Joining us. No one expects a president to be perfect. We understand they have got flaws and sometimes their flaws are because of something they say or the way they say it. Sometimes its just an off the cuff phrase that haunts them forever. It depends upon what the mienimien i meaning of the word is. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me, you cant get fooled again. But sometimes, one has to wonder if the president just wants to keep from being straight forward. As your commander in chief, i will not commit you and the rest of our armed forces to fighting another ground war in iraq. ec but then his people leave the door wide open. If there are threats to the United States, then i of course would go back to the president and make a recommendation that would include u. S. Ground fourses. After that, the president was then forced to promise, yet again, read my lips, no new wars, well, until there is another one. It appears as if president obama cant figure out if were in a war or just a Counter Terrorism action. Last week on our show, retired general jay garner wasnt fuzzy at all about exactly what were doing. If were sending soldiers, airmen, sailors over there to fight and perhaps being killed, then were at war. Well, president obama and his people are all about avoiding the wword. Yes, and no. Is america at war . Well, you know, im going to answer that, mr. Chairman. You know, a lot of people are debating this idea of what do you call it, do you call it war or do you call it war . Its not a war like iraq. For heavens sakes, secretary kerry, what is it . But its hard to call our little dust up with isis anything else, we look like idiots, if president obama had been president on december 7, 1941, he probably would have said this. Well, we have had an unfortunate little misunderstanding with our goods friends the japanese, some airplanes got carried away and we pretty much lost our entire fleet, were not really at war, but we might have to burst them up a little bit. But theres long been the understanding of something called the fog of war, that once a war stars, theres chaos and confusion. But for the first time, the fog is whether we are at war. The president often says, he wants to be clear. Let me be clear. Let me be clear. Yeah, well, maybe, he just doesnt know exactly what that means. Are we clear . Chris tall. That my friend is clarity. Our military is often called upon for humanitarian missions like the one the president announced this week i sending 3,000 troops to the ebola outbreak. But our armed forces are not trained to serve as hospital orderlies, but to overwhelm enemies with massive force. We have attempted to operate in iraq and afghanistan with limited personnel and limited force. The result, long and drawn out campaigns that have muddled missions and have unclear objectives. Better not use the military, than to use them for anything less than the type of operation that makes the world scared to death to unleash them. We learn in grade school on the playground that the bully never messes with the kid who can kick his butt, he messes with the one he knows cant or wont. We need to be the nation that no one wants to poke, knowing that if we stand up, they fall down. And if someone were to break in my house and threaten my family, i would use the strongest weapon at my disposal to stop him and protect them. By the way, i have an arsenal of weapons and i would not hesitate to use them to stop an intruder. Then i would call 911, not to tell the police to come and stop the bad guy, but to tell them where to come and pick up the carcass of the one who tried to hurt my loved ones. Now, yes, i might be able to yell at them, hit them with a baseball bat, throw a knife at them or even run from them. But im more confident in a couple of friends named smith and wesson. Folks we dont have a military because we want to use them, we have them so that if we do need them, there will be no doubt as to the outcome. And there is nothing unclear about that. Well, as we saw on tuesday, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, general Martin Dempsey told the Senate Armed Services committee that hetal could potentially ask the president to put Ground Troops in iraq. On wednesday at the Senate Foreign relations committee, secretary of state john kerry was asked if it becomes clear the only way to defeat isis would be to put boots on the ground, would the president consider general dempseys recommendation . The president will not put american Ground Troops into iraq. I understand the chairman and the joint chiefs of staff whos got to look at it from his perspective in terms of his military and his judgment. But the president s made a judgment as commander in chief that thats not in the cards and thats where we are. Joining me now is retired air force Lieutenant Colonel dan hampton. Colonel, thanks for being back on the show. Good to have you here. Good to be here. Colonel, at least four Different Military generals and experts have said that we really cant go in and destroy isis with only airpower, there has to be some type of combat action on the ground, agree . Disagree . I agree, but what i would caveat that with is they dont have to be american boots on the ground, youre exactly right, you cannot win a war from the air, we tried that in the gulf wars, we tried that in that little fracas 50 years ago in the vietnam war. Airpower used in conjunction with boots on the ground will work, but going back to what she said a few minutes earlier, they have got to get the semantics right and the objectives right and the goals right before they get serious about that otherwise theres going to be a lot of shiny coffins coming back to Dover Air Force base. I think a lot of people are concerned about whether or not this is going to be a war like action or what else is there . When you start sending into harms way, loaded with weapons and theyre shooting to kill people, what can you call it other than a war, and from your perspective as a warrior, does it even matter . It doesnt matter to me when im there and i have no ethical or moral ambiguity on any fight that i was ever in. But it does matter from the larger political stand point for support and what happens afterwards. We saw what happened in iraq because there was no plan after the war, because no one would really admit from 2003 to 2011 that there was still a war going on. And i would say that if the kerryobamabiden show cant decide what to call this, then we shouldnt commit anybody until they k. Colonel, i get the impression that nobody from the pentagon is really being listened to in the white house or in the state department. Heres my question. Youre retired so you can get away with answering this. You couldnt if you were on active duty. Is there not a point where some senior military people are going to have to publicly resign and stay im not going to disobey an order from the commander in