10 00 a. M. In france when the two suspects believed to be the brothers everybody has been searching for especially the Thousands Police and counterterrorism experts in france han vuled intohas been called into action since wednesday. There has been an exchange of gun fire. Perhaps the most distressing of the entire situation if there is a hostage situation. At least one of the hostages believed to be a woman. So the suspects now there is a lot of gray area here because they havent connected all of the dots. We do know that when we went to bed last night we heard the story about how apparently the two brothers had robbed a gas station, stole some food and then made off into the woods either on foot or via a stolen car. That part is unclear. It went into this very thick forest. We hadnt really heard from them. However we do know half a dozen helicopters were over head during the nighttime hours they used night vision goggles. Apparently they saw something. Thats when the swat team did arrive near this it may have flushed them out into this small village in paris. Then they the swatbrothers took hostages in the small town 22 miles northeast of paris. It is a very small village, this particular area described as an Industrial Park. It sounds like a business area. Right. You have about 1500 police in the area. You talk about a country it is another definition of high alert a country of 88,000 Security Forces. There have been at least 5 choppers. Leah gabrielle has just come up from the studio. The Security Force you talk about a country not only is dealing with the horror of having 12 killed butand at least 11 wounded in a horrific shooting. You also have a country dealing with weather issues it has been pouring on and off as you start the intense manhunt. We know there are two gunmen believed holed up in a building. There is a report of at least one hostage and there have been reports of shots fired in a car chase. That is why suddenly the entire police force for france is in this town a couple dozen miles to the north and east of paris. These guys are so well armed they have shut down the airport because they did have high powered automatic weapons. They also did have some rpgs. There is nothing safe in the sky. Also you know sadly because of the video that has been obtained from the crime scene these guys are ruthless. They will take anybodys life wherever they are. From a military perspective france does have excellent Paramilitary Forces excellent swat teams. But we do know from what we have seen and the method these two men have used in their attacks that they are trained, that they come across as trained, that they are not your jv operatives when it comes to using weapons. We have seen they act calm, cool and collected under pressure. Some of the experts we spoke with this morning say when they start taking hostages that indicates they are really breaking down. Thats a desperate act. End of the road for them. Talk about training, we do know the older brother said kouachi involved in the murders of those 12 people at the newspaper on wednesday he was trained by al qaeda in yemen. We also know both of the brothers have been under the observation of french authorities apparently for a while. We do know the younger of the two brothers apparently was radicalized. He fell into a crowd where he loved to listen to one particular radicalized imam in one of the paris neighborhoods. The imam himself apparently a former janitor but he was a fire brand and he radicalized this particular brother. As question see now the older brother along for the ride. The younger brother had been convicted of terrorism charges in 2008. He had been assisting people who wanted to go into iraq to assist in fighting u. S. Forces. One of the questions that have been coming up these two men were on the u. S. No fly list. France is of course one of our allies but what kind of intelligence sharing has been going on that this ends up happening these were two people identified by french authorities. They also have strong ties to al qaeda and one at least trained in yemen. A man who has been fighting them for the last 13 years Gary Bernstein also understands the hostage situation. Put into perspective the mind set of the terrorists. Gary, you are seeing this unfold over the last hour or so. What is your take on whats happening right now . speaking on telephone whats happening in france is now they have identified the location they have probably brought in the gign. The intervention group. That is frances equivalent of delta force. These are the guys that did the rescue of flight 8969 in 1994. There were hundreds of hostages on a plane. They eventually breached the door killed the terrorists and saved the passengers. This is one of the greatest counterterrorism successes done by the gign. They are well thought of. By now they have their senior offices on the ground there. They are the guys that will be running this. You see them there that tells you the gign will be there. Also we know al qaeda we know they live to kill and they live to die. I suspect this is going to end at this location. The question is how many people did they take with them . I strongly suspect they will take many of the gign people. They are highly trained they will be armed defended they are going to do this systematically. They are going to do whatever possible to save the hostage. The leader got shot four times but rescued those people and survived. That was a grgn guy. Amazing guy. A major who led that team. These are very brave guys these french people that are going to do this. I would suspect it is not going to move from this location it will end at this location. These guys live to guy idie, i dont think they are going to negotiate out of this. The local authorities are telling the local people of this small town lock your doors dont let anybody in. There is a high school it is locked down. They are closing a couple runways at Charles De Gaulle airport. For what purpose . Why would they close it down . One of these guys may have had an rpg a couple days ago at the newspaper. They may be fearful. They may know there will be significant gun fight there