For the next meeting. Trish, back to you. Trish they want to have their cake and eat it too. We may see the rate hike if data. I want to get back to breaking news happening overseas. You have abaaoud, the suspected mastermind behind the terrorist attacks reportedly dead. It is believe he was killed in a sevenhour police raid of northern suburbs of paris. Police fired 5,000 round during their assault on the attackers hideout. There youre looking at video of that, of that event there last night that has come into us. At least two additional suspects are also killed, or dead. Though the identities are still under investigation. I want to get reaction here from president ial candidate jeb bush a little later in the hour. First joining me right now, the former Homeland Security advisor to president george w. Bush, fran townsend. Former u. S. Assistant secretary of state, p. J. Crowley. Both great to have you here. You will see what paris had to deal with last night, basically a shootout, there a war zone in apartment complex in a northern suburb of paris. This seems to really what its come down to. How do people in environment like this feel secure or is that just not possible, given the way the world is right now . When you look at the size of this gunfight, prosecutor tells us 5,000 rounds expended by police and security forces. You have got two dead. The building, the floor is collapsing, so they have been unable to identify those killed. They have not been able to confirm the identities. Look, this is incredible. Remember, you know, in paris, Police Officers arent even armed general le. So this is quite stunning to the people in paris, all over western europe. And i think people here in this country are rightly concerned about what is the likelihood were going to see something here . Look, the foreign, the majority of foreign fighters are in western europe. It is a smaller number here but the fbi estimates 250 foreign fighters back in the United States. They have almost 1000 subjects of terrorism investigations and the fbi director told us he has investigations into all 50 states. Trish here is the problem right now because those investigations could grow. Theyre talking about bringing 10,000 refugees in from syria into the United States of america in less than six weeks. We are a humane society. We want to help these people but at the same time were going to help ourselves and we have to take care of our own and i think there are some real legitimate fears as to where our security, our National Security is going to be if we bring in all of these people from this region of the world that may have sympathies to extreme islam. P. J. Crowley, join me with your thoughts on that. The administration says, yeah we can take them in. We should take more. Hillary clinton wants 65,000 more. There are plans from the administration to bump it up to 100,000 over next couple years. Realistically what does that do to our ability to protect the United States of america here on our own home turf . Well, i think we have the ability to protect the United States of america and also to be the humane people that we are but i trish by taking refugees in . I think we should do our duty. We talk about American Leadership on trish what is our duty . To bring them here to this country in your view . Well, look, you have a situation today where there are 16 million refugees in the world. More than existed at the end of world war ii. So we, the nights, have to be part of that the United States have to be part of that solution particularly if we say to other countries you should take your fair share. America leads by example f we say were not going do do it, than other countries will say the same thing, then what you have situation people caught between borders. We have no choice here. Trish maybe the answer, i want to stay on this, for a minute, fran, thinking about how, how do we solve the situation in syria so these people dont need to flee in the first place . That is exactly right. This refugee crisis is symptom of the underlying problem in syria that he failed to deal with frankly. We ought to have a strategy that deals with the chaos in syria, gets rid of assad, deals with isis and terrorism problem there. And by the way, i dont disagree we ought to have an adequate vetting system that would allow us to take folks in, ref geese in, but you will have the no adequate process to take 10,000 in the next six weeks. Should push gulf arab partners, saudis, emiratis, take their fair share in arabspeaking countries to take those in. Trish what do you think of that . I think there is more being done there than were acknowledging. By the way, in countries bordering syria today, lebanon, jordan, turkey, they have taken in some refugees that they have changed the demographics of their own country. I mean the region does need to do more. I think the region has to step up fundamentally so when you destroy the Islamic State it is done by arab armies, not necessarily by american armies. There is a lot more the region needs to do but if the United States is going to be leader here we have to do our share. Trish just quickly, i want to remind people, we are getting reports that the mastermind behind these attacks is dead. That i believe is according to the the Washington Post. However that has not been confirmed independently by us. But nonetheless, the Washington Post and some others, daniel, that correct . Confirming, yes, they are saying in fact this mastermind abaaoud, has been killed in the paris attacks. That said, fran townsend, its a needle in a haystack so to speak, you get one or game of whacamole, whatever analogy you want to use but there are plenty more. We got reports of course today eight suspects were arrested in turkey. They were trying to cross over into germany as quote, unquote refugees which gets back to the heart of this whole refugee issue that americans are worried about. Thats right. Look, the president sort of dismissed the governors concerns the other day but fact is, if this is an important priority of the president and as p. J. Said were doing the humanitarian duty, the president will have to work with congress, acknowledge concerns of the governors and talk to us about what that vetting process looks like so the American People can have confidence were not permitting an environment where isis and other terrorists can insert themselves in the flow of true refugees. Trish you have reality that the American People just dont like the idea of this one single bit. So i questioned politics of all this. I think may have ceded election to the republicans here because i think a lot of people throughout the country on both sides of the aisle feel pretty strongly about this one. That they want to be safe. P. J. , fran, thank you so much. You brought me of course to our next topic. More than half of the nations governors and now the house of representatives are trying to put a stop on president obamas refugee plan but the president is plowing forward, Going Forward with it anyway. Reit rag plan to steadily increase number of refugees, accepting 85,000 next year and 100,000 in 2017. Dont forget in less than six weeks he anticipates taking in 10,000 refugees in this country. He is firing back today at his republican critics. Listen to this. Apparently theyre scared of widows and orphans coming into the United States of america. First they were worried about the press being too tough on them during debates. Now theyre worried about 3 yearly orphans. That doesnt sound very tough to me and it needs to stop because the world is watching. You know the