Big city highway . Tonight the cop who got justice for baby hope. And rounding up more of the biker bandits who busted up the guy in the land rover. [ inaudible ]. Tonight, debating gloria allred. An innocent victim trying to help the driver of the suv when he was run over. Is he broken biker client a victim or a perp. And the end of a tumultuous week in washington. This is a terrible deal. This deal embodies everything about the washington establishment. That frustrates the American People. The debt ceiling catastrophe narrowly averted. Still waging allout war on obama care. Obama care isnt working,able not only isnt it working, it s is not working fast enough. Now, senator cruz has a new target. President obama has said that the day after the budget d. C. Made hes going to come up on immigration. Yeah. Yes. Says hell start by deporting ted cruz. Up front tonight, was the frenzy worth it . I would do anything, and i will continue to do anything i can, to stop the train wreck that is obama care. Did the cruz missile, its unchastened by the disaster he has brought on the Republican Party . Should he be . Is he now the real captain of the gop ship . To debate and discuss that point with me in boston, americas most famous lawyer Alan Dershowitz joins us. Professor dershowitz, welcome onboard. Taking the stand, his big hit autobiography out now. Here at home base we welcome the cohost of the five my best frenemy, eric bolling joins us. So should he be first of all, can i youre pointing a finger at ted cruz for something you perceive that, as terrible. Right . I think theres a whole group of the american conservative base that says ted cruz stood up, stood up what we believe in, did the right thing. Not the way you painted it. As a disaster that he oversought or captained, instead of what it really was. It was an enlightening moment for the American People. They found out who are conservatives and who arent on the right. Second part of your question, the new de facto leader of the Republican Party. I dont think so. I think he showed the American People that the right has two factions. Establishment right and conservative right and i think the real leaders may be the ones who are playing the background, rand paul, chris christie, marco rubio. With you but never came forward and made themselves as local and obvious at ted cruz did. Watch for those three. You said he was flirting with acting in an unconstitutional manner, senator ted cruz. Do you still believe that and you can also followup on what eric said. Ted was my student. A brilliant student. Always very, very principled. Came into my class with his righthand raise and never put it down and he doesnt surprise me. I think he is a man of principle. I think move on, the Left Wing Organization that yesterday announced they want to indict people on the right, people who are republicans, people involved in this are absurd. I would be thrilled to defend ted cruz or any of the other republicans on the right, though i disagree with them. Their punishment will come from the electorate, not the crim gnat justice system. Ted cruz and others are the greatest gift to the democratic party. Your previous guess was right. It Shows Division among republicans and americans according to polls dont like what they see about the republicans. They dont like people who want to shut down the government. So i think this is a political debate. It should be played out politically, not in a legal system. And i think in the end, cruz will lose. And he will hurt the republicans. And in one way he may not care, because she a man of principle, and he wants to do the right thing. If a new president kennedy were to write a book called profiles in courage ted cruz may fit into the that book. He is a profile in courage. s although on the wrong side of history and the wrong side of what best for america, but she a man of principle. With all due respect, i absolutely acknowledge his constitutional understanding, and knowledge, but i would have to say, stay out of the economics boardroom, because thats where youre failing. There was no risk of default. There was never a risk of default. Weve taken 250 billion a month, service our get, it says we have to in our constitution, i agree with. Service our debt to the tune of 24 billion. There is no fiscal chance we would ever default. So there was nobody you cant take a chance with the american economy. Of course you can. How are you going to default when you take in ten times more than what servicing your debt costs . Its not going to happen. Its a matter of perception. A matter of what the world, the economy thinks about us, and perception has made america the laughingstock of the rest of the world. Disagree. You know why i disagree . The bond market disagrees, the stock market, all the markets. The global markets, all global, disagree with you vehemently. New highs in the s p. Please. No resolution. What it costs to borrow. It youre right and the left is right, all of these thing s woud be happening. Double to borrow money from china. Wait a second. It did hold on, though. Back below before