Hopkins center for Health Security. And perm care businesses can reopen personal care businesses can reopen. Chris oklahoma among the first states to reopen businesses, raising questions about Public Health. Theyll go Governor Kevin Stitt its too much too soon. Plus, foreign powers flex their muscles in the mid ifst of the coronavirus. Well ask our sunday panel about the new test of american resolve. Chris and our power player of the week, a broadway legends quest to spread joy and hope after his own battle with the coronavirus. All right now on fox news sunday. Chris and hello again from fox news in washington. The u. S. Death toll from the coronavirus now tops 53,000 in just two months. Thats close to the number of all the americans killed in the vietnam war over 19 years. Now some states like georgia and oklahoma are starting to reopen businesses despite warnings from Public Health officials that relaxing restrictions too soon could lead to more cases and more deaths. But the economic pain is severe. With unemployment numbers in this country not seen since the great depression. In a moment well speak with the secretary of the treasury, Steven Mnuchin. But first, lets bring in Mark Meredith with the late on the debate over when and how to reopen. Reporter some governors are easing Health Restrictions to allow certain businesses to reopen now while others are holding off just a little bit longer and begging people to stay home. What i would say is simply this stay home. Reporter atlantas mayor is furious Governor Kemp is allowing gyms, bowling alleys and barbershops to reopen. I own a salon in savannah, georgia, and i am not happy in the situation weve found ourselves. Reporter Health Experts fear it could lead to more cases and an increased death toll, but some americans tell us theyre not worried. I would, without hesitation, visit businesses that are opening in my state, and i live in east texas. Reporter in oklahoma some businesses began reopening this weekend. Next friday the state will allow gyms, theaters and restaurants to reopen if social distancing is kept in place. Meantime, michigans governor is extending her states lockdown until mid may. The data shows that most are staying home and staying safe. Reporter the white house says 5 million has been tested so far. As testing increases, the number of confirmed causes in the u. S. Will go up. People should not be discouraged by those numbers. We are looking at very positive trends in hospitalization, in emergency room entrances. Reporter but some experts say the availability of testing remains an issue. We still are not where we need to be in testing. Reporter forcing governors to make decisions without the data they may need. The president appears to be cutting back on the Daily White House briefings, there was only a short one on friday where the president did not take questions. We didnt have a briefing on saturday, well wait to see if theres one later on today. Chris . Chris Mark Meredith reporting from the white house, thank you. And joining us now, treasury secretary Steven Mnuchin whos a member of the president s Coronavirus Task force. Mr. Secretary, welcome back to account fox news sunday. Thank you, chris. Good to be back with you. Chris President Trump says that once the country reopens, that were going to see a sharp, quick recovery. Here he is this week. Were going to rebuild it, and were going to rebuild it better, and its going to go faster than people think. I built it once, ill build it a second time. Chris how sharp a recovery do you see . And how soon, sir . Well, chris, i think as we begin to reopen the economy in may and june, you are going to see the economy really bounce back this july, august, september. And we are putting in an unprecedented amount of Fiscal Relief into the economy. Youre seeing trillions of dollars thats making its way into the economy, and i think this is going to have a significant impact. Chris but that quick bounceback that you talk about goes against the forecast of most experts. Take a look at these numbers, sir. The Nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office now projects gdp will shrink by 5. 6 total this year. Unemployment will end 20, they project, close to 12 . And your former company, goldman sachs, said the global hit will be four times worse than the 2008 great recession. Question are all those independent experts wrong . Well, chris, weve never seen anything like this. This is not the financial crisis. This is a scenario where weve closed the economy, and were going to open the economy. So all these models are based upon health assumptions, how quickly we reopen. So well see. My own opinion is, again, we have unpress debilitied amount of unprecedented amount of liquidity in the system. Were very sympathetic to all the people out of work, but there is enhanced unemployment, theres ppp, theres direct deposits. And as businesses begin to open, youre going to see demand side of the economy rebound. Chris lets talk about the ppp. The president just signed a bill that congress had passed, another 310 billion for the paycheck protection program. But the first round i think it was 250, 300 billion the signup for that ran out in 13 days. How long do you think this next