American history. Ladies and gentlemen, governor mike huckabee. applause thank you. And welcome to huckabee, from the fox news studios in new york city. This is labor day weekend. And labor day has a history that dates back to the 1800 and honor those who toil to build the country in the Industrial Power we became. Labor unions were a important tool in protecting dangers from being exploited or endajed. It is easy to have contempt because of unreasonable demands for pay hikes and benefits that make a company unprofitable. Workers safety and reasonable hours and decent pay, that was instrumental in establishing a labor force that worked hard and made employers profitable. Americas prosperity and World Leaders status was result of shared benefits. Between labor and management. A worker appreciated is motivated and those who see them critical to the success of the company are wise people. Good Customer Service is reflection of good employee care. Employees who enjoy their work are happy employees who take care of happy customers. Publix supermarkets are strong in the south and southeast. I like to shop there because employees act like they are grateful for the customer. And the stores are Employee Owned and the better the store does, the better the employee does. Delta airlines was in bankruptcy a few years ago and struggling to be profitable. Passenger satisfaction levels were abmysal. And a there came in new leadership. And now they are number one in passenger survey. They have a relationship with the people who meet the customer and the face of the airline. Stock holders do better and management does better and employees do better and most importantly, the customer gets a better experience. We are creating good employees and training them and treating them well and giving them a stake in the outcome is just good business. When labor and management are partners in the success of the outcome, everyone wins and so do the strikes and slow downs and alternatives make more sense. I agree with fellow services that we need to value the job creators and we also need to value the job holders, people who create the work, usually do take big risk and they deserve big rewards and people who do their work deserving to regarded as well. The austi triian own founder that makes components for the auto industry. He grew up poor and now a billionaire. He built the company on fair market enterprise. Free interprize and treated his employees fairly and returning ten percent of the profit of the company back to them. You see, having a job is a gift from a good economy and a entrepreneur who created the job. Having a good job is a gift from god. If you are the owner and manager, treat your labor as a valued commodity. And if you are a worker treat management as partner and prosperity. If you want to work and unemployed. Retain and be patient and dont give up. If you are a slacker, get a job but dont go to work for a good company. Go to work for one that is decloining and then you c decn you can go down together. Earlier this year the administration is cracking down on businesses the that the Obama Administration dont like. It is pawnshops and lending stores and coin dealers and. Ryan burkeman is owner of a pawnshop in michigan. And they closed the bank account and they owned cash express in meskwiet, nevada. She was turned down because the company was too high risk. I spoke to the Business Owners and to brian wise of the United StatesConsumer Coalition earlier. Let me start wu. You were told that your business was high risk. Did they tell you what that meant . They really didnt explain what that meant. In other words. I have talked to bankers and they cant meet the compliance that is required to deal with a company such as my company and the Money Services business. You are not a dead beat and no history of failing to pay bills and dont have deling kwent loans. We have an a plus rating with the Better Business bureau and no complaint filed against the Company Since i opened in 1987. You have been in business for a while and the federal government doesnt like what you do . Thats what happen. Most of us dont even know that it is possible for the federal government to decide it doesnt like the illegal business. You are not running a drug ring and doing anything illegal and busting peoples heads with baseball bats and it is on the up and up and you would be in jail. We are audited every year and cost thousands to pay for that audit to make sure we are doing everything legally and according to regulation. Brian you have a pawnshop in michigan. And i shopped there for years and years and didnt know it was a high risk business for a consumers. What did they tell you . They didnt give me explanation at all. I got a letter from chase, by the way, that account you opened two weeks ago, well close. That no explanation and the bank manager had no idea why. I took her the letter and she came back to me and said i cant find anything out either. So even the bank was not aware of why you were targeted . No, sir. This is a pawn in a small upscale classy community right downtown in a Business District that attracts thousands of tourist every year. I mean, i am just every bit the average guy you know, trying to carve out my piece of the american pie and support the family. I have not broke laws. What does it do to your business with no bank recollect. I have to pay bills and process credit card payments when people buy things from me. No one uses cash these days. No one has cash, thats why. And so they are using the credit cards that is the only thing we have right now. Sherry, what happens to the business if the bank said no can do . It is difficult to run our businesses without a bank and it would be impossible. And