with frederick. >> she heard epstein stay, that frederick is in hawaii can we find him girls that is full when she called. >> what does that mean, underage girls or -- >> judge jeanine: yeah. >> in this conditi continenthis contextia.. >> yeah are. >> copperfield sat down at dinner and asked johann is, do you know that he is using girls to find other girls. that is knowledge. >> i will tell you this -- charles point, he was brilliant with the tax code but he was a network, a lot of people knew him, i represented him he was a member of board of trustees for years, i knew him well, not in that way, but my point he had -- was very with well within -- intermingling with wealthy and rich and the s sophisticates of new york,