Usa murrietas mayor alan long rallied his citys residents to protest because the federal government he says, isnt doing enough to stem the crisis. You look at the amount of immigrants coming across our borders, they had 50,000 in the last six months. Theres been 30,000 visas issued by the Mexican Government on their southern border for immigrants to pass from mexico to the United States. No end point. We dont see it stopping any time soon. Lou and add to that growing concerns about Health Threat posed by the crisis. Todd starns reports that medical staff at basis housing illegal children are warned to keep quiet about the contagion threat there are thousands suffering from measles, chicken pox and strep throat and the Border Patrol confirming a handful of illegal immigrant children in the close quarters of Border Patrol stations in texas have contracted swine flu as well. Taking all that up with the leading immigration advocates of the country, the executive director of the immigration forum, ala nurani. And most voters consider president obama to be the worst president since world war ii. And two amsite talk simone whether there is anything the president can do anything to turn around an Approval Rating underwater for more than nine months. And president obama seeking advice how to get our economy growing, and jobs created, inviting conservativeleaning economists to the white house. Former reagan adviser Arthur Laffer how to stimulate the economy and create jobs, the issue that remains the top concern of americans five years after the end of the recession. We begin with a crisis on our border. Our first guest says the unaccompanied illegal children crossing our border deserve a fair hearing. Whether it leads to asylum or deportation. Hes one of the countrys leading immigration advocates and at the forefront of the debate over illegal immigration and open borders for years, a frequent guest on on this program. Joining us from washington, ali neurani, great to have you with us. A hearing is assured, is it not . This president among other things, executive orders require advocacy for Illegal Immigrants in this country, right . Well, whats happening loorng the border is a humanitarian crisis. You and i would agree with that, lou, what is happening is the cartels are making incredible amount of money selling lies to families of Central America, bringing the children on top of trains and buses to one side of the rio grande into the hands of Border Patrol. Then what happens to the child. Detained by Border Patrol, ideally released to health and human services, then ideally given a hearing, so that their final status can be determined, and whether its them being able to stand grounds of asylum or be deported. That is the next step, so they get a hearing, a fast one, we dont want to drag it out. We are the country of laws and make sure we are following our laws and make sure the kids are put through a process. Lou was this a spontaneous, if you will, event . Or was it orchestrated by activists, organizations, the administration and the governments of el salvador, honduras, guatemala, and the government of mexico because these children had to travel over 1800 miles from their home countries to get to our border. Well, weve seen multiple reports that this has been an event orchestrated by the cartels. Able to capitalize on our nations broken and chaotic immigration system and tell the families, your situation is terrible in honduras, pay us 3,000 and well get your kid to the United States. Theyll be fine. The cartels are the ones instigating this. So at this point, and the Central American government has a responsibility, and i feel they do need to do more to make sure their families understand this is a tremendous risk for the children. Theres a lot of responsibility but at the end of the day, there are criminal elements taking advantage of a terrible situation. Lou and ali, congressman darrell issa, chairman of the House Oversight committee and 30 some odd members of congress sent a letter to the president asking him to renounce, to end the deferred action for childhood arrivals, which obviously fits this occasion, to make an explicit public comment, they ask, that the newly arrived Illegal Immigrants will not receive legal status. What do you think his response will be, if there is one . I think its entertaining that congressman issa and House Republicans sent this letter. Theyve had a lot of time to come up with their own solution to pass legislation to fix the systemo the deferred action is not necessary. Lou, i think youd agree, we need people in washington, d. C. To stop playing politics with the issue and find a permanent solution. Because whether its kids on the border fleeing violence or Something Else down the line, its going to be happening and happening until congress does its job. You mentioned two things there, lets go to the first, fleeing violence. There has been unrelenting violence in Central America for decades. This is, most would say, in part at least ascribed to it, which part, in part the rhetoric of this president , talking about amnesty, talking about quote, unquote dreamers, talking about his executive actions, his executive orders, make it far easier for Illegal Immigrants to stay in the country and not be deport. What role do you think, if any, his rhetoric has played in the exodus from many children from Central America . There has been a role that the lack of clarity in terms of laws passed by congress. Thats what the cartels are taking advantage of in the situation. And again, this is going to be a matter of the governments take responsibility. And congress is going to ask for 2 billion dollars and expanded authority to expedite the removal and processing of the children. The ball is in Congress Hands when they return from recess . Are they going to take up the mantle of Border Security as they so claimed they wanted to . Lou interesting, congress, as you know, passed through the judiciary committee, four bills that form a, i believe a Solid Foundation to true Immigration Reform. Thats being overlooked here. Why is that . Its because Speaker Boehner and new Leadership Team have decided that this isnt the time for Immigration Reform, obviously for our security, for economy, for communities across the country, the time is now for Immigration Reform, and the speaker should return from the july 4th recess and say lets get this done. Lou you know, you and i have talked over the years, frequently sometimes, with considerable passion about our respective views on these things, but the reality is a syllogism seems to be relevant and perhaps determinate and that is to reform immigration laws, we have to be able to control immigration, and if we are to control immigration, we to be able to control our borders. Has anything happened that you find is there any part of that, that you dont agree with now at this stage . Absolutely not. And i would unpack just a little more is that its not control immigration but first secure the border. You have to have a secure border and by having a secure border, you have to have a system that regulates immigration. Right now we dont have a regulated immigration system which is what the cartels take advantage of. What people are put into terrible situations for and why we are spending billions detaining and deporting hundreds of thousands of people a year . So because we have no regulatory system, we have no secure border. Theyre one and the same. Lou and as to the 2 billion the president wants, doing a little