even our third payment processers are having problems, too because of the clients, they are loedzing the Bank Accounts and it is a snow ball affect. It is just being a big snow ball affect and i wish, i am from nevada and harry reid is our senator there. How lucky you must feel. Possibly he does good things. He has supported gun ownership and pawn industry and also the short term lending, but where is he right now . We need him to stop this operation choke point. Have you talked to his office and what response do you get. I was waiting until after i went on the show. I thought i might have clout. And you will have to say you defended him. Brian wise, you are with the consumer council, how is this affecting businesses when we asks the federal government about. This it is just a misunderstanding. Thats all it s. Do you buy that . Snow, this Single Program represents the biggest threat to Consumer Choice and freedom. And the fact that the government can pick or choose winners or losers based on their politics ideology is a threat to the american dream. They are small Business Owners and they have done everything right and followed the rules and yet because the administration seems to not like their industry and not just their industry. It is gun dealers and ammunition sales and multilevel marketing and your amway and other businesses leak that are all affected and so this is a threat to the american dream. And you know, we know of a little more of a hundred businesses right now that are affected and we know that there are thousands more dont realize because they lost their bank account earlier this year, it was due to operation choke point. The federal government, this Current Administration doesnt care for fire arms and wishes to get rid of them. And they will never pass that in congress. But if they can say to a gun store, this guy cant have a bank account, he is out of business. That is the genius of the program and make its so dangerous. The genius of the program they never went to congress. They are trying to legislate them out of business and because they couldnt do. That they decided to end run congress and use the president s year of action as he talked about to double down on the effort. And what we see last month, the fdic removed a list of high risk merchants and that list was 24 different merchants as they identified as being right for consumer fraud. And that was not a backing off of this program. That was a doubling down of the program and that was them taking any kind of certainty that the banks had taking that away and the banks are now the morality police. Do you know of other businesses that are targeted like you have . A lot of businesses are not aware of what is going on. I called businesses and gun shop owners. I know what brian was speaking of. I called the bank that turned me down after the fdic pulled the list. And it didnt make any difference to them. Brian what about you. Businesses in the community that are targeted like this . It is important to remember that my business, pawnshops was not on the list. The only thing i do, i deal in antique currency and vintage coins and somehow that is considered high risk. I dont understand why, but i would just like to see the attorney general come in to my store and see my customers and my store and where it is at and meet me and then tell me to my face, you are high risk. I need to put you out of business. So what. That is American Enterprise and if you dont make it, you dont make it. It is your decision to go in to and bes not the federal governments decision. My gosh Apple Computer would not have existed if they looked at steve jobs in the garage and say he would not make. It i am outraged. And i really appreciate you being here and this is what i want to ask. If you are a Business Owner targeted by keep out of his church. Well have that story when we come back. Im type e. My golden years will not just be gold plated. I had 3 different 401 k s. E trade offers rollover options and a Retirement Planning calculator. Now i know when im going to retire. Not if. Yeah . Then howd i get this. [ voice of dennis ]. Safe driving bonus check . Every six months without an accident, allstate sends a check. Silence. Are you in good hands . If you thought the irs only targeted the tea party think again. They dont want Church Pastors talking about political matters in the sunday service. The next guest will talk politics from his pulpit and dares the irs to stop him. He is pastor jim of sky line church of san diego. Thank you. Two years ago, you launched with a number of other pastors pulpit freedom sunday. A sunday in october you let everybody know you will stand up and say whatever you want and pretty much dare the irs to tell you to stop. Up until 1954, pastors could say anything they opted. We lost 160 years of pulpit freedom because of the johnson amendment. And so the attorneys and they came together and said this is a violation of the First Amendment. And so they gathered pastors and they say we dont have to have governmental intrusion. Pastors would say what they wanted on pulpit freedom and many of them mailed them to the irs. That is polled. 2,000 sermons have gone in and someone must be getting saved there. If there is any federal agency that could use it is the irs. I think people dont understand that the pastors are threatened. Be careful and dont say political things because the irs will come out to get you and people accepted that without thinking what is it that governments job to approve the content of a sermon . It is amazing. 