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And we have a guest from the lithuanian brotherhood, the chairman of the Constitutional Court of lithuania from the 14th to the 20th year and now you are a free person in this iron in general. Good day, you are fine. Now you can breathe when you are no longer the chairman of the Constitutional Court and now you can tell us everything. Was mm very open on all questions, including barobek, the fight against corruption, and then where would it be very relevant, well, except for the resistance to russian aggression . So , why did you manage to have a Constitutional Court all the time, such as a sufficiently open and transparent body and in our country, even despite the reform, the Constitutional Court always has a difficult time, and sometimes it is even odious. Because there were periods when our Constitutional Court engaged in a constitutional coup detat, for example, with the terms of the president kuchmi when they counted them one plus one plus one anyway two well, thats it well, in my opinion, i think its just the Consular Court naturally it can be an instrument of the political authorities to solve their questions thats why they didnt always deal with him, who didnt say easily by the way, things are very good in lithuania now because, well, if you compare when i was the head, then we brought 78 to the case. Court for certain case judges and judges of the state sometimes think about their future and thats why they dont want to quarrel with politicians let s say that there is a permanent dilemma i see a few problems here, first of all, there are all unfilled vacancies, even such an impression is created , perhaps because the court practically cannot work because there are no five judges now , yes, yes, yes, yes. The most important cases, you can do it for someone, and the second question is , you know, we faced it. Why did the Ukrainian Court take away your time . But the main thing is that they saved some of their own. Yes , what is clear here, eh, nothing, probably new. I think in all countries, such calls are available only in ukraine, and they cannot be, eh, they were ostra boleh ostrov is more pronounced than some other ukrainians, and what are some positives, what kind of promotion in sudomiy, reforms in ukraine, in general, in the activity of judges in ukraine, do you trace whether everything is really so bad and difficult now in our country . Said, for example, er, i am already the future here, i was talking about how to correctly select conveniently well, it is necessary to check the reverse, it is the most difficult, probably, it is still possible, but the main thing is that there is no such thing as what is really happening, that there are people who dont really understand what they are doing, that is, give them a clean sheet of paper and he wont write five in a days time , thats the problem. Changes, im really afraid to make a mistake now, but in my opinion, some of the most controversial courts are simply liquidated, so the frankivsky district administrative or something after many years. I would like to see that people who would be motivated to work would actually be selected from the international aid. Honestly, by the way, the material side in ukraine. Well, i am sometimes surprised that it is better resolved than in european countries. They want to compare the salary of judges , which is twice as much in ukraine as in lithuania. I wanted to try the ukrainian practice in lithuania , the experience, er, apply it, you have such , literally yesterday, there was a highprofile situation, well , one judge was very scandalized, well, thats all, he was sent away, dismissed from his post, sent away now he has 100,000 hryvnias each guaranteed until death and a longer pension , and this despite the fact that there is now no place to put a stigma on him, well , our practice is ukrainian, you could imagine as a judge , including the chairman of the Constitutional Court. Well, for example, you would drive a at high speed, a little under a degree there, they crushed someone with a pestle , they waved at you, too, probably you untouchables, too, you probably need a gun, and then they guaranteed a big , big, big pension, that could be and you know me, its really hard here, well, whats in in ukraine, indeed, because of churnoga , for example, here are these big salaries. I dont understand especially during the war , and it was like they said 10,000 during the war. The chairman of the heads of the Supreme Court , who was already caught in such a way that it shows that not only do you put the most important ones, but in lithuania there are not many such guarantees that are available in ukraine. Judges of lithuania and we why . I dont know why this is necessary. If the police stop you, you wont threaten them with all the snakes. лишаюtся запреtлённый grounds for dismissal, such as drunk driving, this is a discrediting of the judiciary, and they are killing at roadblocks, eh, on our defenders , they still want them. Once with drunk driving no they turned him because he was his own eto in lithuania, well, the truth is, they didnt run over anyone, they just caught him in the morning with ease, its said with ease well, yes, yes, yes, regarding their own but in ukraine, judges, and the Constitutional Court is generally a sacred thing, they