the whole shut down. You lefties in the media and all that, professors, blow a big horn saying all of academia. I love the way youre scientific. Okay. Wait bottom line, no disaster, and never a threat of disaster. Professor got it. Now, wait a second. Heres my question. It costs me cost the american taxpayer 24 billion. In other words, 24 billion because of the shutdown was added to the deficit that the right is constantly complaining about. It comes to 70 per head. Im the father of five children. Ted cruz cost me that 350, plus 140 for me, erica, my wife and everybody else i support. Is fiscally responsible for a conserve toiv do something that cost the treasury money . Im laughing. Liberals talking fiscal responsibility now. President obama tacked on so far, has tacked on almost 7 trillion in debt. All the debt, if you add up all the debt between George Washington and george bush, doesnt even include, couldnt even exceed the 7 trillion that president obama put out. I have to tell you, its worth can i Say Something here . Has to be calculated. Hold it there. Professor dershowitz, youll get your chance for rebuttal. Folks, later in the show were probe the latest screwup by the Justice Department involving the transfer of, get this, hand grenade, to mexican drug dealers, and well meet the could be who unravelled the baby hope mystery, right after this. Bold has a huge imagination. 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When it comes to telling people that theres not going to be preexisting conditions that will disqualify them, that theyre not going to have to give up personal doctors if they want to pay for them, but that every american like every person in massachusetts has the right to health care. The United States constitution provides for the general welfare. Are you now saying that the Commerce Clause would not allow the United States supreme court, even chief justice roberts, upheld it, under the commerce laws and under the taxing power. You can have that debate. You dont engage in extortion shut down the government and on the other side, the left shouldnt engage in threatening this conduct, threatening the way move on does. I challenge the extremes. Right and extremes of the left i challenge you eric bolling i challenge you to show me in a document where it says that the government can tell me i have to buy a good or service . And the way they it and got around it, was by instead of calling it a fee they called it a tax. Ill tell you where its at. The same provision of the constitution that says your child has to be vaccinated. The same provision. Constitution that says your son has to serve in the armed forces. We sometimes have to compel people to do things that they may not choose to do in the general interests of the United States. Here youre being compelled to do something i totally disagree. Your comment was that senator cruz upheld the american the hostages, whatever terms you used. Extortion. Fine. Extortion, great. Same thing. So what are fiscal conservatives supposed to do . If Congress Holds the checkbook . In an election run. Win elections. Hold on. Finish your point. The constitution, gives a checkbook, the pen to write the checks to congress, and congress is to the house, and the house is held by republicans, and republicans want to say before i sign up another trillion or two or three trillion in debt i want to discuss how we spend that trillion or two or three in debt. How america spends it. Why . Theyre playing by the rules, sir. Absolutely. Let me tell you how other countries now deal with this. For example, recently in israel they tried to do the same thing and passed a new statute saying if the knesseknesset, the congr refuses to country the government automatically certain things come into play. Thats the way it should work here. Either side should not be able to extort. I dont apreserve of the filibuster or in i believe in democracy. That means you run for election. And people write a check let me finish. Harvard have you teach your it children constitutional lauer . Youre basically saying you can do as long as i god bless you. All right. Hold it. Im going to you can have im going to impose my moderators position here, because were running out of time. I finally want to ask, i mentioned Immigration Reform. Ted cruz has a soft target with Immigration Reform. Dont you agree, eric, he can sabotage president obamas aspiration and in doing so damage gop prospects, because latino voters wont go to the Republican Party . Im interested to hear what ted cruzs full plan is and as well what marco rubios plan is. I have an alternate plan. Talking about the privatized i have an idea, geraldo. If want to let the 11 Million People here stay here, fine. When they turn 18, or 30, have to serve a year in the military. A good idea. And in terms of Immigration Reform . The president Immigration Reform one of the most important things we have in this country. I wouldnt be here today, geraldo. You wouldnt be here today. Half of the nobel Prize Winners wouldnt be here. Many of my family came here illegally during the