On 9 11. Why wont he say it secretary of state john kerry refusing to say we are at war for isis. And president obama, his plan for isis, is it a real plan . A plan to destroy isis, or is it just treading water. Senator john mccain, karl rove, oliver north, kevin mccarthy, they will all go on the record about president obamas plan to defeat isis. Americas facing this tell the American People the truth we need to do a lot more. Nice to see you, sir. Thank you, greta. Secretary of state john kerry said to cnn that he would not say the United States is at war with isis. He said what were doing is engaged in a very significant Counter Terrorism operation. You know, its hard to find a response for that. Then what was the president talking about last night if theyre just Counter Terrorismorganization . Then we just want to contain them. Because if you can contain terrorist organizations then you dont have to worry about them. I thought the president said last night three wanted to defeat them. This is just like john kerry when the president said he was going to attack syria in response to the chemical weapons issue. In john kerrys words, the attack would be unbelievably small. This is john kerry, vintage. Is this secretary of state kerry going rogue on the white house . Or saying this is not a war, its just a Counter Terrorism operation. Its hard to know, because the president s speech last night was extremely din injen with us, one, by saying it was just like yemen and somalia. We have nibbled around the edges of yemen and somalia, but the
difference between, if the president doesnt understand the difference between isis and somalia and al qaeda and yemen, then he doesnt understand. Hes oblivious to the size, shape, strength and ability of isis. I think we should lay that out. Isis is almost like a nation within a nation. Absolutely. Its a huge piece of property. And it as millions of people were tens of thousands of actually isis members. With thousands more coming in. And filthy rich. Yemen and somalia are Little Pockets of terrorists. Even in somalia, the terrorists dont have the tanks and humvees and things that isis was able to capture in mosul. They are not really threatening, even baghdad to some extent. And there are hundreds of millions of dollars. Its like comparing a Little League team to the new york
yankees. I would like to mention one thing the president said last night. In that, he said we are safer. That america is safer. Did you hear him say that . Yes, and i know baghdadi said see you in new york. And i know they can travel with passports. And the president also continues to throw in issues such as the economy and, by the way, were beating back the russians. He just sort of threw that in. I was astounded by that. But the president did not convince any of the American People last night that we are serious, in my view. And i would like to just mention my little encounter with jay carney, the former spokesman for the white house. He said that the Free Syrian Army was stronger now. The reason why he said that is because we all know that the president overruled his whole National Security team, including secretary of state, when they recommended arming theFree Syrian Army when the Free Syrian Army was much stronger, much bigger, much more capable. Because since then, isis and Bashar Alassad have been attacking them and having them on the ropes. So then, mr. Carney says, well, the Free Syrian Army is stronger now. That was just a blatant lie. And there are two other points id like to make. One, when the president decided we would leave iraq, and he decided it, and they keep saying that he wanted to keep a force there. Thats not true. Thats a lie . That is a lie. Lindsey graham and i were in baghdad, by the way. He could have got and agreement . Absolutely. Why didnt he say that . Because hes saying it because of the fact that we, because we left has now set in train all the events. Isil was almost in nonexistence then. By the way, in 2008, when i said we would have to keep a residual
force in iraq. It was at a town hall in new hampshire. I was destroyed. And the other one is that we can somehow attack isil, but leave Bashar Alassad alone. We cant. Weve got to go after both of them. Well, lets face it. Many americans are worried, worried isis will attack the u. S. And they have good reason. They have seen the beheading of the two americans. And the fear is bad political news for democrats. A new poll showing americans think that republicans would do a better job of keeping us safe. 55 think that republicans will better protect the country against terrorism, while only 32 think democrats will. That poll was done before president obamas speech last night. So will the speech change any minds . Karl joins us. I should say karl rove. It will make the number grow
an a little not a lot, but a little. In favor or disfavor. In stronger action against iraq. The republicans will do better over the long haul, because you will have democrat voices like senator udall, desperate to keep his seat. And what he did was come out in opposition of the president. 82 of americans think congress ought to vote to give the president what he asks for. The interesting thing about that is that what the president has asked for may not be the solution to actually getting rid of isis. I mean, hes not, he wants to do it essentially from arming the rebels in syria, and there are 26 groups to arm. He wants to help the Iraqi Government, and Iraqi Government is an a little shaky. Yes congress is going to authorize that, but what are they authorizing . A solution or pay off our fear because americans are scared . Lets give the man his due. There are three big things from the speech last night that are good. One is that hes committed to the goal of the defeat of isis. Remember, we had this speech and the prepared remarks he made on a foreign trip recently when he said degrade and destroy. And then when we got into the q a, he said we want to make it a manageable problem. He cannot step back from the goal of defeating isis. Second of all he admitted to defeat them he had to go into syria. What do you mean by going . . Im going to give him one more piece of credit. He also said were not going to take action until the government of iraq has been reorganized. It has been reorganized. And that removes his ability to withdraw. Youre right, though, hes going to face in the next four or five
