The fact of the matter is it is growth being curbed, not the programs themselves. Look at this. The Congressional Budget Office says we spent 100 last year and were supposed to spend 106 this year. For a lot of people anything less than 1107 is a cut. There are no medicaid cuts in terms of ordinary human beings refer to a cut. Were not spending less money one year than we did before. Were growing medicaid more slowly over the 10year budget window. Neil i want to repeat again, if you were to follow the traditional media describing this budget, this isnt a protrump or antitrump statement here, the fact of the matter here it is the biggest budget in american history, 4 trillion worth of spending. Every single major entitlement, every Single Program will be getting more money than was originally going to be the case down the road. Now, what was curbed was the growth. In other words the growth of spending, medicaid, you heard a lot about that. Still over the next 10year it will be getting over 5 trillion. It will be growing at a rate that is easily double the inflation rate. Last year, it grew at triple the inflation rate. That is simply not sustainable. Then to the issue of the growth built into this package. Some people are expressing some surprise, hi, how are you doing. Expressing some surprise, that it is going to be unrealistic, or that it cant be sustained. 3 growth can not be sustained. With we used to average a great deal more. Looking at this budget and questioning how realistic it is that is fair game because both parties do this when theyre in power. The office of management and budget is looking to do here and remember who pays the bills. Independent Women Forum President joins us and Daily Foundation editor, Chris Bedford and democratic strategist richard goodstein. I know you dont share my sentiment, thats fine. I am saying we forget the all the fact this whining about medicaid and people are going to be left off the rolls, medicaid is still growing. It will still grow. It will just not grow as much. Why is that deemed draconian . Neil, you have a very discerning audience. I hope they all realize what david stockman, a republican said is that this is budget that is dead before arrival, and among the people, i will not name a democrat, who think that this budget is entirely unrealistic and actually pretty draconian are American Enterprise institute and center for federal budget. Neil just address the medicaid portion how that is draconian, what do these people think. Here is the problem. Were not going to cut our way, neil, out of deficits. We need to grow. Neil were not cutting. Were not doing any cutting . Dont take my word for it. The American Enterprise institute is not a show for democrats. Theyre calling it a cut. Your beef is with them. Neil no, my beef, if theyre calling it that then theyre wrong too. Just like if you have something budgeted that is going from 100, as director said to 107 population is growing. Neil that i guess is cut off the growth you assumed would be the case but it is not a total cut. It is not going 100 to 99, right . Population is growing. This is repeat of the debate, i remember vividly from 20 some years ago when republicans in congress, when they took majorities, proposed almost exactly the same thing. We had the exact same debate. It was a political debacle for the republicans. So honestly, just as partisan i encourage you to egg on the white house to go for this. Neil i egg on everybody. Because i think we do have to get control over things. By the way, not you, my friend, but a lot of democrats to bemoan chasing and getting into debt, that is a little bit rich. But let me just, Chris Bedford, help me with this, this notion that this is a very austere, very tough budget. I guess you could make the argument if you are looking at medicaid and you were planning, you know, basically of the yellow line were looking at, from medicaid spending was going to be the case. Replace it with blue line, not call for as much of an increase, that is deemed draconian weve got problems. It is only draconian that barack obama laid out perfectly honey trap for republican governors. He made it too sweet for them to ignore. As part of his plan to expand obamacare federal government would match 100 of funds, would pay for massive Medicaid Expansion in states, cover people who didnt have disabilities covered people who didnt have children or werent elderly, groups like that, cato and conservative groups, guys you will really regret this. This money will run out. c eventually it happened and republicans are panicking. All of these guys are saying, all the white house is putting forward, theyre going to make the states responsible for that have to deal with that and spend less. Year after year after year, get government expectations how much medicaid is going to cost, when we get to the year they made that prediction it is more than double. They have not only neil bottom line is, it is bottom line to me. Yeah. Neil by the way, i would disagree with a lot of republicans dont even touch defense. If you cant find savings in 600 billiondollar budget youre not looking very hard. I believe everything should be on the table. Should look at medicare, social security, to protect it for the future, pare its growth to find some way to avoid day of comeuppance money wont be there. I think that could be sooner than later. Having said that, what im looking at here is a budget that doesnt seem too crazy to me. I mean what seems crazy is continuing to assume that medicaid, for example, can continue growing at 9. 