Adam shapiro at the white house with with the latest. Hey, adam. Reporter this follows the testing by north korea of the Intercontinental Ballistic Missile. This went out of the earths atmosphere and reentered. The question could the North Koreans weaponize this with a Small Nuclear device to survive reentry . The Trump Administration doesnt want to take chances to give north korea the possibility of developing that kind of technology. This morning President Trump before he left for europe made two important tweets. The first, quote, the United States made some of the worst trade deals in world history. Why should we continue with these deals with companies that do not help us . The reference perhaps there to china. Then he followed it up with this tweet. Trade between china and north korea grew almost 40 in the first quarter. So much for china working with us but we had to give it a try. The president has left for europe. He will talk about trade with his european partners. Specifically, for instance, trade regarding steel. Whether or not china and other countries are dumping steel on the worldwide market. He will meet with Vladmir Putin. Of course it was russians and chinese after the test of the north korean icbm which said both north korea needs to deescalate and stop the missile testing program. The United States needs to remove some antimissile technology from south korea. Whether that actually happens yet to be seen but it is front and center, u. N. , United States calling for that emergency u. N. Security council meeting. Neil neil. Neil thank you, adam shapiro. Were getting more details on the launch from north korea. This is coming from Jennifer Griffin and our pentagon team. They did in fact, the United States watched the North Koreans prepare for the launch in advance. We dont know how much in advance. They saw the missile being fueled. Were told this new icbm missile yesterday to be named, uses liquid fuel, it takes time and less mobile than solid fuel used. Suffice it to Say Technology a little more than a year ago we did not even think the North Koreans possessed. The fact theyre advancing, what appears to be rapidly kind of thing catches our next guests attention. He was way ahead of the curve on this, way ahead on the curve of the whine niece how we deal with them. Gordon chang, come collapse of china among these eyepopping details. Gordon, we knew this was coming. We didnt know all the details what it would mean but it continue as spate of military exercises that the North Koreans are not holding back on . This is their first icbm Intercontinental Ballistic Missile launch, the missile can reach all of alaska and approach the main islands in hawaii. We also think they have three, maybe four missile that can reach the lower 4states today but they havent been tested or havent been tested at full range, tapidon g k h 8 and k14. The United States is really behind the curve. Neil what do we do with the u. N. And we jawbone and complain about it, but once it comes to options we dont pursue any of them . The first things we need to do where the North Koreans got the mobile launcher for the missile they tested yesterday because its a chinese truck. Neil is that right. It is. Reuters reporting this. There is chinese and chineselooking equipment showing up in north korea Ballistic Missile program. Some of these Ballistic Missiles look to be china origin. Neil they have blatantly ignoring us the chinese or stringing us along or what . They have been blatantly ignoring us and stringing us along and rest of it. They have been duplicitous. With have not imposed costs on china for very dangerous behavior on their part. Neil we held off thinking they could help us with this. Right. That is the approach of this administration up until last week. It has been the approach of the two previous administrations. It hasnt worked. What trump did he transitioned from carrots to sticks. He unplugged a chinese bank. He did a lot of other things, quote, quote, outraged the chinese. What he will do is really ramp up the costs on beijing. This is one approach we havent tried in last couple decades. Neil we conducted joint military exercises or certainly joint missile tests of our own with the south koreans. That yet seems provocative on part of the chinese which i always find remarkable especially when the North Koreans chime in and say, very provocative as if theirs are not . North Korean Military is forwarddeployed on the militarized zone which separates two koreas. For get about their wmd, chemical, biological nukes. They have a very capable conventional military. Our exercises are conventional. So what were trying to do is deter an invasion of south korea which the North Koreans did in 1950. The chinese proposal for freeze in nuke tests for stop in joint exercises that is really bad thing. It means south korea at some point wont have capability to defend itself. Because those exercises are absolutely critical keeping both militaries sharp. Neil being rough, mean, threatening doesnt get any results. Being soft and understanding like new south korean president would entertain the North Koreans share venue for Winter Olympics in south korea doesnt seem to work. That is crazy. Neil what will . What we have to do is unplug a large chinese bank. For instance, bank of china was named in a u. N. Panel report last year for Money Laundering for the North Koreans. He think what we have to do, look, you can no longer do dollar is b cant do business in the u. S. In general we need to say to the chinese. You can do business with