the binds -- bidens, does this change the giuliani story in a fundamental way? >> i don't think so, i think there's enormous stench involving all of this stuff and that is been for a long time and details that the stench is strong. >> i think it's directly connected to the white house, the president asked us to read over and over again even at rallies, he indicted rudy giuliani, go talk to my buddy. howie: what do you make the president telling bill oh --