Be mastered, but this one we are now talking about days and weeks versus er months and years if we are talking about, for example, f16 us we will use pilots whom we have trained for several years and now we will train them for several months but we have well not in us but in any army that has started it is possible to use more modern equipment, firstly, it can be adopted very quickly, and secondly, it has almost no opposition from the enemy. Limitations of technological our of the enemy, yes, they have the opportunity to buy these drones and produce them, and even rockets, but in very limited quantities. And in our country, when we do not have an economic and technological blockade, and we have the help of our partners, we can produce it. So, that is, it is asymmetric approach and it already works, talked to the guys from the front. It works. Yes, that is, if a drone at a price of 400 can destroy a tank at a price of several millions, and if we are talking about a modern one, then it works even before our war, before a fullscale invasion. Was like hypothesis, but the technologies have never been used anywhere on the frontline. And now they are firstly used, secondly , they are massively used. And this makes it possible to study their tactics and strategy of use , and based on this, our partners and we can build a new ee the methods of fighting and even if military wars are somehow so absolutely true because in fact this is really our practice that tested the hypothesis of mass use of dro was just the impetus for this Replicator Program that the deputy secretary of defense of the United States spoke about now based on your experience as a person who has been engaged in startups of various purposes for a long time, now closer to the military topic, what are the main problems now from the point of view of the promotion and development of military startups, relatively speaking, are foreign business angels ready to invest in our military projects, this is one component question, and the second question is how to ensure the scaling of those solutions that are considered to be breakthrough or effective, what are the main problems that exist at these two stages , well, let me start with the second. Yes, because there is the first its more like that. Well, its a difficult question, and there will be a long answer. And what i see, i dont have a solution now, firstly, secondly, i dont have to influence it, thirdly, i dont see all the pictures together, yes. That is these are my thoughts, which are exclusively mine. Yes, now we have a problem, as i see it, that our resources are quite limited , but large ones are scattered among a large number of projects that produce something. Yes , we have projects. Well, i met with more than 200 people. No by companies and groups of people by organizations or companies that produce anything that flies. Yes, there are somewhere close to 300, more than 200, but no, not 300, but approaching 300. That is why there is a different amount of decisions and uh money that is volunteers of the state and in commercial institutions , including investors, is scattered over a large number of projects e and this is a problem, because if we had an unlimited market, well, for example , there are literally millions of startups in china, and they are fighting for a large amount of money and so on, but here we have one ministry of defense. There are several powerful donors who, well, there the funds you heard about, you know, so now we have a problem that i would now choose several solutions that proved themselves very well on the battlefield and financed their powerful scaling. And what do i see now i see that there is enough funding for projects that have just started, and they will begin the path that several dozen startups have already taken and achieved something. So it seems to me that now there is no balance and no lets just say that unsynchronization and the lack of a strategy for what and how we produce it are the main ones the problem is from one side from the other side. I would not risk building a large enterprise for the production of drones of any military equipment. There were risks that something would fly there if they were built in protected areas. Well, for example, in kyiv, in the kyiv region here everything is putting the population at risk and even if our air Defense System works very well. If there is a motivation to attack more densely with rockets or these scooters. Will protect, but uh, we have it the problem of scaling is that we already have products that have proven themselves very well , and uh, i know several companies and several teams that are currently trying to build production in poland or the Czech Republic or the baltic countries so that they are there in conditional and safe conditions and can supply already manufactured equipment to the front, here it is, respectively, to the second question, to the first question, the answer is actually very unpleasant, and i am very pessimistic here now, because the majority of investors with whom i communicate say that the absolute majority probably 100 of our startups that work for the war will end when the war ends and this is a problem for them because the only customer now is a conditional one is the ministry of defense well, okay no no the ministry of defense yes and the needs of our military yes they are financed by the ministry of defense volunteer funds and other organizations, but when the war ends, these orders will disappear, and if we invest now , this is what investors tell me. If we invest in such companies, we will lose money, thats why they want to finance companies that have prospects on global markets. And what would it be like to have on global markets, apart from engineers and production, they need two things, the first is compliance with International Military standards, yes, and it is very expensive to produce. Well, for example, we counted for one startup that spent on resources the development of half a Million Dollars in order to do what they do, but it met International Military standards, they need to invest another 2 Million Dollars, and they hesitated for a long time and decided that these 2 Million Dollars will be spent on the production of what they have, so that it is destroying muscovites right now, and not improving there, and this is the first problem that ours are not ready to invest money, time and energy to meet these standards, if we if the company is focused on global markets, then the team should have people who have experience working in these markets, that is, investors want to see, in addition to products that will meet international standards, that there was a person who won or took part in tenders in any country military and i understood how the kitchen works, because our estonians are very optimistic, even those who have experience in the global it business, but selling drones to malaysia, for example, is much more difficult than selling it solutions, even such solutions a complex company like ibm, for example, yes. And we have no experience working in international markets, we have no experience in working on er, experience in producing er , aaa products that can be sold to the ministry of defense of other countries, and now it is starting to affect our internal financing because our people are ready invest one, two, three million in military startups, they have a question. And what happens next, because with this money you will not really do something so revolutionary. And the next round of financing cannot be involved, because the two conditions that i just mentioned have not been met, and it is some kind of e trap for us i until well we are working on it yes now we have several interested former top employees ee military companies of big well you know yes that Silicon Valley it grew including from milliliter projects and there is an office and a station and honeywell and other companies that started in the valley and draw talent from the same place where google and apple draw them, but uh , former officials of these companies are already looking closely at ukrainian projects to go there like aah from everyone to a consultant who will help to do something to them what will be able to be sold on global markets, this is the first and second, we already have examples of cooperation of Small Companies that produce nondrones and separately, for example, solutions for drones with companies that produce drones so that it is possible to attract these technologies developments for use in already existing large products that are supplied to various ministries of defense. Well, to sum it up, i concluded for myself that we have such teams with whom we spoke create projects to solve such applied tasks for a short period of time, what needs to be solved now and the number of innovative the solutions that are present in these developments are actually minimal and the amount of these real knowhow things is not enough for our foreign partners to be there or business english they looked at this market as a largescale market and they selectively choose those companies where they can really see something there, some kind of seed , and then grow it and accompany it. Failure raid 99. 