always try somewhere there someone use it to advance their interests to lead the case where it is necessary. And here i have a question. In ukraine , we do not have such experience and others. Is it possible to make the Constitutional Court completely independent of any such internal factors of the political preferences of the ruling party and so on, so that it would be a completely independent structure that would make independent and fair decisions. I think it is possible. Well , there is an upcoming selection of new judges with the participation of International Experts. I think it will show how much. It depends subjectively on what kind of person comes. Actually, when we hear the arguments that you make, they say. Well, what do these competitions with International Experts give you, if you have the head of the Supreme Court, well, he passed through the center есtь совокупносtь аа all the circumstances that must be taken into account when selecting a court аа firstly, in connection with where he came from, secondly , there are different declarations, but really , there should not be what i call the signs of illegal enrichment in the third, as i have already said. This is from my experience, i could say with confidence even about the judges of lithuania, but it is necessary to give a blank sheet of paper and write the text clearly without any help, i guarantee you that half of the candidates will drop out immediately. So thats a lot of things here. I cant guess everything, but its really possible. Thats when well have a really unrelenting court. Thats why sometimes these International Experts are needed so that they dont slander all these possible internal connections that i understand exist, so that they can select more so objectively, we are often in the courthouse, your test didnt work because there are people there, such dangerous intellectuals, who will not bind the subject of the predicate, secondary members of the sentence , even for one minute, if they are asked for something to comment, but on the other hand, we also have all kinds of filtering bodies that should stop this, in particular integrity, so they catch it, they say listen, well, look well, at 93 years old, your mother cant be er cooler than elon musk and you hung so many things on her goods and billions. And after that, this person goes further, goes further in steps, that is, they do not stop him, because who is the problem of these organs that are selected, in fact, this is what you said there, it is not necessary to start some criminal case there, it is simply necessary. Thats it. Stop further selection, and on the other hand, i am a cinematographer, but when you watch some such thrillers , uh, criminal things were put on by everyone there , lithuania is often mentioned as one of those places where you can definitely wash something, they will solve something , even that it is a country of the European Union, they invent on netflix, is there really such abomination about lithuanians . I think that this can be the case, in fact, because i can even have my own experience and say that when i was the head of the Constitutional Court, they asked me , well, of course, i did not do it. Of ukraine, they will help to launder some money in lithuania, well, which were frozen , apparently Something Like this is happening. Here, too, it is necessary to say some critical words about our Law Enforcement system, that it is incapable, probably all of this will be prevented. можеt быtь, well, putin will be arrested. What do you think about this warrant, which was issued to see someone, let anyone do it, this is the warrant issued by the International Criminal court, gaga главная, the main thing is that this is a warrant , and this already shows that, well, peace is generally coming. е позигиtельным недвижимосtь but what will arrest him and i think there are two main conditions either or or a complete victory of ukraine that i believe well, everything will be real, thats when this physical opportunity can appear and there will be some kind of radical change in power in russia and when i will simply not profitable to keep you will fulfill such a putin there, mylosevicher. Well, it happened so that, ah, i think that he will calmly finish his life , although, unfortunately, yesterday lukashenko may have had such a wind, and we are working on it. This is one of my activities. Now, i think the order would be cooperation on the protection of ukrainian children is said this is true and if a special tribunal for aggression is created, then lukashenko must go there together with putin because we know belarus, it directly provides territory for aggression against ukraine and aand in the third ee we raise this idea can be for the time being more in lithuania together with the Belarusian Democratic forces, which is also there, a special tribunal for lukashenko is also necessary. Deaths have been working since the 90s. That is, you document it in the same way, or how is it true here . Substitute for that and some others. So this is a crime against humanity, well, against humanity, which is also available under international law, and of course , because it is on a wide scale, uh, on such a scale, and the systemic politics of the state will like this, in this way, all the democratic resistance, so that here , too, a crime against humanity