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FOXNEWSW On The Record With Greta Van Susteren October 10, 2014 23:00:00

Report, fair, balanced and unafraid. Make it a great weekend. Greta goes on the record right now. This is a fox news alert. Isis moving in on the Baghdad Airport. They are closing in on the ultimate prize in iraq. Right now isis only 8 miles out from the airport. That is terrifying not to mention a disappointment for Many Americans who fought so hard in iraq. Isis has lots of money, heavily armed heavily shoulder to missile. Also today a raging fight for the syrian town of kobani, isis trapping civilians as that town now a massacre is feared. Thats not all, isis could invade turkey greg palkot standing by on the border. First, the dangerous threat to the baghdad errant. Kevin barron of the news web site joins us. Nice to see you, kevin. Isis 8 miles out from the airport. 8 miles out. There is conflicting reports from pentagon and intelligence how much they control abu ghraib or just there. Thats the suburb . Right. And whether or not the airport is next. Thats the step the pentagon isnt willing to go so far yet. The pentagon doesnt actually hugely terrified at least the things i read. Two weeks ago it was 50 miles out. The movement is not in a direction favorable to us and to the iraqi people in baghdad. Thats right. And the pentagon keeps saying that they are doing air strikes as they have been instructed and they have been doing them for weeks. Also been saying that they need help on the ground. Right now its the Iraqi Security forces fighting for themselves. No coalition of arab ground force on the way and no american ground force as well. You and i were talking about 7 a miles rather than but talking so close. What happens if isis takes the airport . What does that mean. Its a big if, i guess, is the point. When you inside the pentagon they still feel that baghdad will hold. The Iraqi Security forces that are in charge of defending baghdad are well entrenched and well defended and to include the airport. As well, the pentagon does not have a mandate to protect the airport. They are not the cavalry. There are some apaches there. There san element there. Their job is to protect the American Embassy and americans in baghdad, not the airport. How county pentagon be so certain in light of the fact that theyre marching towards baghdad. Auto miles 8 weeks ago. Two miles tonight. Anbar is now having terrific problems. Mosul went down in june. We have seen isis growing. And so why pentagon whats the end carat to say that we should feel like this is working . Think of the fences for the city harden as you get closer. This is like saying if they took lowden county versus taking washington, d. C. Or just taking the pentagon Different Levels of defense that they are approaching. So, again, baghdad itself has appear stronger element of protection to it. There is a reason why i think isis so far hasnt tried to take back that. Whats going on with anbar province. The pentagon says the pentagon influx. Influx . Influx. That doesnt sound good. Not exactly what you expect to hear from commanders. Haditha think other Security Forces are holding and others like fallujah in contested, i think they are far more than contested. Are they alarmed . There is alarm, yes. Absolutely. Like i said there is a lot of regret and anger from commanders and troops who fought hard in the years of iraq to especially places like fallujah, to take those cities and to give them to the iraqi people. But the alarm now, i think, is past them. Right . These groups of owe these cities have fallen, groups have taken them over. Now its baghdad. Air strikes, what comes next. I think thats the concern the question that you are hearing over and over again. They use the term influx in anbar and because it looks pretty bad. So i am just having a hard time that they dont think that baghdad is influx in light of the fact that they keep marching closer and closer and closer and shooting down iraqi helicopters. Well, if isis is in anbar and actually in control of a lot of those cities and pentagon describes it as influx they are not in baghdad. Each if some elements of isis get into baghdad. It would be like you have seen elsewhere with terrorist campaigns, ieds very disruptive. Not divisions marching into the city you hope that the calm that to have alarmist. I think the signs are are bad. Anyway you are closer to it anyway. Kevin, thank you. My pleasure. And breaking now, hundreds of civilians trapped and there are fears of a massacre. All of this in kobani on the turkey syria border. Fox News Senior Foreign Affairs correspondent greg palkot is right there on the border. Greg . Greta, u. S. Air strikes might be picking up against isis. But the terrorists do not seem to be slowing down. Take a look at what we saw on the turkey syria border today. Appearances can be deceiving. Overall the syrian town of kobani looks pretty peaceful today. For the past couple of hours we have been hearing a Battle Royale coming from the center of town. Just along the long line of trees kurdish defenders. The isis terrorists have taken it over today. But according to the combat that we are hearing from there, the fight is still on. Sources also tell us that isis now could have control of the only Border Crossing between kobani and turkey. That is the only way the kurds can get casualties and civilians out of there. Reinforce. S and resupplies in. Terrorists are making their moves despite that increased air activity. By our count, there have been 32 u. S. Coalition air strikes against isis in and around kobani just in the past week. The concern here though is that they are all too late. And its another tense night here in turkey on this side of the border. Ethnic kurds have been clashing with police and turkish authorities, deadly riots have been across this country all this past week. Folks are upset about turkey not doing more about isis. And so is the United States, general john allen who is meeting with turkish officials today in the capitol of encore