[ applause ]. John when millions of people want to come to live in america, what do we do about that . Clearly lots of americans want to say no to immigrants. Donald trumps comments about mexican immigrants vaulted him to the top of the polls. Theyre bringing drugs. Theyre bringing crime. Theyre rapists, and some i assume are good people. John yeah. Somewhere good people, most are good people, but what does a country do about those who are not . Thousands of people who say theyre from syria are now pouring into europe. How many will europe take . We have borders and rules for a reason. In america, this election season most republican candidates look for votes saying things like this secure the border. Secure the border. Secure the border. Secure the border. John most candidates said im not antiimmigrant, i welcome immigrants that come legally. Jeb bush went further and took heat for saying yes, millions of undocumented people who are here did come here illegally, but its not a felony. Its kind of a its an act of love. John love, because theyre trying to create a better life for their families. That statement appalls dennis lynch who spent his own money making three antiimmigration documentaries titled they come to america. They rape our kids and kill our neighbors. Its not safe to not screen these people. They steal our jobs. John no, thats totally deceitful says alex narrasta of the cato institute, alex . They create a lot more jobs than they take in the United States. The data is clear on this. John thats how i read the data. Dennis you obviously disagree and spending your own money making the movies. You classified the movies as antiimmigrant, antiillegal immigrant. John you dont want to let more people in legally either. I wanted the Legal Immigration to be lowered to a replacement level because i dont see what the funny part was. You dont laugh when you are out of work. John why are you laughing . He says hes not antiimmigrant. If someone wants to cut legal gun ownership by half, we call them antigun. If someone says cut taxes, we call them antitax. When i tell my wife to stop spending so much on the credit card, im not antiwife. John why do you want the Legal Immigration rate down . Because right now we have more americans who are out of the workforce than ever before, and we also know that immigrants coming into this country in the mass numbers that they are, they depress wages. We cant be taking in more people until we put the American People on the pathway to the american dream. John we used to take a much higher percentage. A percentage of what . And right now putting americans on the sidelines because theyre undercutting. John you want to reduce legal, you want to reduce ilLegal Immigration. I want to eliminate ilLegal Immigration. John isnt it much harder when we make it so hard to come here legally . Lets go to facebook for a moment. John lets get audience participation in. James miles wrote us. John, america takes in more legal immigrants than all other countries combined. How many people do we have to take in before it becomes too much . Why dont you address, mr. Think tank, why dont you address why it is wages are so depressed here in the United States. Obamacare destroyed a lot of jobs in the economy. More regulations of businesses than ever before. More taxes on american wages than ever before. More restrictions on people creating businesses. Thats what your data says, your data pushed by lobbyists and by outside money that wants you to say what it is that you just said. John the outside money are the businesses who want to hire people from other countries. You brought up facebook. Lets look at facebook, lets look at google, look at apple and microsoft. Four of the Biggest Companies in Silicon Valley who are pushing for more h1b visas. John some created by immi we cant find enough workers, having such a hard time. Ive been a businessman for 25 years prior to being a filmmaker. I understand one thing, if you cant find the right workforce your business cant grow. Those stocks of those companies that i brought up to you over the past five years, the minimum one doubled, most quadrupled. John they would quintuple if they hire the people they need. Theyre hiring people from overseas because they pay them far less and handcuff them with the visa. They cant get the workers that they want. Not just machines, theyre consumers. Tell me mr. Businessman what would happen if 40 of customers went away and left this count gee jeb bush on the campaign trail sometimes speaks spanish. Does it bother you . Not if it bothers me, if it bothers the American People. Act of love is doing well in the polls. Donald trump is killing in in the polls. Doesnt mean hes right. Saying what americans are dying to say, hes given you the license not to feel bad about the fact that you are pro america. Thats it. Americans voted for obama, too. Does that make him right by your logic. Does that make obamacare right by your logic. Obamacare is a disaster. Stick to the issues and not the appeal what the voters voted for in the past. John lets play a clip from one of your movies. They a great idea. John a parole officer. This is unbelievably overwhelming, i wish the American People had the ability to see some of these background checks that we run on people. Youre not seeing the rapists, the murderers that come from other countries. Youre not seeing the potential, the terrorists that come from these other countries. John so this agent is saying hes letting the rapists and the terrorists in . Whats his that agent is saying that hes very disturbed by the fact that the Obama Administration is allowing people to come into the country and being released into the general