tranche is going to last, and can you guarantee that big corporations, like, ruth chris that got money the first time around but wont even get money this final is this time . I want to thank everybody at the sba and the treasury because we launched a Brand New Program in an incredibly short period of time. And the fact that we ran out of money just goes to show the success of this. Let me put this in per spect. In the first round, over a Million Companies had workers of 10 people below, and there has been a lot of focus on these bigger companies, we made it clear if they shouldnt have apply pded, theyre paying back the money. So i think youre going to see this move in the right direction. And i think youre going to also see in this round the average loan size go down significantly. Chris but to my other question which was that the money for the First Program lasted less than two weeks, how long do you expect this money to last . Chris, to me, its not a matter of how long it lasts. The, actually, i think the sooner the money is disbursed, the better. The first round impacted about 30 million workers. I think this round will be about the same. Thatll be close to 50 of the private work force, so i actually hope we run out of money quickly so we can get the money into the workers pockets. Again, in this round were making it clear that Small Businesses have access. Weve signed you have a lot of cdfis, were signing up more of them, so were going to make sure this is distributed fairly. Chris congress is already talking, with all the money thats already been disbursed, is talking about another bill, and one of the big issues this is whether or not to give 500 billion in relief to state and local governments so that they can continue to pay First Responders and other workers and to provide services. This Week Senate Majority Leader Mitch Mcconnell and new York Governor Andrew Cuomo split sharply about that. Take a look, sir. I would certainly be in favor of allowing states to use the bankruptcy route. Its saved some cities. He says maybe the states should declare bankruptcy, okay . This is one of the really dumb ideas of all time. Chris does the president support giving aid, hundreds of billions of dollars, to the states, and what would the economic effect be if major states like and illinois were to declare bankruptcy . Chris, i first want to just say i really want to thank the senate and the house for the unprecedented and bipartisan support. The bill first passed 960, and this one with unanimous consent in the senate. So my comment on this is this will be something that both the senate and the house debate, itll be something that we discuss on a bipartisan basis. The president has heard from governors, he wants to speak to governors. This is something well consider, but our focus right now is really on execution. And thats what were focused on. And if we need more mentioner as ive said, this is a war, well win this war. If we need to spend more money, we will, and well only do it with bipartisan support. Chris all right. Let me pick pup on that last pick up on that last point because with all of the money thats already gone out, the National Debt will by the end of this year exceed the gross domestic product, the total output of the economy, itll be over 100 of gdp which has always been considered a kind of red line for stable economies. How much to do you worry about a debt in excess of 100 gdp . The good news is Interest Rates are extremely low, so if you look at the portion of the budget were allocating to interest, its extremely low, and were locking in longterm rates to make sure this additional money will be locked up over a long period of time. Over time that is something were going to need to look at, how we deal with that eshoo. But right now were in a war, and we have to protect American Workers and american business, and were going to do whatever we need to take to do that. If. Chris in the time we have left id like to do a lightning round. Ive done these with you before, quick questions, quick answers. We see states starting to reopen. If they reopen too quickly, if we see a spike in cases, a second spike, how damaging would that be to the economy . I think we have to balance this in this time with the advent of testing, more testing, the advent of antibody testing, i think were going to be able to monitor this very, very carefully. Chris will the administration bail out Oil Companies . Because as you well know, there are some critics who say that, yes, there are problems that came from the coronavirus and the global drop, but a lot of problems of Oil Companies were of their own making before we ever got into this pandemic . Chris, let me be very clear, the president has said no bailouts to any companies whether that was airlines or Oil Companies. We will consider, again, loans to companies in a proper scenario of strategic importance but no bailouts. No shareholder bailouts. Chris and would you consider loans to Oil Companies . That we would, and were looking at it carefully. The secretary of energy and i are studying it, and were looking at it very care flu. Carefully. Chris finally, some Top Republicans are talking about going after china to punish them for their failure to be much more transparent at the very start of this pandemic and, in fact, the attorney general of missouri has already sued china. How do you balance on the one hand wanting to hold china accountable, to hold them responsible, but on the other hand were in the middle of a pandemic, were in the middle of a Global Economic crisis, wanting to protect global markets, especially global trade . Well, for the moment we need to work globally to conquer this virus. But the president s made very clear he wants to understand what china knew, when they knew it, and if they knew things that they didnt turn over that could have stopped this, he will hold them accountable. 