50 years ago, i would have say tearing up a bomb in the womanb. But now it is to political. And the practice of homosexuality is not acceptable. Of course you can say it. Now it is too political. And if i said marriage was one man, one woman. Now today it is too political. We use to call bibliical and it is now political. And intimidates the pastors and various groups are mailing groups and saying dont you preach on that. And it drives the gospel out of the political arena. Has any church been shut down or arrested for something they said. In 60 years of this law. There is not one church that lost its tax exempt status. There is one church that lost the letter for a day and went on after. That no church that was shut down. This is what happens. If the irs contacts a church. The church will say well sorry and back up and the pastor is intimidated. If the church will lawyer up with the people who know the law, the irs will back down and say well close the case. It will string it out and run up legal fees. And the church on the right or left of the issues. One liberal church in pasadena lawyered up and the government backed down. How many pastors will participate october ninetyninth. October 5th. It is the sixth year. I hope thousands. We encourage pastors to go to pulpit freedom. Organd parishoners to call pastors to be bold. A pastor can endorse or oppose a candidate or talk about an issue. We are not telling them what to talk about. That is up to the pastor. God speaks to them and no government intrusion at all in the pulpit is the case we are making. I think how the government might evaluate your sermon. It is a shocking thing. A liiance to defending freedom and a Great Organization that is in the forefront of the religious cases. You wish the irs would take one of you on and let it go to the court court and get it settled once and for all so the constitution can be adhered. To they use it to intimidate the pastors i i myself have received letters from the organizations. Sayingly dont speak on political issues. I call them back or write back. Thank you, for encouraging me. I will be more bold this year. A lot of pastors dont necessarily do. That and there is pastors who think they cant register people to vote or speak on abortion or marriage or a host of topics. They think they cant do that. They are good at intimidating and bullying the pastors in the pulpit. And they back away and speaking what they say about national and community life. That is one of the reasons we are in the situation we are in, in america. If you are a pastor or member of the conversation. Say to the government. Look, back off of me. I hope you will. Pleasure. Up next. An example of a government interfering with a private business. A government who owns a farm fined thousands of dollars for sticking to the deeply held principles of faith. Marriage is in between a man and a woman. You will hear about them next. vo friday night has always been all fun and games, here at the harrison household. But one dark, stormy evening. She needed a good meal and a good family. So we gave her purina cat chow complete. 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They have opened up their farm for berry picking and host weddings and receptions in their barn and believe that the definition of marriage is the union of a man and a woman. And so when a same sex couple to host their wedding they declined. Earlier this month, they were fined 13,000 ruling that their decision is a violation of the human rights law. Robert and Cynthia Gifford joined us today and also with them is the attorney james trainer. Thank you. And i was stunned when i heard this. You have a right i thought to say that you have specific convictions and beliefs and somebody wanted you to host a same sex wedding that goes against your particular faith and beliefs. Was there anything in particular that shocked you about the action taken against you . I guess the biggest shock was that i thought we had freedom of religion in the country and the First Amendment of the constitution states that and from the decision that the hearing, the divisions of human rights made they never took in account our constitutional right. You know, robert, i am sure the lesbian couple that wanted to get married told everybody and it went out in the mass media. These gifords hate gay people. Dow hate gay people . We treat everyone with respect and we dont hate anybody. You had events where people are gay. It is not that you shut them out. But you drew the line of a wedding. Of a same sex wedding. We asked the nycou said all new yorkers are entitled to their own beliefs but businesses cant discriminate on Sexual Orientation and race and origin. James, you are the attorney for the gifords. Is it discrimination . It is not. It is about the religious beliefs of the gifords and their right not to be compelled to host a ceremony that violates their religious beliefs in their own home and in their backyard. Its much bigger than just this 2 or 3 minute telephone conversation. Unfortunately this is not an isolated incident and happening all over the country. People are forced to choose between their business and their faith. No one should have to go through that. Robert and cynthia, did you have a lot of response from the community, pro or con. What did you hear from people. You said we will not have a wedding of a same sex couple . Initially it was a lot of negative, until both sides of the story came out. But i dont think it is all about the same sex marriage. It is really about our constitutional freedoms and no business should be subjected to making a decision or american should be subjected to deciding whether they live their life with their beliefs or they have the remove themselves from the business they are in. And a lot of people are wondering what happened to america while we were sleeping and not looking . It used to be religious liber