president zelinski from palmar. -- zelenskyy from power. the ultimate goal is to level cities. >> sean: and your take a than hoffman? you know the intelligence officers as well. you had interactions with them over the years. anyone around him that might up to him and let's just say find a way to stop this by whatever means necessary? >> dan: i got a slightly different take from my friend rebekah. rebekah will know this russia saying. your own shirt is closest to your skin. the senior advisers, senior elite might not have a soul. but they are worried about their own future. they might -- some of them might think that they can discard that reporting, withdraw troops and maybe get back to some semblance