months, four or five instances where hes going to be sorely tested. Because what he said last night about what we wont do, the militarys going to come to him and say you need to do that. For example, what happens when iraq and kurd forces begin to move on the second largest city in the country, mosul, and they need Close Air Support by the u. S. Air force and the u. S. Navy, and the military says, mr. President , we have to have american personnel as air controllers to make sure that we actually hit the right targets. Well, theres also another promise that they need sunni help right there in mosul, and the sunnis, they dont trust the shiite iraqs out of baghdad. They dont trust them at all. Theres a good chance of breaking them away from that because of the activities of isis, but you bring up another issue. Youre going to have the necessity of american personnel to help train and lead these forces to confront isil, and you cant do that from inside the green sown in the u. S. Embassy. Youre going to have to have
people in harms way. Senator mccain was right. Hate to say it, but if we are going to achieve this goal, we are going to have to have people to help guide them. The president is asking congress for money. And in some ways is it financing our fear . Because we so desperately want something. Look, he had to act. And he had to act because he had ignored the problem for a long time. Im going to give him credit, though, that he believes that the strategy ought to be executed. My point is, is he going to face technical difficulties along the way. Joe biden kept talking about how we could take care of afghanistan by being basically out of afghanistan and sending in our special operators to do tar getted Counter Terrorism measures. What happens, at some little camp we have identified isis number two guy in their command structure. Do we say to the iraqis, you go
get them or do we want to make sure we get them and send in u. S. Special operators . All these things are going to snowball. Hes going to have to do some things to live up to the promise of degrading and destroying isis. Joining us, is our panel. Byron, you named in an article, five pit falls. If theres anything in our experience in iraq its that things can go terribly, terribly wrong. First, his entire plan supposes an inclusive Iraqi Government. He says one has been formed. If that stays inclusive, that will work. I dont think theres a lot of reason to be optimistic, given what weve seen among iraqis. The second is this whole boots
on the ground problem which is whose boots . Exactly. A lot of experts say youre not going to do this with air power alone. You need boots on the ground. But if we were to train boots on the ground, its going to take a long time. As we train boots on the ground, isis gets better. To achieve our objective, we are totally dependent on a surrogate army. Thats what general keen was saying last night. Thats a very tough position to be in. Your thought about the president s plan . I think that theyre simultaneously trying to downplay the commitment here while the president , one of the big messages last night is that its going to take a while. Its clear that it could extend past his presidency, and of course the whole rationale for electing barack obama for a lot of democrats was to get us out of this sort of unending war. Which is terrible that politics, when were talking about life or death on the
ground there. The politicians here are worried about promises. Yes, but theyre also, voters are worried about sort of the compact that they made when they lekk elected this guy. They need to get over it, because isis is very dangerous. Unless we decide that were not going to do anything about it at all. Weve had a remarkable turn around in these numbers. Weve had the American People leading the commander in chief. They see this as a real threat. They may not want to be as hawkish as some people do. The white house likes to say its the media, were hyping it. Obviously, the beheading of these two very brave american journalists had a lot to do with the publics fear. But i think they see weakness in the president. I think theyve heard the president all summer long play this down. Deather, say things like its
jv, these are just pharmacists. And theyre worried about the president s commitment to this cause. They know they dont want ground troops, but they dont know what else needs to be done. They want to trust their president , and they dont. So what happens today . After he gave a pretty good speech, i thought last night, today the secretary of state comes out and says i dont know if i can say this is a war. I listened to Richard Ingle what he had to say on another network when he took apart the speech. Because i thought it was a dazzling speech last night, too, until i listened to what he had to say, because hes there in r in erbil. The president insists that he has the authority to do this. A lot of bush administrations officials agree with that. En but if theyre going to call