that can be the object of scrutiny by a special tribunal, but as for the tribunal, if it were to look like that, we understand that in history there are examples of how various tribunals took place and in in this case, we will go according to some template scenario. After all, many years have passed, the situation is actually completely different and we probably need some other approach, some exclusive tribunal, so that it looks proper, that all the nuances are taken into account. In fact, a special tribunal is needed more than that. And so, for the crime of aggression , the International Criminal court does not have it and the division of the International Criminal court, and for that, a special tribunal is needed. Why . Because the crime of aggression is the cause of the cause of the cause, the biggest crime is the cause of the cause of everything that happens in ukraine in general, and thats why its a paradox that the process would take much less time to prove , because what is there to prove take putins words, all uh , there are decrees, decrees , i dont know, laws that were adopted during the war against ukraine, and everything and everything is already in plain sight. Who allowed the annexation of ukrainian territories five times, they also have to go to this tribunal, but it is more clear here for the top political and uh, military, but why do we still need this tribunal, ah, probably because he was a smoker, i think he will condemn what we we call ideologies of russianism so that one, like nazism, is gone and what should it look like physically, that is, there are different symbolic places, for example , pereyaslav is recommended to us , i like it better, in fact, we have already decided that it will still be in the gag well, yes, and there this already worked, i dont remember what exactly the name is, but the Collection Center has proven that there is an International Center in the future that is potentially supposed to become the Prosecutors Office of the future tribunal of many countries already collecting these testimonies and transferring them centrally, that is, the information is a very important point we want to use your experience. What is the Constitutional Court in ukraine . First of all, it gives permission for certain legislative initiatives and says, no , it does not contradict the constitution in our country. In this case, unfortunately, in addition to the war , there is also a sad legal experience, because the political situation and the law school are quite specific in our country right now, you know the kvniv law school. He is from legal players because he first says it is possible in the constitution does not prohibit Holding Elections in ukraine during the war, then the second series of kvn then the constitution does not allow us to talk about any elections and all this is carried out by one person and this head it is true that the time span of the parliament is very short. We are in such a situation. Unfortunately, it is also in the rear. And now, in principle, it seems that the time has come to change the government, because this is a democratic procedure , and on the other hand, it is working on martial law , which directly prohibits it, plus the constitution , we need a constitutional the court said something, so far they are silent, so if it is so on the entire flank, whether to hold elections or not. Well, in order for what the Constitutional Court said, it is necessary that it be invited to interpret the constitution on this issue. So, well, it can be the same the same politics, uh, earn money. And if you ask me that in general , for international experience, i can say that on well , for example, the lithuanian constitution directly prohibits elections during martial law, and this is not accidental, since i do not believe that it is possible at all, but open democratic a and really free elections during martial law is that well, anyway, there is some censorship, eh, there are some territories where you cant hold these elections in any way, or you will become a very easy target, eh, even for the russians , eh, and in the end, and maybe to be so the activity of the party is still different during martial law, so here i personally, even with his understanding, relate to this , although this proposal of american colleagues is generally a requirement to hold elections , in my opinion, they should be postponed until the end times, which is yes. So far, yes. Well, because its not obvious, even more questions may arise about the legitimacy of the authorities. In fact, yes, and there is one moment that i really want to ask you. Will you return to lithuania . Tell us. Lithuania has given us a lot of shelter. Er, ukrainian refugees simply have very different experiences in different countries. In some countries, citizens who look more russian tourists than in ukrainian citizens got there, and there are scandals with all kinds of leps and boohl and discos, like those ukrainians who are in lithuania, how did they settle in like their lithuanians and they interpret and the main thing is that they behave. I think that they have taken root very well, or that they interpret it very well, and i dont see any such accesses that could draw any conclusions from what was taken, but the truth is here, er, russian the design and formation machine is also not standing