Kostenko and military and political expert daruyte volodymyr tsibulek. However, before starting our big conversation, lets watch a video of how ukrainian fighters repelled a russian assault in the verkhokamyanka and zolotarivka area of luhansk region. The defenders destroyed and damaged 10 in two days units of enemy equipment, these are six mtlb and four t80bv tanks, video combat work was made public in 118. Friends, we are working. Live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. For those who are currently watching us on these platforms, please subscribe to our pages and also like this video. You can also vote in our poll. Today we ask you about the following should ukraine cooperate with the russian opposition . Yes, no, please vote on youtube the corresponding button, or write your comment under this video. If youre watching us on tv, pick up your smartphone or. Phone and vote if you think that ukraine should cooperate with the russian opposition, 0800 211 381, no 0800 211 382. All calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. We have our first guest on the phone, mykola malamush, general of the army of ukraine, head of the Foreign Intelligence Service of ukraine in 200510. Mr. General, i congratulate you. Thank you for being you with us today congratulations, glory to ukraine. Glory to heroes. Mr. General, the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine released footage of the night attack on the military airfield in dzhanko, which took place yesterday, and there, as reported by the general staff, four s400 launchers, an air defense control center, three rls and airspace surveillance equipment were hit. Foundation m. What do these strikes mean, mr. General, is it preparation for the demilitarization of the peninsula, or is it the continuation of the demilitarization of the peninsula and the destruction of those installations that hit peaceful cities of ukraine, in particular, these four s400 launchers, from which they struck the odesa, zaporizhzhia, kherson and dnipropetrovsk regions, well, first. Next time, we are talking about the fact that we are moving to a new tactic of neutralizing the strategic weapons of the Russian Federation, this is striking targets of missile launchers, airfields that launch missiles or, for example, carry cabs, of course, these are ammunition depots, these are guidance systems , we are already talking about the foundations, and before that there were others accordingly powerful models that ensured targeting of our cities, villages , infrastructure, and military facilities, so today we will simply expand the geography of strikes, taking into account the fact that we have more and more means, not only storm shed not only respectively sculptius, but already our own drones, our own missiles that can strike specific objects. Crimea, in particular, is one of the powerful complex bases for striking our territory, one, a logistics hub, two, respectively, a model preparing reserves and sending them to kherson oblast, zaporizhzhia 3, this is one of the aggressors logistical routes, so destroy precisely there. All communications are singlestrike drones, and this is what they launch every night according to their intentions, we remember from crimea, they constantly fly not only to the south, which is very sensitive, but throughout the territory, including lviv, kyiv, they even fly to the east , and, of course, strategic missiles, russia praised its s 400 complex, triumphons, even. Called this great triumph, that it is not achieved by some systems, neither the western ones, nor even the ukrainian ones, regarding the impression, and their Defense System was understood, which is the radar system, the air Defense System that protects them, and the triumph itself, nationalized on missiles and on aircraft, and here this triumph appeared in quotation marks, now already take, it is completely destroyed and not one, but four, this will indicate that it is not so superpowerful and very intelligent. Weapons of the russians, which we cannot destroy, but a long time ago we recommended to the general staff, as a military sector that really deeply controls the situation, to strike at those objects that are being destroyed today or infrastructure, strikes are carried out on civilian targets, primarily on our living cities, and of course on military targets, this is the most effective means of preventing strikes on our territory, for example, h400. If there are four of their complexes, they immediately carry them around odesa, mykolaiv, kherson, get to the dnipro and further, further only from the crimea, how can they be neutralized in the air when they fly and fly literally for several minutes to the object of the attack, or, for example, when they have not yet deployed, or are just trying to deploy, here, when they are not yet ready to strike, when we conducted a comprehensive reconnaissance operation, accordingly , the detection of all air Defense Systems. Which provides control, detection of our strike groups, and of course, we carried out strikes on all systems, such as the s400 on Radar Systems, on complex global radio intelligence systems, well, of course, on helicopters and the infrastructure that is there, this is a real strike, we immediately with one operational format, we destroy an entire powerful block of the enemys aggressive actions, it begins. Strategic missile strikes, ending with helicopters, mr. General, in the proposals to vote in the congress of the United States of america, the congressmen should vote on a document that states that out of this 60 billion dollars that the United States of america promises us, part of the money will go on atakams longrange missiles. Before, nothing like this, well, at least it was not observed, when there. Er, the american side announced where this money would go, and even more so, they did not say or write about the attack missiles, the change happened, and the