they dont want the chance of any low flying aircraft. You dont know the approach patterns right over the top of this. With employing every mechanism of safety for the general public the french are going to go through these steps. The french are quite capable of handling these types of incidents there. It is on right there. As i said i do not think it is going to move from there. It will end in this location. I suspect it will end with terrorists hopefully they will be able to save the hostage. The older brother trained in if yemen. He has been linked to a huge prison break there as they tried to get out a few of their islamic terrorist friends and buddies. A couple of the prison breaks sadly were successful. Tell me about the fieptype of fighter i think of alabama whackfal al lack can i that was there for a long time. It is the National Home land of osama bin laden. The majority of the al qaeda guys were all yemenis. The vast majority we are holding at gitmo are yemenis. Yemeni yemen is the center of providing personnel for this. There was training done on the afghan pakistani border. You have a control in yemen. You will see more people continued to be trained in yemen. The other thing which as we study france and their country side they have essentially according to reports have almost given up on these muslim communities said essentially 2k3w06r7b yourselves. Govern yourselves. There is the Muslim Community and the rest of france. This is a tremendous problem across all of europe. Even if you look at places like sweden there are dozens of no go zones if the police go in there they are attacked by locals who set up governing counsels. This is a terrible pronblem in europe. A population of brussel is islamic now. Many of the belgian citizens not liking what they have seen have fled the city. You will probably have your first muslim mayor elected in brussel in the coming year or two. Gary, we are looking at pictures of a helicopter. We are seeing and hearing reports of a large military style operation on the ground there. Can you tell us whats happening from the airplane to the helicopters to the negotiations that may be taking place to the people on the ground . All of the aircraft that are there are there to deliver the people that are going to be managing the crisis. You have likely a gign officer the commander has a lead dern then an assault team which will be separate. You will have a Logistics Team a Communications Team a Public Affairs team that will deal with the public. The on scene commander will manage all of that. The on scene commander will have no direct toncontact with the hostages. Commanders neve negotiate and negotiators never command. It will be separate. We should explain whats happening on the left part of the screen as the camera guy cleanses the lens. That is the president to tell the world press what they know so far. If you are just getting up it is 12 minutes after 11 00 in the morning in france. Two suspects in the attack on the french magazine Charlie Hebdo surrounded by police in a building near paris in a small town by the name of denmark an goal. They are suspected of killing 12 people. Shots were fired earlier as the Police Chased a car believed to contain the suspects. There is one hostage according to police at this point. Details on the ground in france in paris. President hollande will be speaking to us. Will it be details or more warning to the people . I think it is a combination. He has been telling people to unite, mobilize and stand behind the authorities and stand behind the principles of this country. He has been very firm the french authorities will get their man and get their main suspects in this horrendous terror attack the biggest deadliest terror attack in 50 years. We are getting more information about what is going down and it is in dramatic fashion. Backtrack a little bit today apparently another car was hijacked by the two main suspects. They had been on foot abandoned one car they had over night. They were being chased by police through the forest about 45 miles northeast of paris. They came up to a sickedecondary road and waved down a car a compact car here and they hijacked that car and apparently got rid of that passenger. Discarded the passenger on the side of the road. We know that because that passenger then got in touch with police and the driver got in touch with police and identified the two main suspects. This happened early this morning french time. Now police know they are in this car and the car is heading toward paris. Thats a worse Case Scenario for french authorities. Yesterday the entire city was shut down with fears the terrorists were going to come back into the city and stage another terror attack. A roadblock was set up along this highway not a fourlane highway a secondary road. That is where a shootout occurred. Police exchanged fire with the terrorists. There were no casualties we are told at that point. They drove further in and road to their Current Location which is a Business Park an Industrial Park in a small town population 8,500 about 25 miles northeast of paris. They are hold up in a small business. It is a Printing Company. What is crucial here is that hostages were taken. Initially this is new information. Initially it is reported they had four hostages. That is probably the four people that were in the business. They entered the business somewhere between 8 309 00 in the morning friday morning. They for some reason we dont know why, for some reason through thethree of the four left, fled, were allowed to go. We dont know. We know there was one hostage being held it is reported it is a woman hostage. We dont have that confirmed. Let me just interrupt for a second. When they stormed the building killed 12 and wounded 11, they did go in there with the report now from an eyewitness not that they had an attack planned it was to kill the editor and everybody else. One of the attackers was heard to have said, we are not killing women. But yet the only hostage they have right now is a woman. Joining us now to help us with this hostage situation is jonathan giln. Not only is he somebody who is a navy seal an fbi guy