Transcripts For ESPRESO 20240703

To peoples deputies, draft law 9 20 was registered as early as july 24. It specifically concerns the proposal of peoples deputies, is it a faction, whether it is a large country or a large country , it is called one deputy Valery Hnatenko the former pzj and the other, former from the peoples ears yurchenko oleksandr, both are very wellknown scandalous, they proposed to make changes to the current legislation that where there is a military administration, to automatically terminate the powers of deputies of local councils, well, that is , to dissolve all of them, they are not needed. I am now about who will do the work for these families are there, budgets are approved and so on. It is legally necessary to do this because then if you liquidate, then you need to make changes to other laws. Well, okay, i know there. That the comments are from the deputies. They said that we will listen to the people and protect this document in the committee. Well, the bill. Well, okay, but the initiative itself is questionable from the point of view of the alleged logic. Although you can argue there, i literally two days ago threw the question to my subscribers, you know what the reaction was they said to disperse everyone and the Verkhovna Rada , and rightly so. They said to disperse all the deputies correctly. What is the Verkhovna Rada doing now with this exclamation . A deputy, a representative of the public, legally elected in open democratic elections, they simply bury parliamentarism in ukraine, this is the most terrible problem in my opinion, and when you come out tomorrow and say i want to be a deputy , they just spit on us, they tell us that we dont need it. Who will come and will decide everything himself, the deputies have nothing to do. What is it . We just want autocrats. The deputies must understand these risks. Well, in my opinion, this is the most terrible challenge for today society for us, especially in the conditions of war, you can further develop the topic of the effectiveness of the work of anticorruption Law Enforcement agencies and so on, you can make a remark and, well , in such a historical perspective, after all , look at the effectiveness of the parliament in such tragic situations for countries, for example, the British Parliament in the 1940s, how effective was the British Parliament . There is a feeling that we are already somewhere else, now we are in a time gap and the challenges are somewhat different. Well, this is my personal position , but if you knew, this single leadership was effective and we did not have similar cases that we are talking about now, ms. Natalya, no by chance, you also mentioned linkinas arrivals and this draft law. It is important for some reason. The existing problem is not solved by pressing one button, yes, or by one hand , yes. It is not solved, it is not solved, that is why we say, i see such the way to solve the problem because if the Verkhovna Rada passed more effective laws about which we have been living there for the last year and a half, well , i think there would really be less problems, the corruption track, uh, upon blinkins arrival, he is connected , did he somehow rise or not to the public plane of course not no official part no one, i dont have anyone, i was literally there yesterday, there was a broadcast with him from journalists , we talked and talked, well, its official and now already lets talk about what became just plots, what remained well, of course , corruption is not a track because its no accident that my my personal belief is that everything happens exactly on the day of blinkins twoday visit to ukraine and the change of leadership and voting and so on, but this is the problem, because when you say it, even the European Partners are already hinting at us, yes, you are there. Look, but for me personally, the most significant moment was this before blinkins arrival, when we are already talking about it, she is all like the president of the country , the president of a european country, a member of the eu, a member of nato, i am far from thinking that this is a personal initiative, that it was collective decision because i didnt hear any feedback condemnation of his words maybe i missed it tell me that is, everyone was silent well its not that they ate they listened so it was correctly said lets move on what s next the us secretary of state is coming and such a low event they knew that he would be of course the authorities knew that she knew what was being prepared, but returning to the issue of voting on the draft law, one remark gives me the impression that the faction of the servants of the people very strongly framed the president , or just wanted to say, i dont want to talk about the perspective of the boyars, you know, the bad king good, you know yes, but one way or another how to fix this whole thing now, i will add a little more to the defense of the parliament well, i understand that in the conditions we are in and in general very often the Parliament Takes on the negativity that is aa in society in relation to power and in the conditions of martial law, it is possible with greater force. Yes, there are certain with certain in certain geometric progressions, but well, lets be honest about the fact that in these one and a half years , a new generation of corrupt people who simply make money on war why dont we talk about it, but we didnt just add to the number of declarants , including those people who in one way or another participate in the military medical commissions or are related to this case plus everything that concerns purchases, including defense ones. I do not want to blame anyone in any case because i am actually the government. I am also responsible for this , but whether such things took place and the fact that it should be on the surface, well, this is actually maybe even the main key question its the fact that the deputies have now taken on the negative for what they didnt they opened the registers, well, lets be honest, it was just a moment to which you could make a certain yes claim, but well, in fact , the request was to make sure that they did not steal from the inside, and the request, of course, from international partners, that the aid allocated to us and what to do about found on execution, but for now i do not know whether there will be a veto or not , there are several scenarios, it may be returned , there have already been cases of this bill with the president s proposals, and there may be changes in the future, and there is a petition on the website the president who thinks that everyone