First, earlier today foxs own ed henry pressed White House Press secretary josh earnest about why the president thinks that it is unamerican and immoral to interrogate terrorists but its okay to kill them with drone strikes. We bring in fox news correspondent ed henry to explain what an exchange you had with him. And i thought a very, very important point and question to ask. Ed. Thanks, sean. I tried to stick to the facts because, look, what josh earnest was saying earlier in this briefing today we repeatedly was the reason why the president supported the release of this Senate Intelligence report obviously very controversial because of the violence that may ensue against american interests around the world, various critics on the left and right wondering about the timing of all of this. Josh earnest kept saying the president wants to restore moral authority, that he believes moral authority for the United States was lost during the Bush Administration because of these tactics. Interesting because today the president got pressure from the left and the right. Democratic senator mark udall on the senate floor saying the president has a cia director josh brennan who served under president george w. Bush approved of these tactics and yet is still in charge according to udall has been lying to congress, john brennan has. And you remember Jose Rodriguez top official saying the president is against these Harsh Interrogation Tactics for dozens of terrorists when meanwhile thousands of terrorists and innocent civilians as well have been killed by the president s drone strikes. I pressed josh earnest on that contradiction. Weve seen many cases around the world where u. S. Drones have killed innocent civilians. Despite those safeguards. So how do you have moral authority . What im saying theres a stark difference than the tactics that are employed by our enemies who seek to use car bombs to actually target innocent civilians. No ones defending the terrorists tactics. But youre asking about moral authority the moral authority theres a very clear difference between the tactics use by terrorists and the counterterrorism that go to Great Lengths to protect the lives of american civilians. Whats interesting is even though the president and his top aides are saying they are very much against these tactics, that they are unamerican, they will not quite say from the white house podium that it was torture and that it broke the law. In fact, today u. N. Officials were saying that they believe that former cia officials, former Bush White House officials, should actually be prosecuted if the white house and if Senate Democrats believe broke the law, they should face war crimes. But the Justice Department previously said theyre not going to press those charges. And today justice officials said, look, theyve looked at this Senate Report and theyre still not going to move forward. What a duck and dodge. I thought that was a hard hitting question, a fair question. And based on the facts. What are the numbers that you have . Because ive got conflicting reports of numbers in terms of those numbers of People Killed by the drone strikes of president obama. I have an estimate of about 2,400. In pakistan alone an estimate of between 400 to 950 civilians including 168 to 200 children. What are the numbers you have . Well, ive heard that similar numbers in the thousands. Obviously its very hard to get a specific number because if you have a drone strike that takes out some terrorists but then also wipes out a couple of homes nearby, it might be five people, ten people, adding all of that up and getting a real number is very hard. But as you know human Rights Groups from the left have been slamming the president about ramping up that drone policy far beyond what president bush was doing. Now, the president and his aides point out he has since reformed some of those policies. They claim theyve gotten more safeguards, but obviously we dont see all of this in the public. We dont know all of those safeguards. We dont know how they decide all these things. So, yes, there have been thousands of civilians killed while there were dozens of detainees who faced these tactics. So enhanced interrogation is bad, but drone strikes with Collateral Damage of women and children thats okay. Thats basically what you were calling him out on today. Ed henry at the white house tonight. Thank you. Good to see you mpkts just a few hours ago former Vice President dick cheney sat down with my friend and colleague bret baier to respond exclusively to the cia report. I think its a terrible piece of work. Seems deeply flawed. They didnt bother to interview key people involved in the program. And i think that its sort of a classic example which you see too often in washington where a group of politicians get together and sort of throw the professionals under the bus. Weve seen it happen before. What happened here was that we asked the agency to go take steps and put in place programs that were designed to catch the that killed 3,000 of us on 9 11 and make sure it didnt happen again and thats exactly what they did. They deserve a lot of credit. Not the kind of condemnation theyre receiving from the democrats. Media bias on full display last night. Look at Brian Williams and cbss scott pelley decided to frame their questions. What if you, god forbid members of your family, had to undergo some of the treatments we are reading about in this report . Can you personalize it in that way . I actually think, brian, that