The real name today. Start with bo dietl whether or not they made the right choice. Took a while to come out today, what do you make of it . Doesnt mean anything, they wanted to do their investigation, and they felt as though they could be some problems for the officer, so they wanted to conduct an investigation, and with what you saw with this riot situation going on with molotov cocktails. People looting, people setting stores on fire, and you had a real serious situation going on down there. They wanted to protect the people. Some people think its suspect, fishy, that the release of the officers name comes the same day when the images of the Convenience Store is released. Somebody they think is Michael Brown robbing the store before he is shot. What do you make of the two . Im looking at the video. A pretty big man, an obvious thing that there was a robbery by force. What does that tell you in terms of the investigation of the shooting, if anything . You have Police Officers looking for somebody who committed a strong arm robbery. If he fit the description the officers supposedly confronted him and supposedly, sketchy information, i feel inadequate telling you. We dont have enough information about the circumstances that led up to the shooting. But they talked about that today. Something happened in the police car, allegedly he struck the officer, a bullet went off in the radio car, and the main witness is supposedly the guy he was in the store with. Theres a lot of variables. What weve got to realize right now, what the people doing in missouri is totally wrong. You have to wait for the due process of law to find out what happened. By robbing somebody elses property, setting it on fire, throwing molotov cocktails, what does it do . You have the race beta, al sharptonrousing it up. We got to find out the facts. Who is impressive is the captain from the state police whos been there the last couple of days. This guy ron johnson, who seems to yeah. He is going in with a relationship with them. Hes in the march, hes talking to them, he respects them. You got to bring them down. People look for an excuse to steal, set fires. Whether the cop is wrong or right, what does that do by stealing other peoples property . Remember rodney king, 60 innocent people were killed. I was here with the 77 riots with the blackouts. People were killed, robbing, burning, what does that do . I believe in peaceful demonstration, they should peacefully demonstrate about what feelings are, thats what makes america great. You dont steal peoples property. Not when you are throwing molotov cocktails. Well, the cops were dressed in paramilitary stuff . What are you supposed to do wear a tutu . It almost looks like military rather than police. Someone is throwing molotov cocktails at me or throwing objects at me, i want a helmet on, i want a shield, i want to protect myselfment the show of strength is a big deterrent. When i was a homicide detective i had a sawedoff shotgun, i popped that sucker open, i put two shells in there, and the guy had guns on many occasions, the guy would say to me, look, dont do nothing, i have a gun in my side. Put your hands on. Never, ever show a sign of strength, people are less apt to do bad things. Dont have to use it. Bo dietl, good to see you. Connell, remember, you dont get law and order from doing what theyre doing. Thank you. This is getting a lot of attention from all sides. Many from the left and the right are joining senator rand pauls call to demilitarize the police. We go to reason editor in chief matt welch saying its not the first time the police have gone too far. Bo has a different point of view he was expressing, not just people like rand paul that may be from your side of things, libertarian, but the people on the left say too, look at the tanks in the streets . A lot of people are saying that right now. Libertarians talking about this for ten years, that place is like reason and the cato institute. There was a vote by alan grayson, a progressive from florida about halting the transfers from the Defense Department to all the local police forces, 460 Million Dollars a year. Only 65 or so Congress People backed. That 43 democrats, 20 or so republicans. This is post9 11 policy, not that many people argued with at the time. And we saw in new york after 9 11, it was like a military, it felt like you were in a place of order. Of all places it would be new york where that makes sense. And we understood it then. Here we are however many years later, and boy have we gone too far . Did you think it should never have happened in the first place . I dont think there should be a set program taking military equipment than protecting our rights and our peace which is what the local police force do. Military are involved in offensive, defensive war, i dont think it is appropriate for hundreds of cities across this country to have tanks, to have armored carry vehicles. They use these to enforce drug warrants oftentimes and s. W. A. T. Team raids and basically to execute warrants. That is not a proper use the police force and equipment for the most part. I think some of the people might make an argument that in certain cases we need this. But then i would probably say but in all cases