it a war hes worried about calling about a war because of the left. Were going to be right back. This is a fox news alert. Secret service confronting a man who jumped the white house fence. It all happened right in front of our fox crew. Ed henry joins us live. What happened . Reporter a scary few moments. We were about to go on the air live with bret baier. Craig savage, ed lewis and i, the crew here for fox started hearing screaming, like get down, get down, because a fence jumper had jumped over. I think you see pretty dramatic video. And the secret service was yelling for him to get down. They had guns drawn, assault weapons. We see this from time to time. And usually theres nothing, but what was different, i looked to my right to the fence, and there were dozens and dozens of tourists running away from the
gate. And of course its the 9 11 anniversary. Normally they resolve this with a few seconds. I heard the dogs barking, the guns drawn. This time, the guy appeared to be hiding behind a bush or something, and they didnt immediately want to shoot him or send the dogs after him, it appears he had a stuffed animal in his hand, not a weapon, it appears no one was hurt. But certainly a scary moment. President and the first lady were away. So they were not in immediate danger, but for someone to jumped fence on the 9 11 anniversary and put a scare enough that they had their weapons drawn, we dont know the name of the suspect but he has been apprehended. A girl captured and given to
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miraculously she escaped and is telling her story. Her story was reported for the washington post. Mohammed, tell me about this girl. Reporter well, her name is nari. That is the name i used in the story. Of course that is not her real name. She is a 14 year old woman. And on august 3rd, when isis advanced toward her village she escaped with her family, and they decided to go to a nearby mountain which im sure you have heard on the news about where tens of thousands of yazidis were trapped for a while. But somewhere on the way between the village and the mountain her family is basically captured by isis along with a few other families who were fleeing together. And then the girls and young women are basically separated
into one group, and the young, capable men are also put into a different group. The men are killed. The women are taken away. And the elder ly, some of them were left basically on their own to go away. But we have also heard the stories and reports about in some other cases, some of the elderly people also being shot and killed. And now this 14 year old child is where . And i take it this is not unusual. There are others like her . Reporter absolutely. Her story is only one of a several hundred cases of young women being taken away and held captive by isis. She was near iraqi kurdistan, and she now lives there with her parents and with some other relatives. Its actually, the family all live in the same house. Mohammed, thank you so much. I know there are so many others like this. Reporter thank you. And here is a stunner. Stebt john kerry refuses to say the United States is at war with isis. Is the United States at war with isis . It sure sounds from the president s speech that we are. I think thats the wrong terminology. I think what we are engaging in is a very significant countertrour operation. If someone wants to think of it as being a war on isil, they can do so, but the fact is, its a major Counter Terrorismoperation. If we are not at war, exactly what are we doing . Lieutenant colonel oliver north joins us. Crazy. I mean, its, news flash for mr. Kerry. We may not be at war with isil, but they are at war with us, as is the rest of radical islam, and apparently no one in this administration understands that. Consider last night. That we were told that what he was going to do is expand the air operations against isil. Didnt mention radical islam. In fact, denied that theyre really islamists. Theyre just terrorists. Hes got more faith in air power than billy mitchell. If you dont know who he is, go google it. Hes essentially the guy that said air power can win wars. But wars are won with people
with rifles going into places where bad people live that you want to defeat, with whom you are at war or they at least are at war with us. Theyve missed the boat on this one. I guess whats so so the president wants us to partner up with the rebels, train them, advise them, and also with the iraqi military, but he is also asking money from congress, and everyone is so, like, everyone is full of fear right now. So of Course Congress is going to authorize this, but theyre going to authorize a plan that may not essentially be the right plan to deal with the crisis. Well, he has set the objective, which is, to quote, disrupt, destroy. Everybodys on board with that one. Thats a great goal. Wonderful, he stated it. But he doesnt have the means to do that. For example the air power alone wont do it. If were going to send the Free Syrian Army, since we wouldnt help before when they needed it, they now have to fight twofront
war, against assad and against isil. The thing is, hes not, hes asking for monday even from congress and congress is going to give him money to fight it from there. Well, but somebodys going to have to appropriate the money to train and wouldnt it be better to fund and agree to a plan that everyone thinks can work . Yes, but he doesnt know what the plan is. He doesnt have a plan. Thats the real problem. But congress is going to go along with this. That remains to be seen, because one of the things that w