holocaust, became great and wonderful citizens. We are a nation of immigrants. Lets maintain that tradition and keep or borders open, consistent with national security, the safety and welfare of this country. So i welcome the obama plarch and oppose the cruz plan. And thats the professor. Eric, last word. Senator cruz did everything by the book, sir. The book you teach ensingle day to your students. I apologize if it was rude. I cant believe parents wript checks to harvard to have their kids learn constitutional law. Apologized then said it again. Your interpretation of the constitution varies vastly and widely from mine. My friend eric bolling. Love being on tv with that guy as i do you, professor. And the october oh biography, and ladies and gentlemen, we and ladies and gentlemen, we shall return after if youve got it, you know how hard it can be to breathe and man, you know how that feels. 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And now vince apparently turning the other cheek as the bad guys in mexico are getting and using hand grenades that come from the United States. How in the world did this thing happen . Well, it was just a comedy of errors under the same vacuum of leadership that was going on. It wasnt part and parcel of fast and furious investigation. It was it was dynamic in its own way, but clearly, the leadership of the Phoenix Field Division at the time that was responsible for fast and furious did not enhance our abilities to prevent the componentry from going into mexico. Thats a fact. All right tell me about this guy. He had grenades, or grenade parts, and he walked the grenade parts into mexico, reassembled them, gave them to the Mexican Drug Cartel and the atf knew about it . Is that a fact . Well, thats thats a stretch of some of the facts. He definitely had some of the componentry, the bodies. Which in and of itself not illegal in the United States, but clearly would have and did, in fact, for some of our agent, raise huge red flags when they wanted to act on it they were prevented from doing so. And you know, with limited legal justification, since they arent illegal in the United States as an individual component. Against the better judgment of the at tatache in mexico who dit want to participate, they went across the border, were later assembled and we know from the significant incident report this week that theyre reassembled into destructive device and used in a pretty major shootout last week. Whats the idea . Why in the world are we allowing grenade components to go to mexico and into the hands of the drug cartel . Is the idea that they get the grenades and use the grenades, so we know whos using the grenades, so they kill people with our stuff and then what . No. That that goes back to the fast and furious philosophy, and we know how that turned out. This particular case, there was some, again, you had a a rogue leadership in the Phoenix Field Division with the support of atf headquarters not wanting to rein them in. The agents were fully prepared to go ahead and seize those componentries, and let them deal with the consequences or explain his purposes, but there was such a vacuum and lack of communication and refusal of phoenix bosses to cooperate with the attache in mexico who prishgt predicted this would happen, it fell apart. Its a failure of leadership is what it was. No way the agents were going to allow that to happen. Vince, stand by. Radio host j. D. Hayworth, former republican congressman from arizona joins us. What is this . Vince isic maing distinctions here. Is this fast and furious 2. 0 . Havent we learned anything . Heres whats going on, and i appreciate vinces focus on atf. Lets also understand what was at work here. The United States attorney who put all of this into motion, the former righthand man or should i say lefthand man of janet napolitano, played an active role not only in fast and furious but it appears his fingerprints are all over this decision not to go after batiste, the guy dealing with hand grenades. An unwillingness to prosecute from this Justice Department and to complete the fast and furious 2. 4, geraldo, youre taking a look at something where president obama has lowered a protective curtain of executive privilege over attorney general eric holder, as for secretary napolitano, she, of course, is not absconded to california running the uc system, and i guess the lesson to be learned is, open borders, illegals and lawlessness on our border with mexico and weapons smuggling into mexico in the perverse notion somehow you can reflect unfavorably on law abiding americans exercising their Second Amendment rights, the fast and furious from the crowd in charge right now, and dennis burk, janet napolitano, eric holder and president obama have not been held accountable. J. D. , obviously, putting a political spin on this. No. Thats not a political spin, geraldo. I got it. I heard the i heard you. Richard nixon had said it was executive privilege that covered all of watergate, you would have been livid. It is not political im livid enough. Livid enough, congressman. Let me give vinc