knows scored a Record Number of votes there in a short period of time, this also indicates that there is some support for olen along the line of the president , there is a faction, and so far i do not have such information, that is, we continue to discuss internally among ourselves aa information about which there will be further actions, we do not have me in the chat, there is no such addressee as unknown, they say he is, but he does not write honestly, well, you led us so smoothly to personnel issues and already so carefully hinted that these personnel issues are also obviously related to corruption issues are related. Then lets develop this opinion. Well, the committee was absolutely very, very wellknown and very loud, including our anticorruption committee. In fact, mr. Varshikov did not come, but a whole delegation came. From the ministry of defense, and there were representatives of Law Enforcement agencies, the time was not enough for this continuation that story with the jackets , we actually managed to figure out only about this wall building, but both that and that were not finished and we still had to have a meeting with the Law Enforcement agencies about that. To decide, that is, there is a scandal, but somehow a colleague already said that it should end with something, and it was such a loud backstory, and i think that it played its highest, huge role in the fact that the rotation took place. I have great hopes that mr. Roste u merov will change this track and for this there is a year of work of the state property fund, which in fact was also such a huge corruption hole , before that it showed a good result. And i really hope that we will not hear such parties again. Shame was heard on that committee a huge number of times, just choose some other term to convey the whole meaning of that uhuh horror that we heard, saw, observed, where there were no answers, where well, it was a shame, i really wish that society and our defenders did not see this before blinkin er since there is an er surface part of this visit and there is an underwater part of this visit i would like to evaluate it from the point of view of our er military capabilities and from the point of view of our er our war capabilities how you wonder what he came with, because the visit is interpreted in different ways, some say that the fork is wide, others say that maybe they are forcing us to a truce or negotiations, and because we are not approaching this Reference Point when tokmak and then the division and separation of crimea and the second part. When they talk about the fact that we almost gave us the opportunity to act there, so to speak, to put out unlimited cakes repeatedly with the mouths of mr. Well, no in order to announce aid to ukraine, it is not necessary to go across the ocean for that, you can explain everything, but yes, of course , a whole series of issues were discussed, and i do not rule out that we are discussing, including zelenskyis visas to biden, and i think that he will make this visit. And it was discussed, well look, how long is the assembly . I think that this issue was discussed. Well, i have such suspicions, and then blinkin came to check the temperature in the apartment, what is happening in the country, what are the moods, what, and so on. Of course, we must understand that these are moods. Lets you surrender and so on, they are always in the west somewhere, because everyone, as we see ukrainians, must learn war, that in this world all nations love only themselves , they are friends for money or only out of necessity , so of course to reduce their expenses at the expense of ukraine of course without the satisfaction of the western countries, they did it, by the way, mr. Dear, and the Prime Minister of italy did it, when the first three months he submitted a plan, he woland , there is already a plan that actually meets the interests of russia, that is, we say, a long time ago they started and finished, thats why there are such circles, we looked, mr. Kolebo correctly led mr. Blinke to the overlay, he showed that at what price it is given and for what confirmation, since the issue of delaying weapons, it also costs the ukrainians a lot and so on, so lets see what will happen, i also think that after that how is he more like that, damn it. At least his position there, the assessment and the counteroffensive and everything is different , i think that some were moved. So, look at at least such a detail for us, for example, abrams tanks, i remember at the beginning of this year they promised that they will be at the beginning of next year only, and they appear now already in september, that is, some processes are going faster, and on the long range cluster projectiles, we see that this is a very big loss for the russians, and contrary to the policy of the United States of america, they did not sign the convention on the prohibition of projectiles , but and they did not support it, it was somehow in the background, but the cluster shells are provided now they are provided at first they were provided to the zurans already er these zorans impoverished attention at first they gave the british now they are given by the americans and look, even the europeans dont say anything anymore, they Say Something about the cluster bombs, they said that its inhumane , and so on. Well, well, manna weapons. Well, thats how the russians use it. That is, this presentation of war is also god. We must understand that it was in the complex i saw that in reality no one is going to give in to the mood that exists in deya, we will talk about it separately. Today there are news reports that say that they can and are going to. Well, let s see. But a lot also depends on again, we return to our military command center and the ministry of defense, that is, from a certain ruler, in reality, he must understand that he is now the head of the cabinet of ministers, so if he declares that there is a lack of funding there, then he gathers everyone and decides where to finance the brothers banking systems, where are the excess profits, and where are the brothers . Where is it possible to redistribute, including the state fund of these fdls and many other things, or now to finally solve the issues that are still hanging when the ministry of defense is suing the state Audit Service that seizes profit in enterprises that work for the defense what are you talking about, what does i do, i know that it was the president s order to solve this issue, mr. Moluska wont budge, mr. Moluska, who should decide, wont budge serhii marchenko, who heads this, well, he heads the