public 25. of them have committed crimes already in the u. S. And they let them in . They have no choice. Thats what the Obama Administration is doing. If youre worried about the issues hes talking about, you would want to expand the Legal Immigration system so that the door is wide enough that these folks come through legally and do a check on them. Hes complaining about the government not being able to regulate a black market. John alex, true the Border Patrol guy says you committed a crime in america, they let them in, anyway. Absolutely not. They detain them, treat them very harshly like they should treat real criminals trying to come into the United States, every once in a while they let somebody go that person commits a heinous crime and that is reprehensible. Generally its not the way it is. Hundreds of times a day. John no, thank you, dennis. Difficult as our border problems are, europes are suddenly much worse. The flood of refugees continues into germany. Many arriving in munich by trains. The migrant crisis more chaotic, hungary declaring a state of emergency in two southern counties, that move allows for the army to be deployed. John fled brutality in syria. Germany announced they would take 800,000 of them but a few days later, germany said were closing the border for security reasons. Since europe feels it cant take all of them, americans say the u. S. Should welcome more refugees, even donald trump said maybe we should. I think we should as Syrian Refugees have a reputation of being people who want to work, escaping a horrible place, and argue its our fault their homes have been destroyed. The u. S. Government removed the dictator in iraq. That created a vacuum that isis filled and isis wrecked their lives. But im just wrong about this as herb london under the London Center for policy research. Why am i wrong . I think youre wrong because in large part you forget when the surge occurred in the bush years in 2006 and 7 you could walk through the streets of ramadi and fallujah, iraq was stabilized. John these people were killed. The reason why isis emerged is largely due to the fact that the joint forces agreement that should have been put in place leaving 15,000 troops there would have avoided the vacuum that you made reference to. No question that violence occurred and isis has used savagery as a tool and instrument. But its true this could have been avoided had the United States played a more significant role in putting troops on the ground. Theyre not 50,000 and 60,000 troops. At least 15,000 troops. John 15,000 soldiers would have made the difference . No question. Think about the isis armies, made up of kids. Give me three marine brigades and say the terms of engagement of about the enemy. Its not a Major Military threat, its a threat only because the United States remained inactive. John if we were more active we would stop the chaos in syria as well and afghanistan and pakistan and yemen and libya and all these countries . Somalia . No, but some degree of stabilization would halt the migration across the mediterranean. John we disagree how much of a difference we could make with the soldiers, now have the refugees, you say dont let them in . Keep in mind, the europeans do not have a tradition of integrating refugees into the country. If you look at malmo and ham berg. John a town in sweden. The Third Largest city in sweden that has a significant segment of the population separated from the others. John a third of the population is muslim. And the Syrian People coming in. The young men, muslim young men, that is scary, how do they check to see whos a terrorist. Look at the area surrounding paris, you have a real problem in europe of integrating refugees. The United States is a different tradition, we are a nation of immigrants, we integrate immigrants into our society. That is not true of the europeans and theres a cultural problem that has to be faced. The muslims have not been integrated into europe and they are separate. John you think you know why. One of the biggest reasons is welfare state. You can show up in europe and get on government benefits immediately, you can get public housing, segregate you into a part of the city and european policy in the cities. Countries segregate them to protect the cultures, its a crisis created by the european welfare state. John we think america has a welfare state and we do, and encourage people to be dependent. Europes is more generous. And some of the worst ways. John far better than we. Suppose your a hamburg businessman, merkel says not only take care of your family, youre obliged to take care of the Public Service employee in greece who wants to retire at 52. Now you got the surge of refugees coming into the country. John heres what they get in germany, almost 3,000 a year cash, free language classes, housing costs covered. Its humane, they say. Since the surge has begun they cut the cash benefits in half for the asylumseekers, partly in response to the worries and putting a lot more emphasis into job training and trying to get them into the labor force. The cultural problems i made reference to lead to a disaster. Europeans have to look at matter differently. John how many refugees from syria should america take . Theres no reason not to integrate the people into the society. We have a problem in the United States as well, go to dearborn, michigan, communities in virginia, there are separations of muslims in the United States. Thank you, alex and herb. Coming up, the stupid american law that makes it harder for us to police our borders. And next a smart guy makes a case for open borders. Utterly open borders, let them in, he says. 