7 . That is, 997 companies out of every thousand go bankrupt and now what i see, i see in us a military raid much better than in the industry as a whole, our engineers and developers have access to the front and they can test their solutions literally next a week after they invented it there, yes, this, these, these fast iterations, that development, testing, refinement, yes, this is something that is not currently available in the world, and we have a separate solution, well, for example , when you build a drone, a new drone cant do anything, well, they cant invent anything because well, this technology is very old, but if you are developing , for example, Something Like a vision computer for existing drones, then you have very big advantages over, for example, American Companies in which the cycle of iterations takes weeks , not weeks, and months or years, and ours can be tested very quickly, that is, if big projects move very slowly in our country, there is really very little innovation there, in the elements and in small teams that solve small but very difficult tasks that have not been solved now. Is boiling and from which i see a very large number of very interesting examples and could give certain examples because it in particular is the forests of the company there where your friend Anton Skrypnyk is creating things there and robotic platforms and others that now have the scope, including the foreign market, these directions are promising, robotics, things like that, well, everything, well, look, everything has prospects, and we now have such an interesting situation that in some yes, in some industries, there are questions. And we are ukrainian products. Yes, we are only we started to have something else, but it may have some shortcomings. But if you compare it with our global competitors, we are already using them at the front. Yes, we will not test them on the training ground, we are using them at the front. They have combat operation and they have reviews from of the military and we have already made three iterations and this can somehow break erer break some stereotypes and even classic schemes in military business , but i must note that the projects about which we ourselves are so interesting now, they did not originate in erer tanks under wartime yes, well, for example, if you look at the development of the same skrypnyk there, the date. These are projects that are several years old, yes. And there, well, i even have companies that make drones there. Okay, something that flies and related to that, yes. When i ask, when did you first heard about started to do something it is usually after the start of the war, and that is, there are people who have been working on this topic for a long time and they have made their run by looting. And there are people who are just starting. And if i see a very big opportunity for cooperation here, by the way , because people who have to work can attract enthusiasts who have an undivided eye and can create innovations before the war there are no military and now i see this synergy in several projects mr. Anderson works very well thank you very much for such explanations for inclusion on our air i hope that we we will continue our discussion in our programs and i will remind our viewers that our interlocutor was denys longopolyi, he is a member of the Supervisory Board of the startup fund and the head of the nest company, and then we will continue our program after the informational pause, we will talk about what specific examples of Initiative Solutions have been developed by our other companies that also correspond to military hightech and are conceptually invested in those approaches that the United States is now trying to implement as part of its Replicator Program about this after informational pause, such a head from overload has different causes, but there are solutions combispasm and a normal head overcomes pain and spasm skillfully combispasm there are discounts on motilium tablets 20 in pharmacies traveler bam and savings collaborator a person who consciously cooperates with the occupation authorities to the detriment of his own country until recently, these people lived nearby, pretended to love ukraine , our home, our school family, our only ukraine, but in fact they were waiting for russian peace. 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M. Repeat at 12 10 p. M. We continue our military program in which we to which we are talking about domestic technologies and projects to create a qualitative and asymmetric advantage on the two corners. And what is important is that we can take from those approaches that the United States is currently implementing with its new Replicator Program, and now we are joined by eduard trotsenko, cofounder and general director of infokom ltd. Mr. Eduard , i congratulate you, i am glad to see and hear. I have a good day. I do not know whether you have familiarized yourself in detail with these approaches of the american side within the framework of this program, the replicator of the new initiative. It assumes that the United States has drawn conclusions from the hostilities in ukraine and has made a bet that in a short period of time it will saturate all its troops there on the ground in the air with a large number of small autonomous robotic platforms and they believe that this will be an answer to the superiority of the chinese in particular , which prevails their number in terms of equipment and ships and manpower. I would like you to evaluate these approaches and how we can extrapolate the same approach to what our side and our armed forces have to do strength in the longterm struggle with the russian federation, and perhaps even in the shortterm perspective, your assessment of such an initiative by the american side of the initiative is absolutely correct, and the experience of emerging actions in ukraine just shows that for the fight against meat from that side, it is absolutely necessary uh, automated platforms are fully autonomous, but what if we have such a trend so far, uh, in principle, an automated Autonomous System is the 21st century, uh, russia came to us with the war, this is from the last century, so yes, there will be people here, and our population is four times smaller, so we must defend ourselves with something and somehow, for this we need Autonomous Systems, so from the american side, this is an absolutely correct approach for them, as a countermeasure to the chinese, for example, sir eduardo, you have quite interesting developments that really correspond to these approaches that the United States is currently trying to knit this is a significant number of small platforms of various purposes, at the last meeting where you and i were at the ministry of defense, where different versions were considered. You showed such a demonstration video where it was about the directions of your companys work. I will now ask our directors to show a part of this video where it is about interesting samples, starting from uh combat koloboki to other things that were very necessary now when we release these formatting ey