my concern or my outrage, if that were ever done to any of my family members would be somewhat muted if my family members had just killed 3,000 of my citizens. We just heard john mccain describe this as shameful. Are you ashame sd . No, im not, scott. This boils down to me to a question of morality. Here with reaction is war stories host Lieutenant Colonel oliver north. Let me get to this media narrative. Last night you have mr. Cnn Anderson Cooper making analogies nazi analogies, listen to this. It is shocking. I mean, just quickly, when you read this if you envision nazis doing this, and i hate to say this, if you envision the rouge doing this, its not that far removed from stuff they were doing. Wait a minute, is mr. Cnn, is he going to make or envision nazicamar rouge analogies . Whats your reaction . Apparently hes certainly trying to do that. But i would point out that waterboarding was never considered to be torture until years after 9 11 01. And back in the 60s, survival of state resistance invasion instructors of which i was one subjected American Military personnel to be dipped in ice water, stuffed into tiny hot boxes, waterboarding, standing naked in the dark, sleep deprivation and exhaustive interrogation. In other words youve been through all of that. All of it. All of it. As part of your training. Sean, whats even worse is i did it to other people because these were people who were training and preparing at the risk of capture by our enemies. Being broken by their captors. So this was how we trained people to resist that kind of interrogation. All right. How can somebody though i kind of lost you for a second. How does somebody support the Drone Program under obama and how that its not morally or more morally problematic than what is enhanced interrogation . Give me an option. Enhanced interrogation as horrible as it may be and uncomfortable as it may be, let me see versus the killing of my entire family with a dren strike. I think ill take the enhanced interrogation please. And of course secretary Vice President cheney made that very point. Ed henry made that very point when hes trying to interrogate josh earnest. Bunch of hypocrites. Well, they are. And not only that this isnt just selective amnesia on the part of members of congress. The Vice President was very kind to remember what happened. I remember that kind of congressional amnesia. This was worse. Its a lie aimed at denigrating network and our intelligence services. And i noticed something about the congress doing that kind of thing. Congressman dave mccurty, dick cheney was then a member of that committee, so was henry hyde. He told me, dave mccurty, if you dont air drop supplies to the nicaragua indians and give them ammunition quickly, i will out you. I ran across the street and asked the National Security adviser what i should do, he says you know the answer. Start dropping ammunition to the indians. How congress was investigating, i carried out my orders, dave mccurty couldnt remember. Thank god dick cheney was there. This feinstein report ignores the testimony of john rizzo, Jose Rodriguez who gave over 40 briefings to congress if people die people didnt die intentionally as a part of this program. Some had been wounded and captured. Some starved themselves to death. And by the way im going to go one step further. If people respond to this report and americans are killed, theyll have blood on their hands as far as aisim concerne. Agree or disagree . Couldnt agree more. What good comes from publishing this kind of blatantly disturbing report were being warned our americans are going to die. God help Dianne Feinstein if americans die as a result. True. Up next here on hannity. You told us and i quote, we respect the notion that i can just suspend deportation through executive order is just not the case. Thats exactly what you did univisions jorge ramos caught president obama off guard. Hes here to explain what our commander in chief wasnt truthful about. And later tonight our question of the day, is president obama a hypocrite for posing enhanced interrogation techniques while supporting drone strikes, some of which have killed civilian sns just go to facebook. Com hannity. 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Why did you change your mind . No, jorge, i can run back in time and the notion was just we can stop deportations period. And we cant do that. Unfortunately for Emperor Obama we do have the tape from that tow found the exact comments to prove his blatant hypocrisy. Watch this. With respect to the notion that i can just suspend deportations through executive order, thats just not the case. There are enough laws on the books by congress that are very clear in terms of how we have to enforce our immigration system that for me to simply through executive order ignore those congressional mandates would not conform with my appropriate role as president. All right. Joining me now is univision and fusion anchor jorge ramos. Jorge, good to see you. Thanks for ib vieting me. We appreciate it. Turns out your question was dead on. The way you framed the question was accurate. And what the president said in his denial was not accurate. Whats your response to that . Well, i think the president s position honestly and thats my own interpretation, evolved. I think he changed his mind. Maybe because of the pressure from journalists or from the hispanic community. But at the end this is what many people were expecting him to do for many, many years. My argument with