you were involved with was a hostage program? >> i was a crisis negotiator for the parent umbrella of the emergency operations unit. >> what did you do in that? >> i was a crisis negotiator. >> what does that mean? >> we would go out on barricaded subject or go out with a swat team, easiest way to describe it, on warrants. we would respond to calls where there may be people in danger. >> and was your job to try to negotiate with the subject and get him to submit to being arrested? >> yes, he or she. >> was that your main job? >> no, i was always the patrol officer. >> i mean, as far as a hostage negotiator, that's what you did? >> yes, i was a crisis negotiator. >> and what other programs were you in? >> i was on the law enforcement memorial association honor guard. >> what is that?