Thinking about our show and about these media issues. Were back here every sunday. Next sunday morning, 11 k 00 and then 5 00 eastern with the latest buzz. Im chris wallace. Jordan escalates its war on jordan escalates the war on isis. What is the United States plan to defeat islamic extremism . Isis is a brutal vicious death cult in the name of religion carries out unspeakable acts of barajasism. If the president is sitting on the side lines and putting our allies at risk and allowing radical islam to run wild. We will discuss the threat and a strategy with a sit down with the director of the Defense Intelligence act, Lieutenant GeneralMichael Flynn a fox news exclusive. The Measles Outbreak becomes a political flash point for
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squadron of firefighters to jordan. Jordan dismisses claims that american aide worker was killed in a Coalition Airstrike as criminal propaganda. We are honored to have a rare interview with lat Lieutenant GeneralMichael Flynn who retired last summer as director of the Defense Intelligence agency, the pentagon c. I. A. Holding every top level military post and revolutionized how the military handles intelligence. General flynn welcome to fm news. The Obama Administration issued a new National Security strategy on friday and president obama writes this the challenges we face require strategic patience and persistence and the National Security advisor susan rice said this. The dangers we face could be more numerous and varied they are not of the nature we
confronted during world war ii or during the cold war. We cannot afford to be buffetted by alarmism and a nearly instantaneous news cycle. General is that the right way to look at the threat from islamic extremism . Let me start out by saying that obviously if you read the National Security strategy it is complex. This is not about one president or one administration or another. This is about the nations strategy going forward. I would tell you that we are facing a form of a cancerous component of the islamic religion which has a fanaticism to it that has everything which is against our way of life and they have declared war on us. We have to recognize that. The biggest challenge right new is what i describe as the wolf or wolf pack closest to the sled is isis. There are other wolf packs around the world right now that
are actually part of this larger expanding violent extremist version of islam. When the president talks about strategic patience, when susan rise says this is not an existential let; that an adequate response to the threat you laid out . I dont think it is. The American Public is looking for moral and intellectual courage and clarity and not a sense. I say it as pacifist or confusion. There is confusion about what we are facing. It is not just what has been defined as 40,000 fighters in the Islamic State in iraq and syria. It is also a large segment in this ready california version of islam that is actually
threatening our way of life. When you talk about pacifist or confusion is that what you see coming from the white house . I see it is not just the white house. I do believe when members of congress are yelling at white house for strategy and the white house is talking back to them, what they really need to do is sit down and figure out what is our strategy going forward. It is not about one administration but how do we move forward with radical islam. You say we have to adequately and accurately identify the enemy. Last week, general keane showed us a map and it is alarming. What you see is islamic terror groups, not just isis, but groups extending from pakistan and afghanistan all the way across the middle east into north africa. Precisely, scene who or what is the enemy . Ten years ago i was drawing
that map and there were only two or three dots on it. Today what we see on the map like that is a doubling of the enemy. A doubling of the enemy . Or more. Usually our numbers we define the size or scale of the enemy we are facing usually lower than what it is. I would tell you what we have in front of us and the strategy we have had for a decade which is sort of this counterterrorism strategy that is only a component of an overall strategy and what we have to do is recognize it is not working, the counterterrorism Component Works fine to go after the high value targets and the key leaders but we need a broader strategy that recognizes we are facing not just this tactical problem of isis in iraq and syria but as the map shows we are facing a growing expanding threat around the world particularly in the trans region of the middle east
and central asia and north africa and subsaharan africa. Are you saying after all these years we do not have a could herrent strategy full 360 degrees to combat terrorism. The strategy we had is clearly not working and just look at the kind of things we are facing. In my world, what i have grown up to do is define the enemy we face. You cannot defeat an enemy you do not admit exists. We have to clearly twin what the enemy is. That is number one. The next thing is to clearly articulate a strategy that is producter than just counterterrorism producter than just i hate to use the military vernacular of airstrikes but i feel like we are kind of like a Football Team with the quarterback at the muddle and the quarterback says
ready, break and everyone is supposed to step to the line and the team moves down the field together to the goal line to win. I feel like when we say ready break, all players that are on team are going off into different stadiums playing different sports. We do not have an effective strategy that is coherent that addresses the wider problem. I want to get into that in a moment but this week seemed to be something of a turning point with the savage burning to death of the jordanian pilot you had a huge explosion with jordan escalating efforts and we hear expressions of outrage in cairo in adequate qatar and turkey. Is this a turning point . We should quit using turning point, and tipping point. There are multiple turning
points and multiple tipping points. We need to come to grips with the cancerous form of islamic religion that is breaking down the arab world order. That is very clear. All you have to do is look at the Different Countries where the groups exist. That breakdown of the arab world order is aifing europe and this country. We have as our great director of the f. B. I. Said recently in a statement that he made in mississippi, i believe, talking about the numbers of radical islamists that are in this country that are being convinced to go overseas as part of this effort that is happening in the middle east right now. Just a stunning number of foreign fighters alone that have traveled to syria and the numbers of countries somewhere between 40 and 50 so we have to come to grips with this. It is not just a problem in iraq and syria. Getting off the counter
terrorism side you have said we have to combat what is going on in the middle east and also outside the middle east with the recruits with economic efforts, with cultural efforts, with psychological efforts to fight this ideology. How . I think first thing we have to do is look at how are we organized inside of our own country to deal with it and we have to look how to organize ourselves internationally and for our own country it is looking at how the state department is involved in this, how the department of defense is involved in this and how the c. I. A. Is involved in this. All three of those components have a role nationally. We have to organize better in order to achieve what we want to do in our own self interest and internationally we have to come to grips with the arab nations that are part of this problem in man cases to get them to come together. It is not just what is happening in jordan or what is happening in saudi or what is going on in