americans already reported that part of the money will go to these longrange atakams missiles, with the receipt of these longrange atakams missiles, can we expect further demilitarization of the temporarily occupied crimea, because it is clear that probably. The americans will have restrictions on striking the territory of the Russian Federation. Crimea was and remains ukrainian, but can american weapons be used there anyway . Well , first of all, nothing accidental happened, a lot of work was done with the democrats and especially the republicans, no only through the state structures, but precisely through those channels that have an influence directly on trump, on the leadership of congress, especially representatives of the militaryindustrial complex, who are controlled. And the association of us generals, started by tom sam hopkinson, a fouryear general, who clearly set the task of supporting ukraine, especially after the strikes on israel, that this is a single block, russia, iran, this is a threat to the democratic world and a threat to the us, and the us cannot retreat now and these showdowns between parties, elections, take it to a different level, that is why such a powerful lobby format allowed to see the attacks, after all, it will be voted on. We hope on the 20th, well, it is clear that it will be developed in every direction, what is supplied except the atakams, this is the f16, this is really a guided air bomb. Systems, these are other models that we cannot disclose today, but these are highprecision and weapons, highprecision capabilities of Radio Electronics that create electronic shields against missiles, aircraft and drones in russia, this is the powerful format, which will be supplemented with other projects provided by european countries, purchased on foreign markets, and we do it ourselves today, so the american Missile Systems will work powerfully in the crimea, the british shadow and skype t french systems, which will strike at all objects we have identified four powerful airfields once, eight launch centers two, 12 Radar Systems of various types , three, this is a powerful one, the crimean kerch between four, this in the complex will solve the issue, well, of course, all the bases, including again and the black sea fleet has not yet been finished, accordingly the fleet itself, which. Still remains there to barge in various points, respectively, the fortified districts that they are creating there and bases for the formation of fuel supplies, oil refining, petroleum products, especially for all types of armed forces, this today it will be fought with american, british, french, german, and of course ukrainian means, in the future, as we will be, i think that in the second half of the year it will still be possible to strategically position the counterattacks, and maybe strategy deployment. Offensive operations in the south, crimea will be turned into a powerful reserve of the day, because the blocking of the kerch bridge and the destruction of the main strike groups and resources, which we are talking about, but systematically, will allow us to enter there, and they will not allow us to create a powerful opera. Mr. General, yesterday the Parliamentary Assembly of the council of europe recognized that Oil Refineries and oil and gas structures are legitimate targets for forces. Defense of ukraine, as they are part of the war machine that is now trying to destroy the ukrainian state. The pariah resolution, it is of a recommendatory nature, but can our european partners, in particular germany, provide us with longrange weapons, referring to this recommendation, that if a missile hits an oil refinery on the territory of the Russian Federation, that these plants. Recognized a legitimate goal by the Parliamentary Assembly of the council of europe, and whether or not this is a sufficient argument, can be a sufficient argument for our western partners . Well, the resolution , first of all, really aims at the fact that the position of the countries of the European Union and the countries was clear members of the Parliamentary Assembly of europe that all our strikes on oil refining and other Energy Facilities are legal, because these systems are basic for striking and waging war. Missiles without fuel do not fly, launchers do not move, planes also strike, ships do not float, that is, tanks and bmp batteries do not attack either. That is, this is the main basic model, along with ammunition, which carries out specific, global and tactical strikes on our territory, including terrorist acts of a global level, therefore it could not be otherwise, but germany, in particular. Will be clearly guided by these recommendations, will convey to us, for example, tavros, i said no, for now, because in this situation germany is afraid of a more global confrontation with russia, and especially scholz emphasizes this, that it can cause a global confrontation between germany and by russia, here already by nato and russia, and may lead to systemic threats of nuclear confrontation. I will say that this is scholzs mistake, but i think it will not last long. After transfer. Large, so to speak, packages by americans, in first of all, attacked, after we receive ammunition in the format and not only of the old types, but what has been rightly insisted for a long time even today by the leadership of the European Union, many representatives, and the supreme representative, and others pointed out that it is necessary to allocate reserves of the ministry of defense, the bundessphere, the pentagon, the ministries of defense of italy, france, those highprecision. Weapons and Missile Systems that exceed russia by orders of magnitude, and these will not be units of them, such as against air defense, as we say patriot or arisa, there are 3, 5, 7 and so on similar, and many dozens, 40, 50 and so on, in this plan, these are air Defense Systems, Radar Systems , one hundred and two, this