state Audit Service dont move. Look at whats already happening. Here we are. I also saw an interesting letter on facebook when the state Audit Service launched it. What are they doing now . The company there is a pozhmashina, in my opinion, it was in pryluky, there, now they are relocating, failed in my opinion, and so on. The main thing is what next next of course i didnt have time to do Different Things and this is the creation of an analogue of our own darp, this is the center of advanced research on weapons regarding what is new today. The war of robots, we must win this war. We must also understand why are the russians sending all these drones, they are quite primitive, but look at what the chinese are already doing, look at what they are already doing, and drones are flying, they are artificial intelligence. You know, you remember watching the terminator. Its far away. We want to go back. Dubliners, why is this . You say that our ability to help ourselves affects , including, the mood in the west, including we must understand that the more often we will , for example, dig our own drones for in order to release, for example, the black sea fleet, it will simply be thrown out of the black number, and there will be no need for an ordigan who will go to putin and ask what is going on there, somehow , the gutiers will Start Talking here, lets lift the sanctions, ukraine, tell us what sanctions we eliminated, exactly that black sea fleet the fleet without any help. Well, how did the kid show the sows how beautifully . Well, they were all so ironically called babes and babes, sea babies who enter the black sea, destroy ships and so on in this crimean bridge , and so on, if it were not for the circumstances that are now they appear there with the same ilona mask that seems to have started so powerfully. Profit from the war in ukraine they are not our enemies, they want to get profit, we need to communicate with them, what elon musk said clearly and clearly, the service was in english, the service was not provided in crimea at that time, that is, he was not there, starlinka next you must also understand im not zakhy ilona masks, i just understand what you are, im just no, im talking about the very idea of ​​how much our partners will tolerate the expansion of us as military er military campuses of this kind of time to spend time to spend first wait how did we israel asked uh what how to react you know, the country of israel would have been gone for a long time, we should get out of our National Interests , build weapons, build missiles, and then do what we need, and then, you know , let the diplomats smear it, its their job, just like i did to israel, i clean up those who most of all say yes, and now the diplomats are going to figure it out, that is, we must understand that the world is so, the question of the destroyed black sea fleet of the Russian Federation can also be a question for our partners and this red line that they simply will not allow it to be crossed for one reason or another. We today maksym and i mentioned the bill, which has already been approved, passed both houses of congress and was submitted by republicans and democrats about the navy and the military forces of the United States and its partners in order to well, i think that here it is more about partners to personally create a combat group in the black sea. So i also think that the issue of the black sea is because there is a doctrinal mantra that was written in the 34th year. The state and organize the ships of the countries that are already on the black sea side should become part of this headquarters, what is the problem , only we will have a headquarters that will hear the Russian Federation, do we live here . Built into the interests of the United States of america, for example, in the black sea. Please, i will tell you that they are austin who said a long time ago that last year, when the first missiles arrived in hungary, what he said then ironically in anglosaxon , the United States of america will not hold back the development of longrange weapons translation from the diplomatic point of view, they repeatedly said this go out wherever you want, as much as you want, the only condition is not with our weapons, thank you, mr. Valery, you said that you started watching the interview with agil with the growth of zd, and from what he said, he said that the war will obviously be dragged out in a political way and for the sake of political goals, i wanted you to share this opinion, well, i can partly agree with him because what i see today is the problem with the supply of weapons, they are connected, first of all, with the corruption component in ukraine, but they can also be a reason for the fact that schedules are shifting to practical moments in the United States of america. Well, after the strategic goal of weakening russia on the f16 has already been postponed three or four times , you understand, well, these are my observations the moment of the fact that it is not just necessary to defeat russia today on the battlefield , it is necessary to make it so that it does not fight later. How to do this, the sanctions policy that our partner countries began to introduce, first of all, a largescale invasion. Well, the leader is only worth it. You know this pirate oil fleet that i have now, together with erdogan, they export oil there to the mediterranean sea. This is classic world smuggling. Eyes, but less so, but it was a problem for russia, they solved it in this way. The problem was with the supply of components for their air defense system. They also solved it in another way. Contraband, parallel import is legal for them. Well, that means you are black. Nau bought this mass, this is mountains. Money is literally the word, that is, another problem has arisen before the world today, and it must be solved so that russia does not have this, because i have a Firm Conviction that the americans , englishmen and europeans could already give us a sufficient number of weapons so that we simply knock the russians out of the territory of ukraine, but then the question is what is the demographic resource that your interlocutor spoke about in russia , the demographic resource of russia, their ability now to pick up weapons around the world well, it is not by chance that the meetings with north korea were mentioned, this is a sign that they are doing well not very well in russia, but still but still is holding on, they are holding on well, that is why it is important now for the world, for everything, to really break the backbone of russia so that it is not