problem here he is making this political. Really doesnt need to be political. This is about National Security. Yet he is talking about whether republicans are scared of orphans and scared of debate moderators, neither of which having in to do with the reality. Joining me Scotty Hughes and emily tish, joining me. Since he got political well go there too. Scotty hughes, in an environment where were in right now where americans are very focused on their future, their security, their safety, is it tone deaf of the president to say, im going to ignore what 30 governors across the country want . Im going to ignore the wishes of the American People and i am going to bring in refugees from syria into this country anyway. This is just another example of this president politicizing a tragedy, to detract from the fact that 31 of americans think that the president s doing a bad job with isis. That was before paris happened. He sits there and throws out these shock and awe comments, we dont care about women and orphans, truth is, percentage of refugees that are 3 years old is only slightly under that is over 69 years old. Very small percentage. The bulk of these refugees are 18 to 54. Both equally men and women. As we saw last night with the woman who detonated herself when she was actually addressed by police, terrorism isnt sexist. We have to look at women as well as men. He is refusing to face the facts and try to make this another political escape tool for him. Trish emily, we all love to win in a world where we dont have to worry about the things we worry about but reality is, hundreds of people were just killed on the streets of paris, by people that are islamic extremists, and we have a president of this country that wont even admit that they are religious extremists. Whats wrong . Look, the president said in his statement immediately after that it is a heinous crime and it is, but i think we need to be honest who refugees are. They are those that are fleeing the country because they are fleeing the terror. And i think your last guest was right. The u. S. Is, we do need to be part of the solution. This is part of who we are as americans. We help people. 2 3 of those coming over are women an children. Look, the u. S. Has settled over 3 million refugees since 1975. And not a single one of them has ever perpetrated an act of terrorism. Trish emily what do you hay i will jump in. News out of turkey today, eight people arrested there, all posing as quoteunquote refugees from syria. You pretty much anybody can go out right now, 250 bucks, 10 days will get you a syrian passport. How are you possibly, emily, going to vet these people in such a way that you can insure me and everyone else and all our kids out there that were safe . I dont need to. I think the department of Homeland Security, terrorism, lets be honest what that system looks like. It is actually a 21step system that takes somebody who trish emily, 9 11. 9 11. Im going to bring up 9 11. People coming into this country that should have been here. When we want to cite our Immigration Department saying model of success reality we all know it is not. Emily, i will go back june of this year when it was released 73 workers of the tsa had terrorist ties. That is how well our vetting system works. 73 workers involved in our airports and contractors with our airports had ties to terrorism. That they caught. You know, right now they have arrested 70 different people connected to isis terror plots here at home. Many were refugees here seeking safety but were recruited by isis to be a part of this. These stories are over and over. Hence why people do not trust necessarily. You can not group all refugees with the group coming from syria. There are two different worlds people are escaping. I want to share with you guys a report from the Homeland Security committee that the house put out that i read through and it actually quotes our immigration services, a member of the immigration services, an official saying when it came to looking at background checks for these refugees that have come into the country, nearly 2,000 of them already here from syria, 90 , 90 of syrian refugee applicants, they get approved despite intelligence gaps an absence ability to thoroughly check for security risks. I dont know how you check all of these people in six weeks time and open the doors, to 10,000 potentially problematic individuals. Emily, scotttee, stay with us. Well continue this conversation. Jeb bush, everyone, unveiling a plan for National Security today, right here on the intelligence report. The president ial candidate will explain why his strategy, he believes is the best for keeping americans safe. Thats coming up. 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Not by trying to divide the country or suggest somehow that our tradition of compassion should stop now. Jo that is the president of the United States doubling down on his plan to bring Syrian Refugees into our country, even though his administration raised alarms about all of this are. Listen. Well not whoa know a whole lot about the refugees that come forward from the u. N. High commission for refugees and for settling and vetting. There are certain gaps i dont want to talk about publicly in the Data Available to us. Trish kind of a problem, right . Is refusing refugees really inhumane or is this common sense, given that we dont have the proper vetting procedures in place . Joining me diane black, congresswoman from tennessee. Your reaction to this the president saying this is effectively inhumane. We heard similar rhetoric from hillary clinton. But, is then, you hear, members of his own administration saying, there are gaps in our ability to vet these in so, is this just common sense . This is common sense when we use common sense to do number one purpose of administration and congress, that is to protect the American People. Even the assistant director of the fbi has said, were nowhere close to having a system where we can truly vet the people youre bringing into this country. Were compassionate people but we have to also putnam per one, the National Defense of this country in front of everything. Trish we have 30 governors here up, to 30, saying that we do not want these refugees in our states. We will not take them. But, once theyre here, i mean, representative black, what is to stop a refugee who moves to a state that allows them from going anywhere else in the country . That is the problem. Once theyre here in this country, were not going to track them. Weve not done a very good job tracking people that come over our border and are dispersed throughout our country. Many times you dont even know after they have been here for months even up to a year where in the world these folks are. So we dont have a system in place that we can assure the American People that yes, were doing what our number one job is, that is to protect the common defense of this country. Until we assure the American People that we have that uncontrol, we can not bring people into this country that may harm individuals. Trish let me ask you this, representative. Suppose, we go through with the 800,000 they take into germany. If i want to get on a plane to go to berlin tomorrow i can. Theoretically, those 800,000 refugees from syria at some point would be in line for a german passport. As we look forward to this issue, that we have, this problem, with islamic extremism, fest turing all over the world, are we going to run the risk that european passports are going to be with these terrorists are traveling on in the future . Trish bring up, a very, very good