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Chris as policy makers debate when and how to reopen state economies, Public Health officials continue to warn about the danger of moving too fast. Joining us now from baltimore, dr. Tom inglesby, director of the center for Health Security at Johns Hopkins university. Doctor, good to be with you again. Morning, chris. Chris where are we with the virus . Have we reached the peak . Are we on the down slope of the virus, and now that we see the thurm of deaths over 53,000, almost 54,000 this morning can you give us a sense of the range of how many deaths we may see from this virus overall depending on how careful we are in reopening . Yes. I would say that we are, for lack of better words, maybe near the end of the beginning of this pandemic in this country. We have reached a plateau nationally at this point. Trends can change over time, but at this point we have a plateau in new cases per day. Unfortunately, its a very high plateau. We still are seeing about 30,000 new cases of covid19 every day in the United States and still are seeing something on the order of 2,000 deaths per day. So we are not out of the woods by any means in terms of this pandemic, but at least weve reached kind of a stable nurple of new in number of new infections and the number of people who are dying from this illness. [inaudible conversations] chris let me just say as one point we were talking about models, one million people. Then it was 100,000 people, then it was 60. Now were up to 53,000, so give me a sense of the number i understand these are predictions, but the number of fatalities we might see from this. So i think modelers are pretty reluctant to model way beyond a month or two out from now because of so many variables. If we change our social distancing policies and depending on how well states get prepared for easing into the reopening, that could change outcomes quite a bit. But the leading models at the moment predict anywhere from 58,000 deaths to 110,000 deaths in the next month in the United States. I think no ones really modeling beyond that. And really its going to depend on many things that are difficult to wrap up into a single number. Chris all right. Let me ask you one more question trying to foresee the future. Vice president pence gave a timeline this week for when were going to come out of this. Here he is. If you look at the trends today, then i think by memorial day weekend we will largely have this coronavirus epidemic behind us. Chris memorial day weekend, doctor. Is that realistic . Well, at this point if you go state by state, you see that about half of the country, in half of the country the numbers are still rising daytoday. And about another third of the country, there seems to be a leveling off. And only a minority, in the minority of the country the numbers are actually coming down day by day. And so i dont think its likely that we will be at that position by memorial day, but more importantly wherever we are in the epidemic, this virus is going to be with us until we have a vaccine. So as we ease up on social distancing measures and economies begin to very carefully reopen, we are at risk of recurrence or respikes in the illness. In the epidemic. So i think Everyone Needs to be aware even as were beginning to open up again, there is a clear chance of a rise in cases in states that are doing that. Chris lets talk about that because a number of states, as you know, are beginning to reopen. Spas, salons, gyms, even restaurants. Is that safe . For peopling you know, you talk about a spa where people are giving massages, a salon where people are filing peoples nails or cutting their hair, that safe, for people to be that close at this point if theyre Wearing Masks and gloves . I dont think its going to be possible for anyone to Say Something safe, completely safe at this point because the virus is very transmissable between people and because some people dont have symptoms, at least either in the beginning of the illness or maybe even at all during their illness. But we can say some things are safer than others, and businesses that have small numbers of people are probably safer than businesses that have very large numbers of people. And the closeness of the interaction, that also is a factor. So if people are going to be closely interacting, they should be using personal protective equipment if thats available in their state. And outdoors will be safer than indoors. So there is a range of different, there are going to be a range of different risks that businesses face, and its important for all b