and helping us out throughat fox news through all of the terrorist situations. It is hard to see this ending well with these two dead enders. We are looking at the way they started this the coordination they had the veracity of their fight, it is likely it will not end well. Not only not end well but end in a some what coordinated fight. That to me is probably the most worrisome thing right now is they have shown they have the ability to not only shoot move and communicate but also to shoot at targets and not just throw rounds down a range but to be effective fighters. Jonathan lets talk about the negotiations formerly taking place now with your experience with the fbi. France since the 60s they have been the target of terror attacks by algerian groups palestinian groups. Unlike the u. S. It is policy not to negotiate with terrorists. They have made deals with terror groups in the hopes of doing different things. New york times for example reported that france funneled 58 million in ransom payments to terrorists since 2008. Thats the most of any country. Should that give any hope that this hostage may make it out alive that potentially these two men may want money that there may be negotiating room that may get a hostage out alive. What is going into the hostage negotiations that are reportedly ongoing . speaking on telephone i tell you something the negotiations we never really had to negotiate with a hostage situation that was here a terror situation that was here. And i think over there probably what they are trying to do is if possible calm the situation down and then string it out to the point where they can handle the person similar to the way it was in australia where they continue to keep the individual talking for a long period of time and wear him down that way. That is what i perceive probably happening right now if they have them that cornered. We can give you information on that. We just understand they report now that the attackers, the men who were hunting the brothers that were hunting have been in communication with the French Police and want to make it clear they want to diaz martyrs. That was easy to see coming right there. You dont go over to yemen and train with someone like al qaeda and yemen and carry out an attack and be the type of person that doesnt want to die. Thats the mo, the standard mo is that their mission goes all of the way to martyrdom. It is a very scary thing because it is another factor you are adding into the fact that they can shoot move and communicate. Now you have guys that are also wanting to die not just willing, but actually looking for it. The chances are it is not going to end easily is a big thing. Hang on a second the president of france is speaking right now. We are hoping and we have simultaneous translation otherwise it will all be in french. speaking french okay that didnt last so long. These are the believed to be in the small town of dammartin engoele. Our own gregg palkot told us what happened in the last couple of hours is these two guys who we have been looking for car jacked another car, a small car and were heading back to paris and at that point they were engaged by police. Lets try once again to listen to the president of france francois holland. Precisely he can have confidence in you you are the state and you must approve so that the state is there in its place and itss place is to dae ploy all deploy all of the means necessary where this arises or places where it is targeted. You also have to reassure the population and thats certainly the idea. We have the deployment of forces more intensified in the last few days. The goal is to tell the population they are living in a state of law and with the desire to be together to actually refuse stigmatization caricatures and from that point of view the most upsetting therefore to ensure all our citizens can be fully involved in the recovery and also have to realize that we have to make sure we have Even Stronger prevention that we try to prevent the repetition of the events that have just taken place. Because after all one does know that certainly other similar events can take place for example in december there was a particularly serious events and where in fact sometimes one disaster can be used to provoke another disaster. So prevention intelligence, all of our systems of intelligence. I would like to salute the forces responsible for that intelligence. And finally we also have ensure the safety of the demonstrators that are taking place spontaneous ones and they were dignified and respectful. Demonstrations all citizens can come to participate in demonstrations, no control. Very simply with the same kind of determination and same kind of conviction that a number of our citizens will be present on sunday no doubt of it. Political forces or union forces to demonstrate but it is up to the citizens to decide whether they want to be involved or not. If they decide to go and there are very many of them then we have to also be able to reassure access and protect them. It is our responsibility they will be demonstrating in paris for sure. There will be some other demonstrations through out the country. Yesterday the president of the france he told me he assured me even in villages there would be some demonstrations. They must take place in the spirit of dignity which must characterize our response today. Also we must ensure security and protection of the demonstrators. Finally, there is an International Solidarity that has been expressed. It is really strong. First of all on the european level because after all we are all affected. The attacks which have also affected our friends and those countries also could be involved. Of course they are. They are also going to act at the european level. On sunday there will be a meeting of the home of his ministers which will take place here. The european home of his ministers and also cooperate with other ministers with other countries that are not here in the United States and the Prime Minister also is working very closely with certain other countries with regard to intelligence information, and there again that is something that is particularly im