it is susan rice and everybody else in the obama's. they are thinking i don't believe they can win. i think that will be to their detriment. steve: this is what everybody looks to 2024. so i get the sense none of them actually is expect them to go through with it. >> run, joe run. go for it i don't think he can get to the next teleprompter engagement but if that's what he thinks that we all know like gavin newsom he looks in the mirror every morning just says hello good morning mr. president that's how he is do you think hillary clinton will just sit by tuesday we went more joe biden quick