is another powerful shield, and of course, strike groups of missiles of various types, it will be three, but sholsk, you know when it will go for concessions and can. Hand over these longrange missiles when the americans deliver, when the other countries of the European Union deliver, all types of the newest types of weapons, and we will go to hell. Measures of the strategic operation on the free territory, he will understand that there are no elections in russia, but we really need them to finish a victorious war on the territory of ukraine, and there is a real chance, from then on he will move, he will say, together with others, he is ready to hand over, while he himself is speaking, i do not want to go to a confrontation, well, you know, the format is to bury your head in the sand for now and hold to some extent such a position, yes i support it, yes i give it, but especially a powerful one, which you give preference to. On the front, systemic, strategic, i will not yet, so as not to stand out in this confrontation with the Russian Federation. Well, by the way, the federal chancellor of germany today announced that ukraine will receive six patriot systems from nato partners. We are waiting for details on what, what and when it will all be, of course. Well, in the meantime, i wanted to ask you, mr. General, about the statement of krylo budanov, who said in an interview with the Washington Post that ukrainian attacks on the territory of the Russian Federation. Will continue, in particular with the participation of russian volunteers under the leadership of the Main Intelligence Department of the Ministry Defense of ukraine. I will quote general budanov. We proposed a plan aimed at reducing of russian potential, it covers many aspects, such as the military industry, Critical Military facilities, their airfields, their command and control points. Mr. General, how do you assess our capabilities . At the expense of russian volunteers, and not only at the expense of russian volunteers, but at the expense of partisans, lets say so, on the territory of the Russian Federation, to undermine their capabilities and their military power, well, in particular, in the body of russia. Well, i think that in this situation we are to some extent left, we they carried out point operations, strikes, they entered belgorod, bryansk region, respectively, other regions, but these were not decisive, so to speak, they are point operations, they gave a chance to possibly reorient a number of primarily representatives of the opposition, that there is an alternative that can work on the territory of russia, but at the moment, when putin is advancing, when the regime still controls all structures, including society, there will be no great successes yet, but they must be carried out, why, because along with successes on the front, just such operations can initiate prospects radical actions of the opposition. When those who are afraid today will understand that putin and the regime are weak, then the russians will come, but i think that it is necessary to expand, in terms of their activities and in different areas, and in terms of number and efficiency, the landing, perhaps even in a number of regions that allow people to rebel, but this is in the future, now there are no special prospects, putin may be able to deal with them in a few weeks, but more effectively. Operations when there really will be prerequisites that in putins entourage, you understand that he is weak, and the opposition will be ready for active actions, realizing that repressions will no longer be effective, and of course, these military formations, fronts can be the organizers of such combat and operational actions, and this is the reason for the activation of partisans, militants, agents are not only such information is provided, and who are preparing operations on strategic objects by. Differences, Oil Refineries, radar stations and relative to specific military objects or military contingents, it is necessary to expand the task of development during the war, so that it is not one, two, five facts, hundreds, hundreds just a real factor throughout russia , then there will be disorganization, then there will be a global undermining, not a point, such a small undermining as we see today, and then it works, that is and morally, politically, and to some extent militarily, but also expand operations on the territory of russia. These are the direct tasks of military strategic border intelligence, this should be their main feature, and the second component, which we pay little attention to, well, relatively little, because maybe there were no means, this striking all strategic objects on the territory of russia, we are still doing it, but it is dozens per month, maybe less, it is not yet noticeable enough, although oil refining is already the first format by 1525 , we can already see it in various sectors. The supply of oil products was decreasing, and this is a decrease for the armed forces of russia and a decrease for exports abroad, there are already large losses of currency, and this is precisely the undermining of the financing of the military industry and the armed forces of the Russian Federation in general. Mr. General, president zelensky does not rule out that the russians may attack ukrainian Infrastructure Nuclear power plants, in this connection asks to provide ukraine with modern air defense equipment. Lets listen to what zelensky said. Russia has already destroyed almost all of our thermal power generation, under the blows of terrorists, dams and hydroelectric power. Stations, as well as gas infrastructure. We also see that russia does not give up radiation blackmail and continues to fool around with the security of the zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power plant. This can be stopped only by the power of air defense, the specific systems of patriot, iristi or on sams, the systems that are