are a. Is he the head of the u. S. Led antiidentifies campaign. But he doesnt seem to have changed too many minds here in turkey during this trip. Bad news for those folks trapped inside of cobane, literally face to face with the terrorists. Greta . Okay, greg. If those civilians are trapped there and that border cross something closed, they cant leave it. They are there. And if isis has been terrible to civilians in other parts of iraq and syria, is that what we can expect for those civilians trapped there . Big fears, greta, if, in fact, isis take over. Right now we figure they are in about one third of the town. As they move across, if they can gather another third of territory, then these folks are in real trouble. Perhaps then the pressure will be on turkey to act. Again, from our live position, we saw rows and rows of turkish tanks. Their pointed towards kobani but doing absolutely nothing that might be the game changer if thousands of civilians are in jeopardy of dying and other torture. Back to you, greta. So the question is with isis getting closer and closer controlling kobani and closing in on baghdad, it is gaining ground in both is syria and iraq. Is there anyone who thinks air strikes are enough . Congressman and air force veteran Adam Kinzinger joins us. Good evening, sir. Hey, greta. Thanks for having me. All right. Well the summary that anbar is in flux, thats what the bernanke calls it which to me is a really bad sign. You have kobani that is now taken over by isis and the civilians cant get out and probably get massacred by isis. We have seen what they have done other places and now isis is 8 miles outside baghdad and we have been doing these air strikes for ant no. Can you tell me if these air strikes are working . Let me first off say i literally feel sick. Actually feel sick hearing about this stuff. And knowing whats going to happen in kobani, i mean, these isis these are elderly folks left near the people who couldnt leave. Are the air strikes helping . Yeah, they are helping something. Some. I just got back from iraq. Bombing of isis in iraq has been able to stop their momentum it did save row robel. Particular them off a little bit. Go ahead. Let me ask you that. Slowing them down. But we havent stopped them. I mean, look at the inroads. Look at the progress they have made. How can this be a success. Its not. The thing is we can slow them down. The inevitability is going to happen. I have been advocating for air strikes for along time. I didnt envision pinprick exercise. I envisioned Something Like shock and awe like 2003 and puts isis on the heels messing with the wrong country. That isnt happening. Disrupting some supply chains, blowing up barracks but all we are doing what appears to be the inevitable without some bigger action. This president , i mean, look, i have tried to give him the benefit of the doubt when i can, i really have. He is constantly two or three steps behind what this terrorist group, if you can you even call them a terrorist group. Whatever is worse than terrorists is what theyre. He is two or three steps behind them constantly. Like he is doing what he has to do so that he can politically look like he is he doing something but he is fundraising and Everything Else. Disappointing and shocking. How terrible is baghdad we know isis has shoulder to air missiles. Taken down iraqi helicopters twice this past week. I assume they can paralyze that Baghdad Airport pretty easily with those. How vulnerable is baghdad . Well, i have to disagree with your previous guest a little bit. I think its vulnerable. Even the psychology of isis in baghdad will have huge impact on the baghdad pop police, on the military that we have season the military melt away before in tough situations. And i tell you what, if they do take or disrupt the Baghdad Airport, that means american supply lines are cut off. That means, you know he, even the civilian population are not getting the supplies that they need. That starts to be reminiscent of saigon. When we look at what happened back in saigon, there is a lot of lessons to learn today which is dont yawn. Dont pretend like this is not going it happen. Dont say the inevitable isnt going to happen like we saw in saigon. Baghdad is a a threat. We have to be ready for the moment at which we are going to have to step up. I just note that kevin barron, he actually was just telling us what the pentagon is telling him. Right. That wasnt, you know, i mean, he, too has concerns, i think just about everybody. Not to mention the disappointment to Many Americans, all the blood lost and all the disappointment there to try to rescue this country and now look at it. Where i was based at is under isis control. No point when i was sleeping there in 2008 and 2009 did i ever imagine this would happen. And here we are. I was in kurdistan in september two weeks later fallujah goes down and mosul in june go through the whole thing. Things werent so bad even last december. Anyway, thank you, congressman. Thank you, thanks for having me. And before he was first elected in 2008, president obama promised his supporters he would close gitmo. Now, six years later, it is still open and the white house is now contemplating bypassing congress using executive power. The wall street journal reporting the white house is currently drafting options to override a congressional ban on transferring detainees to the u. S. Speaker of the house john boehner tweeting president obamas plan to import gitmo terrorists to the u. S. Is another example of durations legacy of lawlessness. Representative ron deisnt a toes joins us. Good evening, sir. Good evening. Whats your thought about the president s at least the white house is apparently developing these plans to try to close gitmo . Well, its concerning in two ways. One, in the wall street journal article they said well, maybe the president will just veto the annual Defense Authorization bill. That bill is critical for our troops, particularly those who are operating overseas. And the idea that he would veto that and choose his ideology over the troops, i think would be so outrageous. And so then that leaves us with him unilaterally taking executive action. As the speaker pointed out, he can not do that consistent with the constitution. Congress has consistently voted to prohibit him from bringing terrorists to the United States and we voted to remove funding for him to do that. So he would be usurping our lawmakerring law making power and power of the purse. Down to 149, 37 hang on to no matter. What 23 have been designated for a military commission. Basically a military trial. It costs 2. 