7 clip, quadruple unflation rate. That is unsustainable. Absolutely. You know, i think when you look at what is happening with medicaid and with the entire growth of the budget, at some point this has to stop. We cant run deficits forever. Talking about medicaid, what is really important we need to focus on getting the program back to serving its beneficiaries. Because real problem with medicaid it has grown so much. We put so many people on the medicaid program, that services are no longer able, there are no longer equipped to take care of all those people. One reason weve got, one reason we need larger Health Care Reform so medicaid can get back to doing the job it was suppose todd do. We can encourage more people who cant afford it to get private health care and not be on the medicaid rolls which is making it the quality of care for those who really need it worse. Also making it so expensive. Neil what i worry about, richard, both parties play this game, im not just faulting democrats here but this idea that if you do want to trim the growth in something, that, you are calling it a cut or going so far calling haterless cut. When i look at snap, for example, the modern day food stamp program, 44 million are getting that type of benefit, im not saying they are genuinely starving people in this country that need that help but if were at the point i said repeatedly that 44 million need that, then weve got bigger problems than just item line in a budget. The fact it was 28 million less than eight years ago which was double what it was eight years prior to that. That is not sustainable. That is not realistic, right . You and i agree that, i believe, that the way out of this is growth, not cutting, but the problem with this deficit neil no it is both. It is both. I agree but as regards the health care, and Student Loans and nutrition, mark meadows says these cuts to wheels on meals are crazy. He is not exactly somebody who the left is looking to for guidance. Problem, that if were neil dont you see that, guys, were being sucked into the media game. Chris i would fault anyone who just uses some of these terms, throws them out there, like cuts, to give you the sense that, oh, it is a heartless budget or that it is, draconian or severe or its overdone. It is 4 trillion plus budget. It is the richest budget on planet earth by far, by far. All of the major western european nations combined dont even come close. So Chris Bedford, how is that severe . It is not severe at all. It is a huge spending increase. Basically none of these major programs have been cut. Things, speaking of sustainability which really do threaten the foundation of our country and our future, things like medicare and things like social security, which donald trump pledged in the campaign trail continued in his budget, i am not going to touch those. First well focus on medicaid. Through medicaid, people who were, especially people covered by medicaid before this massive expansion the lasted a administration touted so proudly, they will be fine, they will continue with their coverage. People who have been expanded to, covered by the states with this huge federal handout that president obamad planned, those people, states will have to decide, well it will cost me more to doc this. I will have to spend some myself. All of your points, of course growth is certainly the way forward but you are not going to get growth if you dont stop spending so much of u. S. s money, taxpayers money, people who fund it on the programs that arent even working. Neil to richards point, cara, there is way to work growth into this. Growth wi go a long way,3 growth, people are fawning that is unrealistic, we used to grow a lot more. Even allowing for even 3 growth unrealistic deemed by a lot of folks over the 2 growth weve been averaging. That alone would mean youre looking at potentially, potentially, 50 more in revenues, something that could really benefit this economy and benefit american workers. Im saying when we close off that debate, saying, no, no, youre going too far were losing the opportunity to look after folks who pay the bills. Not just folks who get stuff . Absolutely. We need to be focused on growing economy. Not only good for tax receipts. More importantly good for the people. We need people to be earning more, to have better job opportunities. For all the people working at jobs that arent paying enough or working part time, want fulltime jobs. The most important thing is job creation so they dont key pend on things like medicaid, snap, all the programs are supposed to be for people who are in need. Lets grow to make sure there are notes many people in need that. Is win win for everyone. Neil we have to do both. We watch it closely, you guys argue your points very, very well, richard even you. Joking there. I want to bring your attention to other developments. Well follow the spending thing. The president arrived in rome with others. He will meet for pope francis scheduled for tomorrow. Wre waiting for update in manchester, england on the latest on the attack that killed 22, injured 59 others. How did it happen, why did it happen, and i want you to focus for a second on the size of the city. Manchester is not a paris, not a london, it is not a brussels, much smaller city. Half a million. Would be like toledo, ohio, or raleigh, North Carolina. That changes the debate or changes the target of what could be targets. Were on that after this. Ive spent my life planting a sizesix, nonslip shoe into that door. On this side, i want my customers to relax and enjoy themselves. But these days its phones before forks. They want wifi out here. But behind that door, i need a private connection for my business. Wifi pro from comcast business. Public wifi for your customers. Private wifi for your business. Strong and secure. Good for a door. And a network. Comcast business. Built for security. Built for business. Neil all right. You are looking at live shots coming in Madison Square garden, new yorks times square, where cities are on heightened alert here, not just big ones. Medium, smaller ones, less than half a million, that is about the population of manchester, engld. Renewed focus on cities similar size of t United States. Think aboufresno, california, albany, new