Promising to end a strategy of nation building in the region focusing instead on addressing the terrorists articulate 3900 additional troops expected to be deployed with some already on their way. The president of the foundation for defense of democracy welcome again cliff good to see you, so the the president big debate in the white house for quite a while decided on this strategy did he get to the right outcome . Well i think he got to the right outcome in this sense, my impetus would be that his gut insink was pull out of afghanistan leave it behind, we have no business being there at the end of the day, i think he was persuaded for u. S. To lose to the fwan and to alqaida after years of fighting would in immense consequences that was not acceptable i think he was right to make that decision. Conventions of pulling out comparable or maybe worse than what happened when president obama pulled observer out of iraq saw rise of Islamic State would have consequences that President Trump would have been responsible for. Yes, he would have been responsible for that you have the agency we saw in iraq you want to particularly a lot of dangerous areas of the world pakistan next door, already has nuclear weapons, what happened to pakistan with taliban alqaida rising in afghanistan. You have to imagine that scenario, and you have to also understand this, that the defeat of United States in afghanistan that is how it i will be seen, would supercharge all our enemies around the world, and we have a lot of enemies around the world, from north korea to iran, to places in africa, it would be a setback that we would have difficulty recovering from. Paul with this strategy you understand Going Forward is it adequate to do what the president says his goal is which is to win victory . Or are we just talking about, maybe do the losing, and sta stabilizing several years. He corrects part of the strategy i use in quotes that president obama had, fixes the rules of engagement not allowing save havens in pakistan use all instruments of American Power expect sanctions on individuals in pack staupakistan we will be the until results we want you harder in statement he made would he like to see negotiations with the taliban now the top xa commanders taliban men of faith would rather defy than accept defeat maybe if you kill enough next level next level after that there are men think i believe that maybe a longer life is better than martyrdom a jihadist does not say have peace sit down with infidels including in government, and lets have a payer sharing arrangement we can live with that they can live with that. That is unlikely seems to me doesnt mean we cant get to a good result over time i dont see one right any time soon, this is this war we will have to sustain our presence there, and we will have to be a sustainable presence that we keep there for a number of years, i mean, weve. Yeah. Paul i mean that lets talk specifically though about pakistan, because other president s have complained privately about their harrowing terrorists a double game taking money from us saying we back you, but then, giving safe haven to taliban to network alied with taliban, trump is for the first time i mean really calling them out publicly, in an aggressive way, but that means if pakistan doesnt help we are going to have to follow through with if he wants to stay credible that is if the president wants to stay credible that is going to mean strikes maybe across the board into pakistan . I think so, unless the pakistanis decide this is really a new day and they have to do something very different, when maintenance taking out Training Camps safe havens refugees we have to do so go after pakistani government other ways cutting aid sanctions, sanctions maybe even very specific, on individuals who have close ties with the taliban, in afghanistan, we may have to hit them as well, one of the things very difficult, you cant fight a war in kind of bonnie and clyde fashion cop gets to state line turns around goes back that is how it has been, in afghanistan for sometime. History shows that you cant stop an insurgency where you cant follow history shows that every general i have talked to has been fighting afghanistan said the same thing, so maybe this will be a different change of strategy but not without risk because pakistanis could create trouble for us if if they want to. They can, and that is one of the reasons i think President Trump talked about relationship with india getting stronger, pakistanis very much fear many case detest india, dont want to see the us in that direction but you are right he is very hard to predict what pack stanize will do one of the things wrong about obama strategy in quotes if you have a timetable out by date certain your enemies and pakastanis snow why siding with these guys should side with those who are going to be there, who are going to prevail be left at the end of the day that is important. One other point that we need to stress, is we will be there for years this i see afghanistan not as war but as a battle in a global conflict people say this is longesters war American History but not the longest war in history wars are not normally brief, this is going to be a low intensity conflict likely to go on for many years for many decades, that is very hard for americans to accept, but if we dont, and our enemies do we are at great disadvantage. Republicans gear up President Trump continues feud with the Senate Leader and other republicans. So just what is he up to will it makeorbreak his agenda on capitol hill . I am very disappointed in mitch, but if he gets these bills passed i will be very happy with him i will be first to admit it. It helps block 6 key inflammatory substances that cause symptoms. Pills block one and 6 is greater than 1. Flonase changes everything. [vo] progress is seizing the moment. 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Mccain and flake not the only republicans in the president s target list he slammed Mitch Mcconnell and paul ryan for what he called the debt ceiling mess, and singled out majority leader again thursday tweeting quote the only problem i have with Mitch Mcconnell is that after hearing repeal and replace for seven years he failed. That should never have happened. Lets bring in the wall street journal Columnist Bill mcgun, james freedomman columnist kim strassel, kim break down the president s motivation here what is he up to going after republicans . Well, it seems that the president thinks that it will be better for his political future to go his own way, and blame the republicans for any failures. It is arguably a grave miscalculation because what the president seems to be missing is that he is going to be measured on about accomplishments, those accomplishments can only come from the Republican Congress for him. And every time he beats on them he makes it harder for them to get that agenda passed. Paul makes it harder you thinkis his view would be if i beat him up enough, they will get in line and get it done, clearly he thinks that might you know maybe he can turn one vote in the senate, you are saying that