like me now , the western partners of the United States of america , the europeans speak with one voice that we are not interested variables of russias political regime , no one will touch the political regime , but we will not blindly trust because they believe, they cannot say otherwise, the task is completely different. We cannot freeze the conflict because the task will be repeated , there is no other way to give an opportunity for it to be repeated. Unfortunately, we have no other way to speed up this process. I tried to speed up this process. I absolutely agree that we need to pedal the issue of the development and production of our own weapons today. Thank god. My own experience of volunteering, what is there . Well, you talk to the guys, what can i say, they dont complain about weapons anymore, as it was before, because it was generally trash, well, i dont want to answer. What happened with the beginning of the invasion, now the problem is another problem of material support, transport ko wheels, letter just wheels, its the arches, the problem is youre collecting it again for two pickups, you know the weapons plusminus in comparison, of course , but you need more its definitely so, thats why i have hope that in a Strategic Plan , the United States of america will also arrive blinkin how for me it wasnt because he came to announce something, he just came, its a farewell, he came and thats all, hes in ukraine , thats the most important point that needs to be explained, and well, the russians see it perfectly, and the western partners see it, and the president of finland, who began to doubt, he also sees. Well, wait, not everything is as it seemed, and on the approach of the vote on the draft law in the senate about 25 billion dollars in addition, he also sees this, and kandali zarais says , the republican is not accidental, calm down. Vladivostok, he is not going here, he is going that way, and that is a big plus. Therefore, despite the fact that, i see, in any case , we must also take up the homework that you are talking about, for the fact that in the parliament, we must everywhere to speed up this process, what taras says must be speeded up, because the truth will be given, but not the truth itself. Ukraine as an independent Democratic State for 346 glory to ukraine glory to you Blue Mountains covered with ice ivan the knight and great by god dont forget fight you will win god helps you truth smeared and will ask the years of the creation of the state, two years of the restoration of independence. We are somehow afraid, we see, we laugh through tears, we shudder at the news here and abroad, in the trenches and in the rear, and with all our might we grit our teeth and move on, because we have something that does not extinguish our secret power the source of which is in ourselves, every day, every second, february 24, life has stopped. What to do, how to live on, no one needs me, i dont need acting, i dont need a way out. Suddenly, my neighbor found a way out tomorrow and gave it to me, and when my friend was going to the front, he passed the armed forces, i gave it to him and told him to wear it. It warms you, then i received a letter, my friend, it is necessary for everyone. I tried to take it myself. These hands cant tie anything. Its not a masterpiece, but its a very warm thing, its the same in life, so its difficult for you to find a way out. Do you want to learn how to help yourself and others . Go to the site how are you. Com nationwide telethon on the air of channel 1 1 we have discussions in the studio and we are talking about the International Track now lets read as i said in front of tsn the signs and what these or other events will mean these or other the same ones that are now very very much uh valeriy klychok, olena mashovets and, uh, zagorodnyi. Today we have people present. What have we seen . President biden. Ive already told blinky one question. I still want to close the case. With blinkins arrival, you know , we men need to finish this shelf, after all. Its an interesting thing. Valeriu talked about how to break russias spine after all, and that blinky brought us new things. I heard from him that america for the first time clearly said that it was ready to hand over the confiscated assets, the first batch for five and a half million. This is the beginning this is a new process the opening of this box reigns, we can talk about the 300 billion that we are so waiting for. Allow me, but here is a very interesting story. With half a million, not billions, and this money was confiscated from the United States of america somewhere for 56 years, this was a criminal trial, the usual one , which specifically concerns the assets of the Russian Oligarch malafeev, who owns tsargrad. Well, for perspective, but a separate law in the world there is no such thing as an example of taking russian assets and transferring them to ukraine. There isnt even canada. By and large, it can be considered yes, but here it is, and you need to understand the essence of how it happened. At the time of strilkovs bittern in the donbas and he saved terrorism in ukraine and his wealth in the usa was simply used to finance what is prohibited by the current legislation of the investigative United States of america violation of a criminal case and the opportunity to transfer this money to ukraine only became possible when the usa passed a special law at the end of last year, when the us attorney general has the right to simply make a decision on the basis of a Court Decision to transfer this money to ukraine , that is, we must understand the complexity of this process if, for example, you consider everything after all, it still exists alone. Yes, i have traditionally not seen all of them. If we talk about the european union, the european Judicial Union three times last year and this year spoke about the general fact that we are about to we are preparing some kind of lawrecommendations for the legislation, but there is none. Well, look at it in a good way. Nobody wants to give anything. I will tell you why. Because it leads the activity of ukraine, it depends on the fact that when the money enters the western Financial System and everything is equal, there is also private property and here there is a difference between state money and private money, so if in reality there is a precedent and in the plans of zasum law there is a precedent there is a precedent law, this is good, it is a step, but here there is also a difference between the jurisdictions of the dolayova and jurisdictions and the jurisdiction of the euro, the euro has always