chief, but im not going to follow orders that dont make sense . Are we going to see that happen . Boy, i sure hope so. I was never a general officer, thankfully, i didnt want to deal with that. And i have got to believe that some of them up there would rather fall on their sword, if you will, than be a part of something that isnt going to make sense from the beginning. You were talking about the fog of war, were used to that on a battlefield. But what you dont want is fog being generated from your own side. And thats whats coming out of the white house is just pure fog. I want to talk about iran because you and i may have a different opinion on this, but the iranians have maybe offered some level of assistance. How in the world can we trust the iranians, their government, not their people, but their government . How can we trust them 123. Well, they might say the same thing about us and what i would say at this point in history, i think its time to be pragmatic about who our allies are over there, and that also includes syria, if you want to talk about that. But the iranians never really had much of an issue with us until the 70s and the shaw and some of the other things that happened. And they know that they have got a problem in their own country now with the majority of their population being too young to remember any of that, they know they have got an economic problem that would choke a horse. We have got the answers to some of that. Im not saying unconditionally give in to them or trust them, because you dont really ever trust anybody. But im saying theres nom room there and they could really be a big help. For instance their economys in a bad way, we can go a long way to resolving some of that under the condition of say, theyre not funding terrorism anymore. In one sweep we could cut the knees off of hezbollah and half a dozen other groups that i can think of. I think they can do that for a chance to be involved. Theyre in the region. Theyre like syria. Isis is much closer to home for them than it is for us. Considering how much funding they have put towards hamas and hezbollah and the statements of their leaders that they want to wipe israel from the face of the ma map. I hope there could be something, but i will be very, very reluctant unless they repudiate some of those comments about israel. Kemp colonel great to have you back. What can our government do to prevent americans suspected of terrorism from traveling back and forth from iraq and sere kra and then come back as they please . Ill ask former law professor all all allan dersiowitch when we come back. Bayer back body provides effective relief for your tough pain. Better . Yeah. Thanks for the tip oh hey craig, i need to talk to you. Hey jake. You know how you wont let me touch your dart . Well ive got some things that you cant touch. Is that right . Whatchya got there . Just a crossbow. You can shoot things with it. Cant touch it . No, you cant touch it. Look at this, my George Foreman grill. 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There are a lot of unique sort of implications of dealing with people who can come back and forth to the United States. And one of the toughest questions, how do we prevent people, if they have an american passport and theyre an american citizen, how do we prevent them from coming back into the u. S. If theyre joining up with isis . We have to remember that the war on terrorism is rather unique in our countrys history. The framers of the constitution we have to have ways of preventing our citizens from going abroad with our passports, training to be terrorists, coming back with our passports and blowing up times square and blowing up other great places in america. We start with there has to be a way to do it. Everything else has to be the variable, how do we interpret the constitution, how do we pass legislation, but we have to be able to protect ourselves. Do we have that ability right now . We have to go to congress and say we have to find some way of keeping these people out. All the branchs of the government has to cooperate, we have to get narrowly drawn lettingation that cant be abused by the president , we have to get an executive branch that uses it narrowly, and a judiciary that approves it. Is there anything right now under existing law that can, say, suspend a persons passport privileges . Yes, but its not easy. It depends on if youre a born american citizen or if youve been naturalsed, if you were naturalized and your naturalized by fraud, you can have your citizenship removed. But if youre an american citizen, if theres a strong basis for believing that youre going to go abroad and fight zbps the United States. You can have your passport suspended. But in the end, i believe the courts will figure out a way, were a pragmatic people, and the reason our constitution has survived longer than any other civilization in history, is that our constitution is changeable. To make sure that the ulgt mat right, the right to be safe, to have our children protected is vindicated by the constitution. You and i have had the conversation on several occasions about where that line is between protecting america and suspending peoples civil l liberties. I think you and i are in agreement, Civil Liberties, we dont ever want to trampleal those. Can we neat that balance . When democracies Justice Brandon went to israel just before 9 11, he came back and said if god forbid terrorism ever came to this country, theres only one country we can learn from, how to balance Civil Liberties and the fight against terrorism. Thats israel. Israels been doing this for the last 50 or 60 years. They dont have a written constitution, we do, there are differences, there are similarities. Isis is very similar to hamas. Hamas, after all, uses terrorism, they use the media, they use what i call, a new book out called terror tunnels, which is about the war against terrorism in israel. They use what i call the baby strategy, they purposely put their children in harms way and induce israel to harm children holding them up to the media. Isis is doing that now, theyre embedding their children amongst terrorists. The only ally that the United States can ever count on. You know which country is providing more help in the fight against isis than jordan, saudi arabia, iran . Thats israel. They cant surface because they dont want it to be seen as an americanisraeli fight against the arab and muslim world, but the strongest ally to the u. S. Is israel against isis. If you want to get the book, saturday only, free, otherwise you got to pay for it. 5. Its worth paying for. Professor, always a real pleasure to talk to you. Coming up both an israeli fighter pilgt are going to tell us about the measures they take to avoid killing civilians. To avoid killing civilians. If youre suffering from constipation or irregularity, powders may take days to work. 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