north korea, you can do business with the United States, not both at same time. Neil chinese come back, you see all the debt we have big chunk in your country, they will start unloading it. They unloaded middle of 2014. Because theyre trying to support the currency the renminbi. Only way they do that is sell dollars. They will unload dollars anyway, neil. We dont have to worry about that one. Neil the threat or not could lead to skyhigh Interest Rates which has not happened. You dont see that as a possibility . Because the market for treasuries right now is so deep, countries want the dollar. This is the types of things that the United States needs to understand. China can sell its 1 1 2, two trillion dollars of dollars, it will not have that big of an effect. Neil the president is going to meet with his chinese counterpart briefly. We dont know how long the meeting will be. Wont be same as maralago thing, right . What does he tell him . The mood obviously changed here. The president more or less says you let me down. Right. Neil what happens in that meeting . I think it will be very contentious. Our relations with beijing Going Forward will be difficult. North korea, there are no, no cost solutions. It will be ugly. Part will be increased neil doesnt north korea realize that . The more provocative behavior, the more they risk harm to themselves . Maybe they have to protect like you say in china, but surely they wouldnt entertain, seriously launching a missile on anyone knowing it would be certain death to them . Right. That is clear. This regime neil is it though . If youre a nut like this buy, is it clear . No the one thing that it clear. This issue will haunt us for quite sometime can we deter the north korean regime . There is a lot of turmoil in there. We saw this beginning of january, demotion of and detention of minister of state security. Execution of five of his senior subordinates. The assassination of the elder neil people are saying nervous this guy is a nutjob but they cant take him on for fear of that. Right. Neil beneath the dictators surface there is group of even top military brass who want to work with the United States, who want to work with the west but they fear for their lives. I think they want to work with china rather than with us but nonetheless, they do fear for their lives. Kim jongun when neil china doesnt fear for its life . Excuse me. Neil china doesnt fear for its life, so why cant it do more. It can do more. We havent giverren incentives to do more. I said we have to unplug bank of china. Do a lot of things beijing doesnt like. Say to china, these costs will only go up until you help us. That is the one approach, neil, we have not tried over last couple decades. It is only approach we havent tried. We have obligation to try everything before we use force. The use of force could end up with horrific consequences this is the thing President Trump and successors will have to do without using kinetic options. Neil gordon chang, thank you very much. What are our options according to gordons point. Sanctions dont appear to be working. Sanctions of Chinese Companies and two nationals for north korean dealings . Is that the extent of it . Then what . To Lieutenant Colonel tony shaffer. Then what . Look i like the way gordon framed all of this. Weve seen diminution of use of military force since the 90s, Clinton Administration and the rule is appeasement. We had concepts i was aware of back in the early 90s regarding kinetic options. We were planning constantly for use of military force. We stepped away from that. The plan is 5027 theyre now looking at for potential use. We have to dust off our old concepts of doing something. One of the frightening things here we didnt face back then you do have the potential of Ballistic Missiles come off the north Korean Peninsula with nuclear weapons. One of the things you and i have spoken about is the fact that these Nuclear Tests they have had over the past seven years have been not to make bigger explosives but smaller, aperture explosives with great are effect. Try to minute at that rise to put on miniaturize on missiles. If what gordon says doesnt work we have to personalize this to un. Im with you. Im not convinced he is sane. Therefore you have to understand that, neil, any kinetic action will be danger seoul. Seoul, south korea is undirect artillery fire under the north. Millions of people panicking being in the middle of a firefight with the North Koreans. You will not completely deter the North Koreans but you have to make painfully clear, any military action that results in provocations neil what if he doesnt care. He does. Neil i assume he does but keeps doing these things. I worry about more tests go on, tony. The chance for accident or misfire or falling on south korean lands or worse japan anything can happen. Precisely. We have to convince un were serious use of military force. This is where i disagree with gordon a little bit. The North Koreans are not convinced we mean what we say. The Deterrent Program we set up would result in military force being used. Again the record since clinton, neil, we appease them. So therefore we are completely breaking the paradigm. President clinton started this. Mt. Trump stopping it. That means he has to hold chinese accountable, russians accountable too. The russians are behind the scenes helping them. One of the biggest adversaries we have is funding whole thing. Iranians. That is how they were able to expedite the program rapidly to do this. Money infused with the irransians was sent to the North