Talking in cspan in november of 2009 when she is talking about his mit analysis of the bill. All catching one her. She said you have got to it read the bill to find out whats in it. The problem people read it and dont like it. Now you see Jonathan Gruber coming out and admitting they had to use deception to pass the bill and relying on the bill not paying attention and holding them accountable unfortunately as they saw with the election results. Public set up. Besides the substance of the bill, i want to make sure we had v. A good smart bill, whatever is im appalled and sneaking around and saying the American People are stupid and she is running away from him and three years ago she is bragging on him on cspan and thinks we are so stupid that we dont immediate get on the computer and google all of this. The president is ultimately going to be held accountable for. This this is the deception they used from the very beginninging they counted on the American People not paying attention. Keep it. Reduce your healthcare. But they also went through the process in a way that the president promised it would all be on cspan and all be transparent. Of course it wasnt. The chickens are coming home to rosa roost. Is there anything to be done or call or call gruber up before the committee and say who are you talking to . Who else thinks the American People are stupid . How much deception was there . As you can see over the last two years we have been holding this Administration Accountable to all kinds of hearings with the web site from the faferlt web site all the way through the promises with this new revelation we are going to be using this in the oversight we are going to do in a robust way in the house and with a new republican senate. You have even nor opportunities to bring these people in before committees where they will answer to the American People on cspan. Even though they didnt do it when they passed the bill they will be held accountable in public view. I wonder what leader pelosi is tonight. Doesnt know what who Jonathan Gruber is which is frankly not true. What do you think tonight. She and barack obama have this facade for the last few years that the media going to cover for them. All out there on tape. The problem is you have people like greta, fox news, holding them accountable republic is fed up with them and Mainstream Media holding them consequences as well. American people had a chance to vote two weeks ago. Now members of congress, house, senate, republican, democrats do the right thing, whatever that might be. There is action we will be taking months two years ahead to continue to address these problems to go and try to repeal and replace this law. This is going to be the top issue in the 2016 president ial race. Nice to he see you. Welcome home to washington. Great to be back, greta. You heard professor Jonathan Gruber the obamacare architect say lack of transparency and stupidity of the voters got obamacare passed and that is not all that Jonathan Gruber said. So can the Obama Administration, Democratic Leaders really talk their way out of this one . Lack of transparency is a huge political vad advantage. I dont know who he is. The cbo scored taxes the bill would die. Administration law. Make it all transparent. Republicans who havent been particularly transparent. Joining us our Political Panel abc political director rick cline u. S. News and world report david cat ton knees and john mccormick. Rick, is this a problem, this gruber thing . Its a massive problem. It undermines democrats in trying to make what affirmative campaign they can around the obamacare healthcare law about the process. About the fact that he this would like to be able to talk about it in terms of the benefits that it brings. Once again, we are back to the yen sis, the genesis was messy. The genesis was ugly. Again trying to play defense around this. Under mines efforts to defend the law and strengthen and improve it fuel the other side in terms of trying to fight for repeal weather piecemeal or wholesale these comments dont help. David, i say every nate, i really want everyone to have access to medical care. This really matters to me which is probably why im so enraged at this. I feel had. This whole business about transparency. You have josh earnst saying today the White House Press secretary president obama is proud of the transparency process that was taken to pass this bill into law. No one read it you cant call that transparency. Spork pelosi Speaker Pelosi didnt know what was in it until it was passed. I hold her accountable for that medical device tax. They read the thing in the beginning they would know it was in there from the very beginning. Obviously they didnt know it was transparency because they didnt know what was in it. They are completely dug, in the democrats. Leader pelosi is completely dug in. There is going to be no accountability for her, frankly because she is a gerrymander democrat in a liberal district. Be be there as long as she wants, House Minority leader for probably as long as she wants because no one is challenging her on that. I may Say Something about the leadership of the Democratic Party right now. Can you imagine if republicans didnt win the Senate Last Week or lost seats . You would have challenges to leadership. You see no challenges to leadership. You saw two Senate Democrats peal away from harry reid today. But you dont even see anywhere, democrats are indebted to leader pelosi for her fundraising abilities on the coast and she isnt going to defend the healthcare law until she leaves no matter what new facts emerge. I just dont think i mean. , for her to stand there today and said she never heard of the guy was Pretty Amazing being she was citing him in press conferences. Of course, im deeply offended think were so stupid we dont have google and union and everything else. Not only did she say she didnt know the guy he didnt help write the law floork the. Draft the specifics of the legislation on congress. He went down there does anyone bet that Jonathan Gruber knows whats in it more than nancy pelosi. Nobody read this law. How are talking to as you are trying to hide behind lack of trans state of ohio push this off on the American People i think it highlights all of the lies. The whole point he talks about the stupidity of the American Voter. I think it would be more accurate to say the stupidity of the american politician who thought they could tell these lies and pass a bill and no one would know. They got massacred in 2010 after the bill as passed. They got passed 2012. After implementation in 2014 hammered again. Keep your doctor if you like your doctor. Keep your healthcare plan, lower premiums. Would you call him to testify . Yeah, and i think its going to happen and also has a live implication beyond even the pr of testimony Supreme Court challenge. His comments were part of that and legislative intent. It is still going to play out. Panel, thank you. Always nice to see you. Three tapes surfacing in three days every one of them Jonathan Gruber the architect calling you stupid. Exploitation of the lack of economic understanding of the American Voter. American voter is too stupid to understand the difference. Call it it the stupidity of the American Voter or whatever. Suggest that voters are stupidity and thats how you passed it. You dont feel bad about that at all. I disagree with that assessment i think is what i would say. So who is this professor Jonathan Gruber in his research it is that to convince the Obama Administration that healthcare reform could only work if everyone is required to buy insurance. That earned him the nickname