you shondra. She is the editor in chief at the english language online newspaper. You remind on press and she joins us tonight from keith lee. Its going to have you with this. You have spent the last 4 months as a refugee here in germany. Tell me, whats it like to be home again . Well, i dont remember thats armina, one of the armed forces that i can return, but i have a home to return to that. I have a nation, an independent state. I am sincerely grateful and obliged to all the men. A women who have given their lives so i can return, same time i am very grateful to germany that it has been so welcoming to me as a refugee. What would you say changed for you that allowed you to consider that it was safe enough to to go back to ukraine . Yeah, i think that and the large large picture. Oh, there will be a rest muscles. Chives all around the world war but it will be quite small. So its either you know, like living outside of the country for the whole work or trying to and what i show and maybe if you can explain that to people who have not gone through what you and millions of other ukrainians are going through. How do you come to terms with living in a country that maybe seemed normal least the veneer but knowing that at any moment you could be targeted with, with a Russian Missile<\/a> on you just mean maybe emergency mainly we will all die as sometime in our lives maybe we should prepare to live our lives the best, so we will not be ashamed. But of course we should take the necessary precautions. We have alarms yesterday and our Independence Day<\/a> was whole day full of air alarms and during that take shelter because that brushes watch people just turns out to say, yes, it is a lie. Realizing that malazan actually russian brushing you see people learn to adapt to that implies, of course that things have changed. How would you say that ukraine has changed in the past 4 months for you and what sticks out most in your mind . Well when i last, there was a very high end of the war very soon there was a young that we could be rushing by. Right. And now the optimal more temper. And for the while the was falling, delivering of the equipment and what they need to launch or do they sacrifice the whole rush . So big thing that changed is that actually was a lot of the not ready for the launch counter basically about the optimal. So ukraine is like you know, small number to bring in spirit, but no other options. When you go there again, you know that there are, dont know that they are are there for their right to know that shes the one down about look for to be more attractive, be fine because its not what im reading it right away. Let me ask you, you as a journalist, you were with your children in germany and i understand you were able to report it. And this is the biggest story of our generation, particularly for you. What was that like when months of waiting, whatever you know, my language news or the world, but youre not seeing it with my own putting the stories on the well there are journal institution like being very difficult for them. But you know, what . Actually are you talking to somebody else . You are the way, well, protected, like, you know, from the old long im sure, actually im very surprised that germany should be no reason why it was very difficult being in a reality, were not were not trying to be the mountain you want to read at the end of the alea shondra the other in chief of the english language online newspaper. You are my don press aliyah. We appreciate you sharing your time, your insights in your personal stories too. We wish you all the best. Thank you. Thank you. Ah. 6 months of war and no in soft spring in bill rojo, he is a senior fellow with the foundation for the defense of democracies. He joins us tonight from medford new jersey. Its going to have you on the program. The news today coming from the criminal russian president vladimir putin, he assigned in order to boost the armed forces by about 10 percent, about 140000 more soldiers. What do you make of that . Who is not willing to call up the draft or you know, issue a National Emergency<\/a> in order to bolster the size of the military. So he doesnt want to admit to the russian people that this is a full blown war. So what he is doing is issue in, in just a normal or an expansion of the military. This wont get him troops to the front fast, but over time will increase the size of the Russian Military<\/a> and allow it more reach resources. The grain, i think what this tells us is that who is in this fight for the long haul. He doesnt see this as being a quick victory. That he is increasing the size of the Russian Military<\/a> in order to continue the site. And you dont think that maybe this could be raising suspicions among the public that maybe the special operation is not going so well. I mean, he is asking russian mothers and fathers, you know, send me some more of your sons. I think that the time for that to have an impact on cotton and his war effort in ukraine has long passed the russian people, if they were concerned that they are overly concerned that they are losing too many or sons fighting and praying. I think it probably is being even out there is i support in russia for the war and this is being, you even doubt by things like the sanctions that are getting the russian people that had the opposite effect instead of causing a collapse of the russian regime and ending the war when its done, its called a rally effect. We spoke to you as i recall, just as russia had abandoned its assault on keven was re focusing on the east. The don boss, you were skeptical back, then claimed that was a symptom of russian weakness. I mean, how do you see the situation now . The russians didnt take a significant ground in the boston break. Now it is, its being described as a stalemate. I would say thats largely true. Theyre rushing so theyre, theyre having a grinding advanced or taking a very little territory, but it is advancing slowly. Theyre coming up all upon those cities, such as slow the are in, in the western part of the don bus. This, this is what i kind of expected after the failure in keyed the russians. They are, theyre going to grind this one out and thats what im seeing them doing. In the south. Im sky, im skeptical of craney and offensive. Theyve had very limited success over time. And the russians are reinforcing their, but i think weve seen is the situation sort of settle out on all of the front. You know, also, yesterday we heard the United States<\/a> sitting 3000000000. 00 worth of weapons. And in addition to whats already been sent, there was also a reuters poll yesterday saying that a slim majority of americans, 53 percent, agree that the United States<\/a> should continue to support key until russia withdraws its forces. How solid is that back . That that would be very concerned if i was President Biden<\/a> or american follow policy maker supporting the the ukrainian government. Keep in mind that it took less than a year for american politicians to turn on the iraq war. And i would say about 3 to 4 years in the war in afghanistan. So particularly if were not going to see a ukrainian victory here, thats what it was being sold at the very beginning that the feet of russia crane re taking territory. But as gas prices remain high, because partially, and this is the president when President Biden<\/a> blaines last year for the i guess prices. Yeah. It didnt have the effect that he wanted. He thought it would rally the american people. But what it may do, things like that, and also support in europe, right . With the guy, fuel prices and energy prices. The, this can have an opposite effect of wanting people to get out of this war. So i would be very concerned about those in the United States<\/a>, bearing by far the biggest burden of supporting ukraine. Weve also seen this when it comes to native defense spending. How sustainable is that . And lets just talk about tension again. If there were to be a major conflict with china regarding taiwan and it would demand the u. S. Is attention. Would that just completely vaporize Popular Support<\/a> for supporting ukraine . In your opinion . I would, i mean, look, this is a president that ran on ending the endless worse. Right . And now the u. S. Is involved in a war in europe that isnt going to be quick. It looks to be going to would, to a lengthy, at least. But if they are mates of words and ending, and when the American Public<\/a> figures out that its, its shouldering 5 times more of the burden of this war than europe and just being counted as a potential europe, that is not going to go over well that the big high solution has been here in the United States<\/a>. The us had trouble fighting in afghanistan and iraq. These are small scale counterinsurgency type words. If there was a war with china over taiwan in the u. S. Is providing the support and the grain by a highly skeptical that the u. S. Would be able to shoulder the burden of true major wars when it couldnt child shoulder the burden of 2 minor words. Its a very good point. You hear people today say, you know, a war 2 fronts out of the question. The over here from the foundation for the defense of democracies bill is always good to talk with you. We appreciate your time and your insights. Thank you. Thank you. It was a pleasure. Well they, it is almost done. The conversation continues align. You will find us on twitter either at the w news. You can follow me on twitter at brent golf tv and remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day well see you then every ah with oh, the ryan is drying up at certain places along germanys longest river. 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