Koreans for outsourcing of iranian program. We have to get ahead of this. Weve been not thinking ahead of this. This is what mr. Trump wants to do. Get ahead of it. Use all of our resources to actually bolster the fact we will deter this, we will do something. Then work to counter those around north korea who are enabling them and making it consequential to their bad actions to support the North Koreans. Neil all right. Wild stuff but it is getting tony shaffer, thank you very, very much. Thanks, neil. Neil if the markets are at all rattled by this, they have a funny way showing it. Were down 27 points right now. Not much movement. If this escalates even into a potential trade war with the chinese that could very, very quickly change. That is why the president is so focused on tweets that have to do with this sort of stuff. What does that tell you . After this. Neil i always get this if i criticize the president on tweets that fear vair from issues. A lot of never trump per crowds say youre a never trumper on steroids. Im not against tweets. Stick on topic. Dont criticize anchor teams and lifting their ratings, last thing you want to do. Stick to the subject. So when he does in a serious of tweets well show them talks about things near and dear to his economic agenda, good for him. On getting tough with the North Koreans and chinese, good for him. A lot better than railing against cable tv personalities. So that is just my opinion. New York Post Washington Bureau chief is here, poll licks editor ron meyer and former dnc deputy press secretary. End with you and begin with you. My argument on this the president is free to tweet but time and communication and surgely striking on issues is limited veer off of that youre hurting yourself. His performance on the latest tweets is oak with me. What about with you . Look the president , neil, shouldnt be tweeting at all. He should work with democrats and republicans to neil no, no. Tweet something okay. You tweet, right . Youre a big deal. I dont know but thank you. He shouldnt be tweeting. You know what . If he is going to tweet he loses all credibility when it comes to be president of the United States. Neil you dont think Abraham Lincoln had that technology would be tweeting . He has been inciting violence neil, against women. Neil no, no. When he is off message bad idea. Ron meyer, do you think on that, tweeting is okay, just off message part that rattles me to his point. Absolutely i want him tweeting about the right issues. Im with you, neil. I want him tweeting about getting tax reform done and Getting Health Care reform done. Trying to get people to move on these issues. Senators on republican side stuck in the mud. People in the house same way. We have to get Health Care Reform done. It has to be fixed. This current bill is garbage. Fix health care bill. Get tax reform done. Focus on issues, why people got you elected as president. I think a lot is overblown. Especially cnn is bunch of snowflakes in my opinion making news about themselves. Trump should do exactly what youre saying. Stick to the issues. Get the agenda passed. If he doesnt get the agenda passed by 2018 i think republicans are in trouble. Neil gabby, i think it is agenda, that agenda should be, when he veers off he veers off stuff he doesnt want people park about, not stuff he want people to talk about. Whether msnbc anchor theme or going at someone else on another news network or even this network, he hurt himself. Yeah. Look, neil, i think twitter can be a effective bully pulpit he uses helping to shape policy and guiding these negotiations especially on health care now towards the outcome he would like to see but i do think there does come a point as you were mentioning if we have to ask ourselves there are certain tweets that the president sends off, quote, really connects him with the American People as the white house likes to say. I dont think going after the morning anchor on msnbc or criticizing certain lawmakers is really an effective way of advancing his agenda or communicating or connecting with the American People. So, i do think that he needs to be conscientious of that. I think it would be a totally different discussion in the media today if the president was only tweeting about policy because, then we would be talking about the positive outcomes that those policies have had, instead of angry tweet here or there, that target as lawmaker or an anchor or whomever else. Neil now comes the big, you have to deliver on your second foreign trip here. The first one depending on the medias perspective, start out okay. Ended up not being as okay but there is a lot more pressure on this trip. Meeting with Vladmir Putin. Meeting with his counterpart,ed leader of the stakes are high here. This calls for serious focus. What do you expect to see next few you days . I hope he talks to Vladmir Putin why were you involved in the our elections in 2016. Hopefully he does that. Jose, you i love how jose, democrats focus more on the i 2016 election than north korea launching a missile. Multiple guests on how they successfully tested a missile. Yet what democrats, cnn all other people attacking want to talk about the election. We need russia and china to be on board going after north korea on the crisis before this happens. I agree with you. Stop bringing up talking points. Neil president tweeted on you, jose, former dnc press secretary, sad. He didnt say that. I hope he did. Neil that is another thing, all kidding notwithstanding, they raised a good point sometimes people enjoy being target of his twee