mr. Mandate. And joining us the the Washington Post catherine rampel. Your article in march 2012 where i first read about the fact that he was known as the Obama Administration as mr. Mandate. How far back was he involved in healthcare reform in Obama Administration. I would predate it well before the Obama Administration launch of what is now known as obamacare. He helped design romney care. He worked with other governors, including governor schwarzenegger. Also Republican Health design what a new Health Insurance system would like like if you wanted to expand coverage. Did he also work with capitol hill . Yeah. He worked with members on the hill as far as i recall. But basically more behind the scenes. He was not really writing a legislation so much. He was helping people understand what the legislation did. And he was kind of the numbers guy. He was crunching a lot of the numbers. Building economic models what the legislation would look like. What would work, what wouldnt work. And the reason why he became known as mr. Mandate is because of those complicated economic models demonstrated without an individual mandate he believed that the new system would fail. Is there anyone else, was there any other mr. Mandate. What sort of struck us is that the leader pelosi as far as back as referred to him not by mr. Mandate it seems his was the one of consistently with the mandate. Thats because his work is the work that was kind of the crux of deciding that that was a crucial part of legislation. People have been doing this for decades in terms of coming up with these models to help figure out how policy will actually be bourn out in the real world. What kinds of things can go wrong. He was the one that demonstrated without this individual mandate you would have whats called in economics by the way a death spiral that you would have adverse election, you would have people who sick penal getting insurance, have costs spiraling out of control. Whats with this comic book that you wrote in this article in 2012. He wrote a comic book . He did. This was one of several comic books i have seen written and produced by economists by trying to make a economic concept more accessible to the lay public. This was sort of a gimmicky thing but there were a few at the time. I can think of a few others that came out as well. Im not exactly sure hot intended audience was for, this i have to say. I dont know that there is a whole lot of overlap between the comic book reading audience and those interested in healthcare. Yes, that was one of his many projects. All right, in your article you also quote him say yes, i want the public to be informed by objective expert, i mean, its clear that he is making 400,000 from the bottom of the and kept thatten othe slide, even according to allergies does i still hold himself as objective exert expert or advocate. I think they do try to think of themselves as objective and neutral to the extent that they can. Im not sure thats always the case. You know, even if they are not on someones payroll, they are going to be wedded to it some concept or other. But, you know, his role was really to provide some sort of wonky, Technical Expertise not to be a macvel ian master strategist which is he being character characterized as being being now. When he talks about calling people stupid and using the system and talking about the fact that transparency used to fool people i think he sort of invited that on himself. Im taking the last word on that. Thank you for joining us. Thank you. He. Today more video surfacing. Listen what he said in 2012 that he also helped design. The dirty secret in massachusetts is the feds pay for our bill. In massachusetts we have a very powerful senator known as ted kennedy. We figured out ted kennedy basically figured out a way to rip off the feds for 400 million a year. Senator john thune joins us. Good evening, sir. Your thoughts about Jonathan Gruber, professor from mit . I mean this is why the American People are so cynical about, washington elite now basically calling them stupid not basically, actually. I remember during the debate on obamacare they constantly were waiving around this Jonathan Gruber mit economist analysis as a validation that it would actually lower cost and reduce the deficit. All these promises that were made. And i think a lot of democrats in the senate voted for it based upon, predicated upon this guys analysis because he was supposed to be so right. Now he comes out and basically hood winking the American People. Makes reference to romney care 400 million that sort of financed romney care in massachusetts. Actually federal tax dollars and the federal government isnt going to get financed china is not going to come and finance this or whatever. No. Thats the thing about this. American taxpayer gets left holding the bag. All the statements he made at the time to try to convince members of congress and members of public that somehow this was a good thing has been completely kiss disproven. Higher deductibles and copays. Add enormous sums to the deficit over time. No question about it. Hard to get to substance thought. So insulting to the American People and to the system even talking about the dirty little secret behind romney care like is he hood winking everybody and a game. Calling americans stupid. Talking about hood winking and talking about we can only get a past because there is no transparency. You know, i cant get to the substance im so offended by them. Thats the reaction a lot of people have he sees this thing can you do anything about this . Can you get this thing repeat now . I think the arrogance that comes out of washington, d. C. That this guy represents is what is so is why the American People are so completely disgusted. All right, so you own the senate now, hold a hearing and ask him who else who he will talked to. Get some information. Have the majority. I would love to do that and get him to come in and answer and give account for some of these things that he said about the American People. You can force him to . Well, thats a good question. I suspect that discussion will be held. With the new majority leader mitch mcconnell. Yeah. I want to ask you about another issue the renewed debated on the keystone pipeline. House and the that Senate Planning votes on the pipeline. This sort of dueling senator landrieu in the senate and then you have congressman cassidy who is challenging her in the house. In the democrats had been half as concerned contracting jobs American People as they were saving the job of one politician in louisiana this would have been done years ago. This is now six years in to this process the democrats have been blocking it the president has been blocking it whats really going to be interesting to see is if in fact the democrats in the senate now flip and decide to vote for it. What does the president do . What do you think is he going to do. Traveling in asia but doesnt sound like is he going to power it. They could be going through this whole exercise for not. But it just goes to show you the lengths to which people will go here in washington, d. C. To play politics with an issue that is so important to the American People. My home state of south dakota, according to the president s own state Department Says this would create 3,000 to 4,000 jobs. Hundred Million Dollars in earnings. 20 million in property tax revenue. Its a nobrainer. Do you have the vote to override a veto if the president vetoes it. Good question. Probably not in this congress, maybe the next. We have more republicans. Nice to see you sir. Thanks, greta. 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