libya or mali or nigeria they all need to come together but there are problems. You have suggested an arab nato, kind of mutual Defense Organization like we have with our allies in western europe s that realistic . To get the countries come together . If we dont we will see a breakdown define the leader and the last. The countries, all of them, are at risk if they do not come together and welcome together to achieve what it is we are all saying is to get to this moderate form of islam if it exists. I was sent a note about where we have had 126 muslim scholar recently crying out about this time of islam is not appropriate for that particular religion. Why only 126 . There should be 126,000. More of the arab nations more
of the leaders need to step up to the plate. How do we do that . Again, what you have pointed out these are not just kids but sometimes middle age professionals, doctors engineers, teachers. They obviously find something from isil and the other groups that is attractive and appealing to them. How do we exchange shake some sense into them . For the young people it is a disconnect between what i would describe as the leader or their parents and the Young Children attracted to this. The economic depravity, the corruption that exists in the nations, we have to recognize that the social and cultural psychological underpinnings that are at risk and are challenging these countries are going to come back to bite them. That is what we are seeing. You do not want to be political about this and you have made it leader and i respect that but there was a comment made this week by president obama i want to play. Unless we get on our high ruers and horse and think it is unique remember during the crusades people committed terrible deeds in the name of christ. Honestly general at this particular moment in time when we are in a brutal fight and we have seen how brutal it can bees how productive is it for the president to put what isis is doing in Historical Perspective with what the west did a thousand years ago and how productive to use the word crusades which they throw at us to come out of 9 president s mouth . The risk we take by
comparing religions to religions, what we should do is look at one side being those contributing nations of the world, those that are willing to help the greater good of humanity against this radical form of islam and that is where i am. That is where we need to be projected ourselves forward and not looking we should study history and know it and recognize it for what it is. Right now as i said earlier, the world closes to the sled is the radical islam and the tactical issue is isis or isil in the greater levant area which is syria and iraq and lebanon and jordan, et cetera, but the wider problem is not just trans regional in that part of the world but it is global. 40 to 50 countries supplying fighters to the fight . The middle east . Come on when you were hid of the Defense Intelligence agency if
you heard the president talking about the crusades what would you have said . I would recommend he talk about Something Else because why think it is present. Why think it is appropriate to compare religions to religions. This is we are not about religion fighting religion but about the greater good of the people of this planet morally this country fighting against evil that exists and the evil that exists is inside of this religion. It is like other ideologies we face. We faced the nazis. We faced the communists. We defeated those ideology. This is an ideology we will have to face. Those contributing nations of the world and those arab nations, if they do not come to grips with this they are going to fell the pain. Finally you have compared the fight we face against the islamic extremism to world war ii or to the cold war and our
battle for half a century against the communists and you have called for a unified chain of command lick we have with general eisenhower and world war ii against the nazis you were there in the pentagon at the d. I. A. For the last couple of years, who was in charge of this war right now . Good question. We need to be asking that question. It cannot be the president. It cannot be the secretary of state. The reason why i used eisenhower because general eisenhower, get the nazis in europe and win the war, here are the resources and the authorities and the per anythings and everyone is going to work for you to achieve that purpose. He did. I have to ask, is there anyone who is in that role right now . I can not say i know who it is. Why. Which means there isnt. If everyone is in charge no one is in charge. It is like the fool analogy, we are saying ready break and everyone is going interest different stadiums. This is not something we can we have to face the reality we are staring at us in the face the, expansion of radical islam and they are against our way of life. We have to ensure we understand that. The growth of it, over the last decade it goes between a couple of administrations and it will continue to go as i said the statements i have made, it is more than something that will be solved in the next two years, this will have to take ten years, maybe an entire generation or more. Thank you, general flynn, for joining us. Please come back. I would love to continue the conversation. Coming up as jordan escalates the airstrikes is the middle east at a turning point in the war on terror . Our sunday group joins the conversation. At ally bank no branches equals great rates. Its a fact. Kind of like mute buttons equal danger. That sound good . Not being on this phone call sounds good. Its not muted. Was that you jason . It was geoffrey it was jason. It couldve been brenda. Oh im on the cookie air diet. You just. And thats it. I prefer real food fruit, nuts, and whole grains. Great grains cereal starts whole and stays whole. More processed flakes look nothing like natural grains. Lets get real. Meet the worlds newest Energy Superpower. Surprised . In fact, america is now the worlds number one natural gas producer. And we could soon become number one
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ingraham, and juan williams. Bob, you wrote a book about obamas war. How do you explain this week his talking in his National Security strategy about strategic patience and calling comparing what were doing to the crusades a thousand years ago. What do you make of those kind of comments at a time when we are the war against isis seems to have if anything, only become more urgent . If you talk to people in the white house and the military, i think theres agreement and john mccain is right and general flynn is right, there is no strategy. They have not sat down and said this is where we want to go and this is how we want to do it, and the measure of that, when you get in the weeds here people from the white house are micromanaging the tactical
situation on a daily and weekly basis. Thats not their job. They have to kind of do Strategic Planning and say what do we want to accomplish in the next year. Wait a minute, are you saying that forgive me, susan rice, is telling the generals what to do . And they have got all these people in the white house, you talk to people in the military who are there and they say we are being micromanaged and were not given a real plan to say what are we going to do here, and its not the way to run a war or try to win a war. Now, in fairness, this is a very difficult, ugly situation, and what they need is george canon, of containment. To deal with the soviet union, who worked on a bipartisan basis, republican and
democratic, and said were going to contain the soviet union and talked to the workinglevel people and they say where are we going . Karl, just on an issue of leadership, i very much doubt that during the london blitz that Winston Churchill would have somehow put what the nazis were doing in Historical Context with what the anglosaxons have done a thousand years before . There are two fundame