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Would you like to go for a walk to america . Follow me, ill take you to america. Its just this simple. John he then walked through a drug smugglers tunnel from mexico to america. It was that simple. That tunnel has since been closed. Just 25 years ago, though, latin american immigrants had no need for tunnels because most of the border was wide open. Jeffrey tucker of the foundation for Economic Education says the border should be wide open now. So instead of calling for more walls whenever you can, just open it up . Are you nuts . John, its not working, the war on immigration is not working, a practical ban and look at the consequences, people dont have legal ways to immigrate, we have an ilLegal Immigration problem. No different from the bootleggers in prohibition, people want to use the government and the rights to do things, the government figures out a way to stop them. There will be no ceiling in the border. Id like to see us go the other way, chill and open the borders like it was in the past. By the past, really the 1800s, we went through years of completely open borders and built the most Prosperous Society in the world. John i understand half your argument, and clearly people want to come here and they cant. We have the lotteries, they get 100 applicants for every one, if you want to come here legally and youre an indian computer programmer, you wait on average 35 years. Thats the computer programmers, forget it if you dont have an education. John a mexican teenager, 140 years. You cant get in legally. Its tragic, and its not just a violation. I think its inhumane but a violation of rights of americans who want to hire people. John two things, people want to come to freeload because we have a welfare state and some people want to murder us. All of that indicates welfare use among immigrants is far lower. We have a ban on welfare for five years. John for five years. Free schooling and if they go to the hospital, they cost money. They earn low wages and qualify for reduced Price School Lunches and they get them, and then we as americans go look, theyre on welfare. Well, not really. They are also paying an enormous amount of taxes, a lot more than they get in public benefits. Hundreds of thousands of people would pore in. Millions, it would be beautiful. That would be consistent with the 1800s, and as i say, it was a beautiful system and it worked. John so we have a smaller percentage of immigrants now. Its tiny, we have a virtual ban, ramping it up, tightening the controls, increasing the government, the surveillance on american business. John europe taking all these people wont cause problems . Aside from the current refugee crisis, europe constructed a successful extreme, open borders. John the guardian, europe is falling out of love with open borders. Yeah. The telegraph, west europeans want to end open borders. They have a gigantic welfare state, much larger than ours, and that has created tension. Im from texas and remember driving across the border to mexico when i was a kid and there were no controls. Like welcome to mexico, and it was beautiful. The system works very well for everybody. John but times have changed. Because the government changed them. Starting in the 1920s, it was a wicked policy, i think we abandoned it. This is the 21st century, a digital age, free trade means not only free trade in goods but free trade in economy too. John ed robbins says open borders have been a catastrophe for europe, a growing catastrophe for america, what makes one society obligated to pay for the failures of another. If we would chill out and open the borders, i dont think wed have the kinds of issues. What if people want to murder us . The terrorists . For the most part, john, there are bad people in the world, but you can make too big a deal out of that. I think its mostly propaganda. Its nativist hysteria. I would love to see the borders open up in the same way i wanted to see alcohol repealed. People who recommended that are considered crazy, what are you a drunk all over the streets . Heres the problem, once you get rid of freedom it tends to be difficult to get it back, people cant imagine how it would work, but freedom is wonderful. When you allow people to make their own deals with each other. 95 of immigrants are working and theyre working because americans want to hire the theyre doing wonderful things are in country. With freedom things work out. John i want to ask you, are any of you buying this . Do any of you want to have yes yes boy, i say youve got almost half the audience here. Thats awesome. Look, i think this argument it sounds radical but its really not. It is the american tradition. John until 1882 when we levied a head tax for the first time on 50 cents on each immigrant and excluded idiots, lunatics, convicts and persons likely to become a public charge. Almost impossible to talk about the history of immigration restriction without addressing the subject of racism and white supremacy. John there was a chinese exclusion act. Begins with the chinese, and the origin of the war on drugs, by the way john thank you, jeffrey tucker. Most americans might not like his argument, most think our National Borders are sacrosanct, mostly because people got drunk. With we return, my next guest will explain. That get fastacting, longlasting relief from heartburn with it neutralizes stomach acid and is the only product that forms a protective barrier that helps keep stomach acid in the stomach where it belongs. For fastacting, longlasting relief. Try gaviscon®. For fastacting, longlasting relief. Its from virtually anywhere. Rn of danger its been smashed, dropped and driven. 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