do you have to use it . In other words, if ron johnson is the captain taking over the investigation says no, here now, its not appropriate. Does that necessarily mean we have to completely eliminate giving these departments this type of equipment . Maybe there is another use for it. Maybe buy their own stuff, to the extent they feel they need this equipment, purchase it. I dont think we need a federal program to transfer military equipment to police units who havent been trained in it previously, whose life day to day doesnt require that type of stuff. And look at what ron johnson did. This got peaceful in ferguson when the police said we dont need to point these rifles with laser pointers. Interesting, exactly the opposite of what bo was making his point a few minutes ago, if you show so much force, youre less likely to have a violent confrontation. What he was saying is ultimately incoherent, yeah, i would say it to his face, ron johnson did a great job and always show maximum force. Ron johnson didnt show maximum force, he did a great job, he defused the situation because they stopped treating Peaceful Protesters like potential criminals and the situation got a lot better. The essential message goes back to big government, getting too involved in places it shouldnt be. Rand paul and the aclu, left right coalition is sa shouldnt be treating american citizens like subjects in a war that we should not have the overgross militarization to execute warrants and keep the peace on civil protests. Showing the images from ferguson earlier in the week, it literally was like a war zone. To the extent people are rioting, you need a Strong Police force, what you dont need is shooting tear gas canisters into peoples front lawns while standing there, which is one of the many things we saw. We dont need people pointing rifles at people with hands up. Dont need any of that, as a general rule, you shouldnt be withholding information like they are with the autopsy report and other things. Seen leaders on opposite ends you would think of the political spectrum agreeing on. That which is interesting, i dont know if thats the right word. Matt welch, you can see more from matt next hour on the independents right here on the fox business network, check that out. Next, the real threat were not ready for . A formal Central Intelligence director says one attack on us could take out 90 of our population. Hes here to explain it for himself next. Connell the major threat were not prepared for. Next guests say one emp attack could cause a nationwide blackout that would take out more of the of our population. James woolsey is with us, and peter pry on the dangers that were not ready for, and mr. Woolsey, let me begin with you, this is an issue, we talk a lot, ive done a special on it and reports over and over about cyberattacks and all kinds of things we might face as a nation, we dont talk about electromagnetic pulse, something that can go after the electric grid and take it out. How real is the potential about an attack like this in your view . Well, planets like the sun have been emitting electromagnetic pulses for billions of years, we have been hit by these on earth going back a long, long time, and occasionally one such as in 1989 in canada would knock out a huge amount of electronics. The problem is that our electronics is getting more and more vulnerable. The electronics that we have today is about a million times more vulnerable than what was here in the early 60s, when we were still Testing Nuclear weapons in the atmosphere and could measure what the effect was. So the problem is not only do you have naturally occurring electromagnetic pulses from the sun, but a very similar type of phenomenon can be produced by detonating a Nuclear Weapon in orbit somewhere between, say, 40 and several hundred miles above the earth, and depending where you detonate it, it can create a huge takedown of our infrastructure, because we got 18 Critical Infrastructures in the country and 17 depend on electricity. So the electric grid goes, Everything Else goes too. Connell we hear that all the time. Hearing it described in this way and how it would play out, its quite frankly scary. And peter to you, for a moment. Before we get into who might have the capability to carry out an attack like this and those issues, you can talk more about the mechanics if people dont understand how the threat like Something Like this might occur . Sure, a Nuclear Weapon detonated high over the United States would generate this electromagnetic pulse, which is basically a superenergetic radio wave, more powerful than lightning and faster than lightning, and unlike lightning which is a point phenomena, it puts down an emp field that would cover the continental United States. Connell the weapon would have to get over the land mass, the United States, it has to be hovering over it . You could do it by satellite as the North Koreans practiced during the Nuclear Crisis in 2013 when they flew the ksm 3 satellite over the United States and apparently were practicing. That or you could do it by a meteorlogical balloon or even by aircraft if you were willing to detonate it at lower altitudes like 30 kilometers. Connell what about capability, jim woolsey . Who