they want to get. the question is will sinema and manchin hang tough? >> bill: if the price tag has been lowered, you wonder what stays and what goes. i don't know how you arrive at that, speaker, but here is aoc ncvs from sunday. >> the white house isn't making the demands to exclude universal child care or universal pre-k. this is coming from a more conservative wing of the democratic party, but those are the conversations we need to have because it is notoriously funny, and you can make $3 trillion bill, $1 trillion bill, make a $3 trillion bill that helps fewer people. >> bill: i need a flowchart for that. there was a deadline for september 27th. they blew by that. there was the deadline for september 30th. they blew by that. now they are talking halloween. we will see whether it happens or not. i mean, big picture,