is not likely . Look, it is would be thing to put pressure on senators, and also, by the way, to go out and talk about your agenda and give them cover, it is another to go out your way to alienate them they decide they owe you nothing and chances that you lose a vote up front simply because of ego, permits, becomes a greater. Gentlemen do you disagree with that . When i was in Bush White House bush was tacticed attacked all the time by republicans the general rule president sucks it up because stays quiet, not necessarily in private. [laughter] right. In public. The reason is, the ray congress works, none of these guys have power even Mitch Mcconnell to get through what you want. But almost everyone as john mccain approved on health care has power to just stop you in your tracks, and stab you in the back and that happens a lot. So generally they i think this donald trump if he had spoken like this, about the democratic opponents of health care before the vote he might have had more republicans on his side for that. Why . He wouldnt have turned any democratic no, he wouldnt it would have given coffer for republicans unparticular bill no one explained it no one defended it contention you cannot lead nation from congress the guy closest was Newt Gingrich got bashed by bill clinton just because bill clinton had a bigger bully pulpit. Was donald trump making declaration of independence, if you will from the republicans i would argue it was always always a shotgun marriage between republicans and capitol hill and trump maybe trump is declaring divorce here filing for divorce, i mean, dont republicans have to begin to calculate that you know maybe we need to go our own way . And do what we need to do kind of stay you know president is going to do what he does, and we will move on our own knee i that i disastrous strategy to get reelected, you saw the crowd in phoenix there, i think two sides have to learn how to get along i would not want to be a republican running next year, against donald trump, i think that is bad turnout. In any case not my point my point not to run eminence trump. My point is to say look he may may he may Call Health Care bill mean, as he did in the house, or he may decide that you know i am going to he is going to come up for higher tax rates on individuals ignore that go ahead and get your own thing done then you can talk about your accomplishments and not whatever donald trump is doing. I think that is one thing they really need to focus on, is ignoring the tweet of the day, put it on his desk, he will sign it, but i also think you know should be noted, i think jeff flake is wonderful but did write an entire book attacking president twoway street maybe bothout to figure out how to get along to pass agenda. This is about selfinterest here, i mean from the president s point of view jeff fake is one of 52 republican senators, only lose two, and lose and and you are in trouble losing the majority. Flake is probably along with dean heller in nevada most vulnerable republican this year could beating flake in a primary cost him that seat . Absolutely. That is the risk. And, by the way, there is no guarantee that the people that the trump folks are butting up to that are challenging mr. Flake on the primary are necessarily going to win that primary, so they could be setting himself up for disaster, look, the president again he is going to be measured on what is accomplished. By this Republican Congress. For the most part. And the way forward to do that is to develop a sense of unity stop attacking but, also, to actually talk about the republican agenda, look, this entire august was supposed to be about setting the ground for tax reform we havent heard anything about it, it has been ground out, by the controversies the president continues to push forward himself. And so he has got to start thinking about the end goal. All right when we come back the president s shut down articulate sends Republican Leaders about scrambling who benefits most from high stakes showdown . 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You know i need you to fund the wall give me something, dlo me a bone for this, and just to take it seriously i think he does need in a way if you remember the phone calls mexican president , exact words the least important thing talking about most important politically, something people understand, who elected him he needs to go to border say were building this i think can give him a little money i dont think we need a shutdown. Will will that that that is the rub, right . Because the democrats are saying we are not going to fund it with a dime he needs 60 votes in the senate to pass a funding bill, and democrats are go arent beginning of him a dime is it worth risking a shutdown. I dont think the democrats are going to shut down the government because a border already has fences walls, may get higher, i dont see that happening do i think with cutting taxes this is one of the signature promises of the 2016 Trump Campaign i think congress ought to deliver on both not because i think the wall is a priority it wouldnt be for me, but look, we already have a border with some protection, give him some added benefit there, and i think the real game is dont cut off Legal Immigration i would hope may be there is a deal you allow Legal Immigration end lawlessness at border i look to allow him to get one of his priorities. Do you agree with that. I think that is what trump believes in, in the sense i dont think he is going to compromise in this, because probably the wall is essentially promise in terms of what people what people understand, ordinary people voted for him i think he made it very clear he understands the political problem with this when talking with the Mexican Foreign leader i dont, i think he believes he cannot compromise on this. I dont know kim i think that it depends on how you define wall. Exactly would you have virtual wall different electronic ways protecting it could be just as effective a lot less unsightly less opposition from some politicians say we are going to throw up a wall down there i think the key words here are border security. And that this is what you are going to hear republicans talk about, as way to get past this line that the president has drawn a relying point on question of Immigration Reform in recent years smart move for republicans in house and senate is to get the best that they can get, in terms of some sort of agreement on money for some form of border security, get that passed, and then, i think it in likely at that point that the president details it because then the shutdown is on him. And he doesnt necessarily need or want that. All right one other issue the president raised james the filibuster. Doing away with it in senate for legislation would be 50 votes would require a change of rules. Number one does this have any chance of passing in the senate is it a goad idea. I dont see it happening irn it might be a good idea just discuss a since the president has been have a i think. Nomination right, the democrats will get rid of it next time they are in power and suits them much his