quick math, the four principal countries of Central America would receive half billion dollars each, if the United States were to write them a check, and insist that a condition of that money would be that they provide for these children and their families, and it seems to make a lot more sense than wasting another 2 billion by this government in this country . Lou, you and i agree 100 on that one. I think that these countries need to take responsibility. If we want to do something to stem or create a process on that side, we should create incountry refugee centers, so if somebody wants to apply for Refugee Status from guatemala, they can go to guatemala instead of putting their lives in the hands of human smugglers. Lou ali noorani, end on a note agreement. Thanks for having me, lou. Lou National Immigration forum. A reminder to the white house as we gather to celebrate our freedoms this 4th of july, marine Sergeant Andrew tahmooressi remains in jail, in mexico, on gun charges. Hes been there for 93 days without any, any word from the president publicly, in an effort to secure his release. Tahmooressis mother says she is so disappointed by the president s inaction. She says even though the Mexican Government has imprisoned her son for three months now, they have been far more responsive to her and her family than the obama administration. A federal judge today ruled the suspected ringleader of the benghazi terrorist attack remains in jail until his trial. Ahmed Abu Khatallah appeared at brief detention hearing in washington. Prosecutors say the evidence included eyewitness statements and comments made by khatallah himself. Were coming right back. Stay with us. Theres no president ial address on unemployment, but hes all over Illegal Immigrants. 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Lou more embarrassment for this white house, quinnipiac polling finds 33 of voters say president obama is the worst president of any since world war ii. Thats worse than the 28 who chose george w. Bush. Far worse than the 13 who chose Richard Nixon and 8 who chose jimmy carter, who is tonight surely finding comfort in these numbers. The president meeting with a group of economistsa the white house today including former chairman of the Federal Reserve ben bernanke and harvard professor feldstein. The meeting comes a day before the june employment report and the same day the private sector added 281,000 jobs, according to Payroll Processor adp. For more on this obama economy, were joined now by Arthur Laffer, former member of president ronald re Economic Policy advisory board. Art, great to have you here. Thank you, lou. Lou and what do you make of this sitdown with sandwiches and a bunch of economists. Guess who was number one in the post world war ii era, ronald reagan, which i love, as much as i do the other side. These guys are going to sit down and talk about the same old stuff and not much coming out of it. However, you know the right answers and what we should do. In the nearterm, you could politically easily get a change in the Corporate Tax code. You could either lower the Corporate Tax rates dramatically and broaden the bases of a number of democrats and republicans want, or do what id like to do and make all taxes territorial so Foreign Companies working and earning money in the u. S. Pay the same tax rates that American Companies do earning profits in the u. S. , and simultaneously, u. S. Company abroad pay the same taxes abroad that Foreign Companies pay abroad and you have a level Playing Field where American Companies compete with Foreign Companies and allowed to bring the money back without extra taxes. Lou that makes all the sense in the world, equitable, fair, sensible and hasnt got a chance in the world to pass through the congress. My goodness. Lou but the truth is, it doesnt for a moment diminish merit, and its exactly right. There is, however, theres one issue, and that is that we talk about Corporate Taxes being lowered, but the effective tax rate, despite the 35 number for corporation, the effective rate is 17 for them. Maybe even lower. Lou and perhaps lower. For the largest u. S. Multinationals, that number stands out. What i found the citizen, the taxpayer, in this country, as an individual. I think people are getting a little tired of talking about big business and they want to focus on Small Business that creates the jobs that right now are not being created as you well know that will allow us to bring back the unemployed who are chronically unemployed, many of them . You are exactly right, lou. The thing that is really important here is tax rates, whether they be the statutory rates or effective rates as you mentioned, are very different than tax revenues. We have the highest single Corporate Tax rate in the world. And i think we have the third or fourth lowest tax revenues as a share of gdp in the world, illustrating exactly the point that when you tax them too much, you dont get the money. If you lowered that Corporate Tax rate down, the effective tax rate would increase dramatically and save the taxpayers a lot of money, and wed be able to create jobs as well and bring the money back in. And understand tax rates arent tax revenues. Lou we have to ask ourselves, do we want to government to have more of our money. Starve the beast, starve the beast. [ laughter ] i would love to see this economy grow even under obama, to be honest with you. We desperately need jobs as you said, lou, so clearly, there are people who are chronically unemployed. They have very little chance of getting back into the labor force as long as things arent really booming, and its tragic, weve wasted generations of humans. This is a precious Natural Resource that is not recoupable, its not their loss forever. Lou you remember under president george w. Bush, he famously said there are jobs americans wont do, as he tried to build some consensus around comprehensive Immigration Reform or amnesty for Illegal Immigrants. Now there are jobs that will not be filled by americans, they are instead allocated around the world to the cheapest labor markets, depriving many the status of being in the middle class, those are frustrate for a lifetime and denied. Thats true. I mean, but what you look at here its our policies that are the problem, not the rest of the worlds policy. Lou amen. Chinese makes highquality products at low cost and sell them to us in exchange for products we make for them. They do that. They dont do anything to ruin our employment. They are our best trading partner. We prohibit lowwage workers from heavy jobs. Welfare cutoffs that make it not worthwhile to work, lou, if you work, you lose Welfare Benefits and worse off than if you are with Welfare Benefits. The minority, the poor, the disenfranchised cant get the jobs because they arent worth the minimum wage at 10. 10 an hour. We dont allow, we try to get those people working elsewhere but the jobs need to come into the enterprise owned. We desperately need. That lou, they dont care, if they do, they are ignorant. Lou are you referring to the abama administration, the republican party, the democratic party, they are all completely hued. You got a mixture of them, its a succotash. Lou with the succotash, we have to call it. Thank you very much. Lou i love the words. Succotash, thats what washington is all about. Succotash. Arthur laffer, good to have you here. Time to look at online poll results, who is the more inspiring leader to their citizens . 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