has the legitimate capability or threat right now . All you really need is a Nuclear Weapon and a booster that can put it to orbit, simple Ballistic Missile like a scud, and the Nuclear Weapon can be simple, it does not have to be sophisticated at all. And we have of course russia and china have this capability, but unfortunately the russians tell us theyve been working with the North Koreans, they told us years ago, and the North Koreans have something very much like this capability. The next scary country that will probably develop it is iran because iran has the Ballistic Missiles and launchers and everything they need except for the Nuclear Weapon, and theyre very, very close to having that, and our negotiating position in dealing with the iranians makes it pretty likely theyre going to have highly enriched uranium before too long. Connell we started this discussion out by pointing out how you gentlemen dont think weve done enough to prepare as a nation. How about that, peter . Where are we on preparation says in falling behind . Unfortunately, the nation is utterly vulnerable to emp and no excuse for it. The commission on which i served in 2008 made a plan for protecting the country at low cost. It would only cost 2 billion dollars. Connell whats a couple things we can do . Harden highvoltage transformers using surge arresters and blocking devices. They have been used for 50 years to protect military systems. We know how to do it. The problem is the politics in washington. The electronic power lobby doesnt want the proper bills passed like the shield act, an been stalled for three years and needs to pass to protect the National Electric grid. Another is the Critical Infrastructure protection act, neither of the bills is given the priority that is needed to get them passed. Interesting, what about you in terms of priority, jim woolsey . Something you think about a lot . Youve been talking and thinking about it, it doesnt seem its getting enough attention or a lot of attention. Really, the priorities are really a serious problem. The Defense Department is sort of trying to slough this off onto the department of Homeland Security and tries to slough it off to the Defense Department because nobody wants to pay for it. As peter said the electric power and Utility Companies are lobbying so there wont be increase, even a tiny one in the price of electricity. 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Colin, funny, i live in texas, im close to governor rick perrys initiative to shore up borders as are most of our viewers. I do believe, and by the way, this is part of a 50 Million Dollar package going to ukraine, not just the 435 k, but something going on here. We need to protect ourselves against the putin problem, there is something that needs to be done over there. At the same time, you know, congress has enacted on helping us here and governor rick perry has used state money to back our borders. Ive got a problem with it, but its a necessary evil. A story were using to facilitate a story about immigration there, just because were doing something there doesnt mean we have to do it here or vice versa. Still, immigration is a big issue here, and going into the midterms it seems its polling very, very well for the republicans and looks like its an issue they could take advantage of. Look at where congressional ratings are right now. At alltime lose. The president s rating is at an alltime low. You know what . You guys need to come together and fix this problem. When we have border offices taking care of children that are being housed and changing diapers and making formula, that is not the most effective use of taxpayer dollars. Connell so many other things. This has been a big week in the news, everything is going ooverseas and the story in ferguson. Immigration is a huge story. Understanding republicans can bring it back . They have to, on the focal front because everybody is talking about it, its in the headlines, every single day, everyone is concerned about it. Of course were compassionate, we feel bad for the families and children trying to come into the country, but we also have to protract our own. I happen to be from st. Louis, i look at situation there and i feel badly for that situation, too. Its time we all come together and work as people in this country. Connell horrible situation, almost as if on the immigration issue its not the specifics that people get into. We did a fox poll, people want something done about immigration, thats why i say this is a political advantage for the republicans, its not we want to build a fence or do that, we want to show something were tackling this issue . I was talking about what rick perry is doing. Were going to spend 12 Million Dollars a week in texas like you said, susan, changing diapers, tending to the basics. This is money spent so haphazardly when it could be applied so efficiently in other areas. The faa hasnt approved the drones to be used along the borders. Kids are flying drones all over the street. Were just throwing millions almost down the drain. That is the part that bothered me and the rest of the american public. Connell you like what perry is doing . I do, i think you need to do something, and again, listen as much