There is no question these comments are racist. This is so abnormal. This is a freak show. Is this offensive . Of course it is. But this doesnt move the needle at all. Howie is it fair for commentators to denounce those comments as racist. An explosive wall street journal article about the president that is generating strong denials. The media are swooning over oprah for president. Oprahs speech is fueling talk of a president ial run. She is an impressive woman, it was an impressive speech. I dont think her position has changed. I dont. I was talking to her very late last night. I do think she is intrigued by the idea. Howie why are the pundits giving so much attention to such a farfetched scenario. Why steve bannon lost his media platform. Ill be making a personal announcement about my latest prong. This is mediabuzz. Reports that President Trump privately told members of congress he warrants to limit immigration from hate tee and some african nations. The president made a mistake in making those comments, no question. I have known him for 30 years, i know him and like him, but this is a new low. Howie the president tweeted the next day while he used tough language during the meeting about the dreamers, this was not the language used. But dick durbin said it was the language. Joining us, mollie hemingway, susan ferrechio, and marie harf. Molly, the s has hit the fan over these comments. Mollie when you use this type of language and the president chooses to be this vulgar with alarming regularity, its going to be news. But the media failed to explain the context of his remarks. They didnt have any curiosity about why dick durbin was leaking this. And mostly they were using this like they have used so many discussions about immigration. That is to silence people to werent to change immigration to a meritbased system. Thats frustrating for people who are interested in this debate. Howie this was a slur. And some republicans have criticized it. Jason johnson said trump is a white supremacist, a terrorist sympathizer and a danger to nonwhites. Is this over the top . Marie most of of the outrage is well placed. This fits into a pattern of comments he made, whether its after charlottesville or when he took out the full page ad about the central park five. He has a long history of wading into discussions about race and using racially charged language. That plays into how its being covered today. Based on everything he has done over decades. Howie many politicians use bad language in private. He said dont do stupid s in foreign policy. Would the coverage have been the same if he had said lousy third world countries. Absolutely. Because everybody started to put the s word up without the asterisk. They want to convey a message that the president is such a racist and degenerate that they have to put the word on the screen. The fcc regulated stations putting up the word thank violation of the regulations. Howie fox hasnt been using it. I think it should be used sparingly. I think its one of those words thats important to understanding even though some people find it offensive. In the past you have had liberal commentators saying hes a racist. You have jim acosta and Andrea Mitchell almost stating it as fact. Mollie i dont know what they were thinking because there were so many leaps of logic. There was some dispute about the precise nature of the term. And they said ergo hes racist. And they said the use of the term chain immigration is racist. Thats just the term thats used. I think people know that and they dispute they need to make the case and there is no need to assert as fact when there is plenty to talk about that is fact. Marie you saw them going back to when he was sued for Racial Discrimination in housing in new york. He went after the american judge calling mexicans racist. Its hard to know whats in peoples hearts so im always cautious saying he has feeling of this. You cant know that. But he made statements White Supremacists think hes on their side. Mollie we have a discussion in this country about whether we should change our immigration policy. When President Trump said he wanted to change temporary status and people said you cant send people back to those hell holes. But when he says this, thats racist. Howie there were a number of commentators on the right the president appeared willing to negotiate some kind of compromise with democrats on legalizing the Dreamers Program in exchange for turning the border wall. Lets take a brief look at what some of them had to say. Fit was a completely different donald trump from the one we watched on the campaign trail two years ago. So what was the point of running for president. This was a disaster. The lowest day of his presidency. If he thinks hes going to get great press by giving the left everything they want. Howie President Trump got a lot of praise for having that session, but those who have supported him were very critical. Susan the president speaks two ways. On one hand he wants to make a deal and work with democrats. But on the other hand he wants the tough Border Security he promised. He made the Major Campaign promise. The big beautiful wall. He tries to negotiate with democrats. Is he going to have a deal or the very things he promised . Howie some of the conservative commentators acted like this was a betrayal when in fact he was trying to negotiate for what he also wants on this wall with mexico. Mollie these are much more interesting angles for the media to explore. How his base is worried he will sell them out. Or dick durbin leaking. Marie thats what some conservative republicans were worried about during the primary. Hes a lifelong democrat who potentially could cut deals with chuck and nancy. At the end of the day governing is actually about. Howie people on both sides hate compromise. The president at a press availability had something to say about the state of the nations libel laws. President trump our current libel laws are a sham and disgrace and do not represent American Values or american fairness. You cant say things that are knowingly false. And be able to smile as money pours into your bank account. Mollie criticism of the press is perfectly fine. He didnt say anything specific enough to be totally alarmed by. Threatening legal action because you dont like the coverage you are getting. It violates the spirit of press freedom. And nobody has benefited more from the lax laws on slander than donald trump. He says ted cruzs father was involved in the assassination of jfk. Howie you cant publish statements with malice. Marie donald trump has told a Record Number of falsehoods going back to the Barack Obama Birther stuff which many people saw as the way he got into politics. When he doesnt like legal stories he threatens legal action. I think hes just trolling the media. Howie he sued an author from the New York Times saying he wasnt worth as much money as he claimed. He sued a Chicago Tribune critic for saying trump tower was ugly. Susan this is just the way he engages with the press. He hes in an adversarial relationship with the media. But he also needs the media, which explains wolff the author into the white house. Howie is the media openly promoting oprah, the Television Icon for president. A story about an alleged payment before the election generates a spate of strong denials. Running a Small Business is demanding. And thats why Small Business owners need more. Like internet thats up to the challenge. The gigspeed network from comcast business gives you more. 