york, raleigh, North Carolina so many fit the bill but there by the grace of god could we. Scores of Ariana Grande concert goers, Connell Mcshane, how theyre preparing to he prevent anything like that happening in new york, particularly times square. Connell . Reporter certainly, neil. It is a point of contention. Something that we see after any of these attacks happened overseas. To breaking development there first. Suspected sue he side bomber in manchester at concert has been identified by name. British Authorities Say his name is salman abedi. U. S. Authorities believe he traveled to the smaller city of manchester from larger one in the uk by london by train to carry out the terrible attack. One of the 22 people including the suicide bomber was an 8yearold girl. A claim of responsibility that came from isis. It is not independently verified but it is out there today. Weve seen another arrest, a 23yearold man authorities believe is connected to the case in manchester. All that happening over here, over there. Over here we have thetatement of department of Homeland Security saying there is no specific threat against music venues here in the United States. Were starting to see stepped up security. Nypd wellknown counterterrorism unit is out in more force than we normally see today. Some are behind me in times square. New York City Police department put out a statement i can read to you. It said out of abundance of caution, we have moved additional heavy weapons teams to highprofile locations around the city. In addition to the heavy weapons teams, new york will see vaporwake, explosive detection dogs. HighlyTrained Counterterrorism as far as and random bag checks at transit locations among other things. Times square we were reporting last week, as we look up north from 43rd street, a couple of blocks from here, a car, wasnt organize ad terrorist attack but it was terrifying, ran into a group of pedestrians there and now we have this added to it. Come back, toss back to you, neil. We definitely see stepped up security presence here. Back to you in the studio. Neil connell, thank you very much. To manchester, police are updating us on events there. We now have a team of specifically Trained Counterterrorism officers supporting that. There has been much speculation in the mqia and on social media as names of some of the victims. While i accept that many so of this is inevitability, i would ask that people do allow us to the work with the coroner and work with the families to make sure theyre properly supported before we release the names of those that sadly lot their lives. As you expect the Police Response across Greater Manchester has been significant today as we help people to continue to go about their daily business and lead their lives here in Greater Manchester. Part of this response has seen us arrest a 23yearold man in connection with the attack. Weve also carried out two warrants, one in range and one in fallow field. The one in fallow field saw us undertake a controlledded explosion to gain entry. I. Wish to reassure those communities that we were doing to gain safe access. That is nothing to be concerned about. We understand that feelings are very raw right now, and that people are bound to be looking for answers. However more than ever it is vital that to our Diverse Communities that make Greater Manchester such a strong place actually stand together and support each other as we will be doing in a vigil at 6 00 p. M. This evening. We will therefore not tolerate hate towards any part of our community and should communities be suffering from hate incidents or crime i would please urge them to report it to us. This afternoon as you saw we were visited by the home secretary theresa may and the home secretary amber rudd, both were given briefing about our Ongoing Operations and our investigation over today and the next few days. I can confirm that the man suspected of carrying out last nights atrocity is 22yearold salman abedi. However he has not yet been formally named by the coroner. I wouldnt wish to therefore comment any further about him at this stage. Our priority along with the police counterterrorist network and our Security Partners i to continue to establish whether he was acting alone or working as part of a wider network. Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. Neil all right. You have been listening to an update from Manchester Police here. Fingering apparently so far the only known assailant in this. Whether he had accomplices is anyones guest. 22yearold salman abedi. You heard his name come up. Theyre not ironclad sure he is only guy. That name consistently come up. He died in the explosions himself, selfinflicted were told but that is all we know. We have a former Police Sergeant and a retired Navy Explosive Ordnance commander, paul greg. What they make of what the chief just said. Peter, to you first on that. One individual, might have had some help, not sure. Still a lot we dont know, huh . No. What they say specific threats, the intelligence communities from these Different Countries have to get together and share what they can identify as people that are possible threats but when we talk about soft targets, shopping malls, the studio here, or Soldiers Field in chicago, baseball diamonds and stuff, to set up a perimeter you have to be a mile away from the park, have every person coming in checked that way. At that point, if the bomber wants to bomb, if you get to the suicide, to the check point, and he realizes he is not going to get in, he will detonate the bomb there and kill whoever he can. From what i understand in manchester he set it off in a concourse outside of thectual venue. Neil exactly. So if he would ha been in middle of that venue, you would have threefold number of injuries and deaths. He couldnt get it in. Owe did it in the concourse. That can be done anywhere here. Your bomb expe