7 million a year per person to keep them in gitmo. Its only 78,000 per person in super max. Nobody has ever escaped from super max. So what is the objection to moving to like super max in colorado . Because nobody gets out of there and its certainly a lot cheaper . Because they are unlawful combatants, terrorists. They are not common criminals. Super max has common criminals. I know we have prosecuted terrorists who have made it to our shores before but its an apples and oranges comparison. That is a marital operation that is going on there. Its not a civilian justice system. Part of the reason it costs a lot is because they get three special meals a day. They get around the clock medical care. They get the korans when they want it. They are treated far better than they would be treated almost anywhere else and thats costly. I would like to see us trim back on that for sure. Is there any way to i mean so, you bring them to the United States, do they get expanded rights . Is that the problem. Yeah, absolutely. I dont think youre going to be able to bring them into a federal prison. They are going to immediately go and file a writ of habeas corpus and the judge is going to follow the domestic law which is either bring charges or release the prisoner. And they are not entitled to the same Constitutional Rights as you or i are or other american citizens. All right. These numbers are astounding. Bringing them to the u. S. We save 390 million a year. Its not just a question of money, its also a question of National Security and safety. But it seems to me that there must be some way to figure out this solution without releasing them. Anyway. You have got to go through the right way. Get the congress to vote what you want to do. We have not been willing to do that thus far. So you cant go it alone. Congressman, nice to see you. Thank you, sir. Thanks for having me. Doctors at a nebraska hospital say his condition slightly improved. Photo journalist is receiving both an experimental drug and blood transfusion from ebola survivor dr. Kent brantly and then there is this a ebola scare on flight. A passenger reportedly sneezed and announced to all other passengers that he had ebola. When the plane landed men in hazmat suits the passenger from the plane the plane was cleared and checked. The passenger falsely yelled he had ebola. Now to the 60,000 question where in the world is kim jong un in the mysterious north korea leader has not been seen in public since septemberrd. Now today what is very peculiar the leader was mia from a national event. Fueling speculation that he is either seriously ill or has been overthrown. Former u. N. Ambassador john bolton joins us. You know where he is, right . Is he campaigning with president obama somewhere. Ouch. We dont have a clue what the real situation is. And thats really the first point here other intelligence about north korea. Not kim jong uns whereabouts is inadequate and has been for decades. The best we come from south korean speculation that he is ill. That shouldnt make us feel any better. I mean, what difference does it make if we know where he is . Just because its sort of a cat and mouse game and we are curious . Its still a Nuclear Armed country. Still at war with the United States. You know, what difference if we cant if we dont know if he is dead or alive or in the hospital. Well, lets assume it is a health condition. Nonetheless, the fact that he has been invisible for a month now, especially on this highly symbolic political an verse searp of the founding of the north korean communist party. Which is also a slight to his father that he wasnt there. Right. Could be an indication there is political turmoil as well. That has direct implications for the United States. First as you say, because this is obviously a Nuclear Weapon state. So what happens to it is critical. Plus, lets be clear. If there is instability in north korea, if it looks like the government is about to collapse, u. S. And south Korean Forces have had contingency plans for years to go into north korea to try and find and secure the Nuclear Weapons, the chemical weapons. So, this is a matter of you are general is is i for the United States and south korea. You know, iivel there three times. And what has always struck me is how every Single Person i met. Not that i had much contact because they control what you do there. Is hates us. Or scared of us and really thinks that every single day of the week that you and i and everybody watching this show is busy trying to figure out how we are going to kill the people. Unbelievable. They sore convinced of it. There is enormous paranoia. Really very little we know other than speculation about what the power struggle is in time. Thats why control over north koreas Nuclear Weapons Program Becomes so important so that generals or others dont abscond with technology, with materials, with the peps themselves. And so thats what brings us to a very, very potentially dangerous point when we dont know the level of stability inside north korea, which is pretty much where we are now. There are reports that number 2 and number 3 in the government were recently in south korea. Like last week that was like pretty big. The two of them together. What did that mean . That prompted a lot of the speculation about a coupe inside north korea. Thats why high level officials who were thought to be antagonistic that kim jong un had ventured out of the country. This is

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