him is that he believes that he has the Legal Authority now if exactly the same Legal Authority he had six years ago and he didnt do anything about it and since then he has deported 2 million immigrants. Maybe on this issue we disagree, but the fact is i think the person is of position definitely changed no question about it. I think our argument was the right one. That he should have done something to protect millions of immigrants. Let me go. Theres two separate issues i want to discuss with you. One is the process and the president and promises he made. You interviewed him in his first year in office and heres how that went down. What i can guarantee you is in the first year an immigration bill that i strongly support and im promoting and i want to move that forward as quickly as possible. In the first year . In my first year. He didnt do it in the first year. He didnt do it. And then he said he didnt have the authority. Then he did it and then you questioned him about why he changed his mind and then you question him about changing his mind. It gets confusing. I think the latino are very grateful with the president because of what he did. Having said that there are two things that in which the latino communitys very resentful and disappointed, first because he didnt keep his electoral promise that he was going to present Immigration Reform during his first year in office. He didnt deliver on that. And the second one is he has deported more than 2 million immigrants, more than any other president in the history of the United States. He has destroyed thousands of families. And even though i think his legacy would be that he made the most important immigration decision in 50 years, the fact is that the footnote would say he also deported millions of immigrants and that he destroyed thousands of families. Theres no question about it. Let me give you some numbers from the budget being presented this very day to congress. Theyre going to spend 948 million, jorge, to help poor and unskilled Central AmericanIllegal Immigrants establish themselves here in the United States. Illegal immigration has had a mass i have detrimental impact on our health care system, our educational system and on our criminal Justice System. Just a fact. It is costing border states a fortune. Question is, i am the product sean, immigrants contribute billions of dollars to the economy. They create thousands and thousands of jobs. Some do, some dont. Not everybody. Most of them. And they are here simply because millions of americans including you and me we benefit from their work and because there are thousands of American Companies youre missing my point. Jorge, let me get the question then you can respond any way you want. But were going to spend nearly a billion dollars to aid unskilled Central American migrants so they can establish themselves in the United States. And yet weve got one in five American Kids in poverty according to the latest numbers by the national for center of children in poverty, in detroit 58 in poverty, 54. 4 in cleveland, 47 in fresno. You take it all the way down to the 25th state, tampa, florida, 32 of kids there are living in poverty. Now, i understand the conditions are tough in mexico. Ive been down to the border ten times, more than anybody i know in our business. I understand that they want to come here. The question is why not do we not demand that people respect american law and american sovereignty and come here legally and not be rewarded for coming here illegally . I agree with you that would be the best way to do it would be legally. Theres no question about it. But i dont agree with your argument. I think if you have more immigrants in this country, its simply better. I just came from nashville, tennessee. Its amazing what theyve done with immigrants. And thanks to the immigrant population the city is doing much better youre not interested jorge, with all due respect youre not addressing my point. Of course they came here illegally. They broke the law. But at the same time millions of americans are breaking the law. Millions of americans that doesnt make it right. You got to respect no wait. They are here because what you had for breakfast this morning was harvested by immigrants. No. No. Whenever you go to a restaurant, whenever you go to a hotel, you are served by immigrants. Jorge, jorge, excuse me, with all due respect, i dont know what you know about my background. Jorge, i was a dishwasher, a busboy, a cook, a waiter, a bartender, i did painting, wallpaper hanging, lay tile, did framing, did roofing hang on a second. My grandparents came here legally. Heres my point to you. I am all for solving the problem, but youve been around washington a long time and you know how it works. If you have spending cuts and tax increases over ten years, you get the tax increase immediately. You never get the spending cuts. If you have Border Security and amnesty, youll always get the amnesty, were never going to secure the border. Which ends the problem forever. So what i am saying is weve got to secure americas borders first. Why would you disagree with that . The border is more secure than ever before. I know its never going to be perfect. Its never going to be perfect, but whats the alternative . Are you going to deport 11 million im giving you my answer. Youre not listening. You didnt listen to my answer. Can i ask you a question, will you join me in support would you support a bill that secures americas borders permanently and securely first