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Mollie why are they so certain given both parties deny and everybody quoted on the record deny it. Howie we have the times interviewing jake wiseberg saying he got preelection daniels, according to these Text Messages she had an affair with donald trump in 2006, and he was late in paying her. Now she denies it. No the editor said the reason they didnt run with the story was because she couldnt verify it. Thats not the best sourcing for the original claim. Howie the Text Messages seem like evidence to me. But the slate reporter says she was demanding money. The top two newspapers in the country reporting these sense sayingsal allegations. Any other president , this might be a major story. But this is President Trump. This came baked in. He wasnt harry truman. He was a thrice married businessman in from queens. The story is not new. It came out november 6, 2016. The beginnings of this are not new. Howie given the journal did report this just before the election. Daniel was supposed to tell her story on Good Morning America but all that fell through. How much will people care about this . Marie i am not sure this moves the needle in terms of Public Perception of him. Still i think its a store why it public deserves to see and hear about. Can you imagine if this was barack obama, what the News Coverage would be like . Yes, she denied it, but its reported as part of her settlement, she has to deny it. I dont think it will move the needle but she has to deny it. Mollie the normalization of anonymous sourcing is not good for the industry and thats something journalists should care about because donald trump wont always be here to excuse. Howie the level of distrust in the media is so great susan readers have a right to know. The problem with anonymous sourcing, when you have an anonymous source, you dont know their agenda. Howie the readers dont know. And you are supposed to trust the journalists filter. Howie after what bill clinton did in office. If it happened in 2006 does not sound like a media bombshell, fit happened. Marie there are a lot of people who believe every anonymous source in the administration i worked in because it fits into their world view. We have to have reporters who do their jobs well and avaluate the anonymous sources. But there has to be a place for them in our media landscape and we shouldnt discount everything because there is not a name attached to it. Howie . Ahead, actor Michael Douglas is denying Sexual Harassment allegations even before they are published. Millions of you are online right now, searching one topic. That will generate over 600 million results. And if youve been diagnosed with cancer, searching for answers like where to treat, can feel even more overwhelming. So start your search with a specialist at Cancer Treatment centers of america. Start with teams of Cancer Treatment experts under one roof. 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Its called media madness. It wasnt an easy book to write. Im a lifelong journalist. I criticize the business all the time as you know. But im not a knee jerk media barber. My fear is organized journalism has badly lost its way in the trump era. Many news organizations decided during the campaign that trump had to be held to a different standard, and that means taking a stand that has often meant a biased approach that alienated many consequence and d many cd independents. How they fight with each other and play the leaking game and sometimes undermine their boss and each other its an allout war between the president and the press thats further dividing a very polarized country. Coming up, the pundits are pumped up over oprah for president. Though she doesnt seem to be running. Well look at fallout as steve [narrator] introducing a breakthrough in hearing aid technology. Presenting the all new eargo plus. 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Eargo, hear life to the fullest. Howie Oprah Winfrey didnt just talk about victims of sexual conducted, she praised the media. We all note press is under siege, but we also know its their dedication to uncovering the absolute truth that keeps us from turning a blind eye to corruption and injustice. Howie the press awarded the favor by practically drafting her into the 200 president ial campaign. My head is going to explode. Will Oprah Winfrey actually run for president . In l. A. Christina been and tony. What explain. This will totally shock you, but celebrity sells. Famous names. People buy papers. She is not the first famous media star thought to be running for president. Tom brokaw was asked to run, water cronkite was floated as a possible Vice President ial candidate with George Mcgovern in 1972. Many years later cronkite said yes he would have done it. And other journalists have run and won for seats in congress. Some of them served reasonably well. This is about the nexus of fame and power. Of course, they are going to be considered. Howie oprah told Bloomberg News backstage she had no plans to run. Her friend gail king said maybe shell run. One of the problems with some of the covering, it didnt get into the substance. Look at Oprah Winfreys campaign donations. She gave to arnold schwarzenegger. She has given money to cory booker who could run in 2020. She has given a lot of money to the dnc and the obama campaign. He having a look at this could be interesting. Has she voted in every election. What did the polls say . There was a poll that said she would defeat President Trump 5039 in 2020. But thats obviously an early stage. Howie its meaningless because no one has been attacking her. And there are no stories about whats her position on arming the syrian rebels. I think those early polls are like cotton candy. I get it, celebrity sells. There is a history of celebrities encouraging speculation because it builds the brand without having to dirty your hand. Lynn i think thats true. I think in her speech it was a reminder of the elegance and eloquence missing in the national discourse. There was a kind of a yearning for some moral leadership. Now, having said that, i dont believe that she is actually thinking of running. I want to read you something from an interview i did with oprah in 2010 from a cover story from parade magazine. I said would you ever run for office . She said nope. I said because . She said because i know my lane and i drive well in my lane. I know she knows how to put on the brakes. Howie there was a tweet from nbc that said nothing but respect for our future president , a picture of Oprah Winfrey. It took 12 hours to delete. Then nbc had an explanation that it was a shadowy third party. Christina our readers were very interested in this story. She is one of the most of globally known people in america. Just to lynns point, i covered her in three different states when she was campaigning for barack obama in 2007 and 2008. She went from iowa to South Carolina and New Hampshire and ha