Following orders or its random when you systematically kill jews and kill christians and say thats what you are doing its not random. It seems to me a lot of the country is still in a state of denial about it and the only way you can deal with Something Like that is to put it up on the table call it what it is, deal with it and any idea that you can defend everywhere at every moment of the day or night against every conceivable technique is simply wrong. If you try to defend everywhere. You defend nowhere. The only way you can deal with it is to go after those people. Well, you know, i have done a Little Research and you have been talking about terrorism. I found one writing going back to 1983. We have been talking about allusive enemy terrorist. Not like a nation state where we know where they are, know their borders. This has been going on and on and on. Its getting uglier and worse. People are treating it like its new. And it isnt. Back when i was president reagans middle east envoy i recall there was Something Like 37 terrorist acts in 30 days in 13 different countries. And the difference today is that weapons are more lethal. And there is the media. So, it is dramatized and people see it and it i think it was lennon who said is the purpose of terrorism is not to kill people. Its to terrorize them. Its to alter their behavior. And the world sits by not really recognizing that the whole concept cop september of trying to create caliphate is destructive of the whole concept of the nation state that orders our world it might be the leadership though thinks that through i get a lot of emails from a lot of viewers. Im glad to hear that. Who are very concerned about that and identify the enemy as islamic extremism. They are killing jews and christians a lot of our viewers are on to it they are very disenchanted because they know what this white houses strategy is holocaust was going on and nazis were killing jews buoy the thousands. United States Government turned away ships filled with justs from our ports. They ended up going down to the Dominican Republic and finally being admitted to their country by that dictator down there so many decades ago. And the antisemitism thats rising in the world today, we read about jewish cemeteries being desis desecrated sen going synagogues being attacked. Its important we not have a leadership vacuum that we, in fact, take a problem put it on the table look at it, be honest about it and then develop a strategy to deal with it which is hard, admittedly. Once you decide you are worried about something you have to set a goal. If you set goal somebody is not going to like it and criticize it. It takes courage to set a goal. It takes courage to develop a course of action to deal with that goal. And perseverance. Even though life is tough. Its going to be difficult. You are going to have failures and successes. But you have to be persistent and believe in what youre doing. And if you deny what the problem is you cant even get started. We have new secretary of defense as of today. Whats going to be his biggest challenge, do you think . He is a good man. In my view he was a good appointment. I see him as a highly skilled technical person for the Department Im not part of the Obama White House but i have trouble believing that the people in the white house with all the czars and the different factions in there that i mean he is going to be the secretary of defense for this president this president was elected he will do a good job down in the department. How successful he will be getting the president or the key people Valerie Jarrett and the other people who are so influential in the department to alter their behavior or advice or views, i dont think thats going to happen. The president has got two more years. It seems to me the only thing that could change it is not going to be the press. Its not going to be the congress. It would have to be people in his cabinet. People in his white house staff going in and saying, look, we have been wrong we are making a mistake. We are going to have to calibrate and deal with this problem or are or 00 vacuum we have created is going to impose enormous cost on this country in time, in money, cost, and in blood. What do you make of whats going on in the ukraine with putin . Well its free play for putin. He sees no nothing that would suede him. Europe is impotent in dealing with this problem. They have allowed themselves to develop a degree of dependency on russian oil and energy. And i dont see them ukraine is enormously important. Right before our eyes, the world, not just the United States, but western europe is letting things happen there that rather than dissuading further adventure system behavior by the russians it encourages it. You have to ask whats next . The baltics . Central asia . If a person is not dissuaded, they are going to do what they can do. People like that they are not going to change their behavior unless there is some penalty for behaving the way they are behaving. Secretary, always nice to see you, sir. Thank you. This is terrifying. The investigation into the beheading of 21 christians exposing new evidence that ice is in libya and its coordinating with isis in iraq and isis in syria. Fox news chief intelligence correspondent Catherine Herridge joins us. Whats the information about the coordination with isis in libya iraq, and syria . Well, isis in iraq and syria under its leader, Abu Al Baghdadi has its own Media ProductionCompany Called the alhyayat media center. This video of the 21 egyptian christians executed, this was districted by alhyayat. That means that when the video went out it went out with the blessing of the isis leadership in iraq and syria. Like a big movie Production Company for these groups. When they send it out to the theaters or when they post it online its all done from a stragglely controlled area. And, in this case it was isis in iraq and syria. Not isis in libya. All right. Now, we now our biggest nightmare was it expanded to libya. Its there now it has expanded. Clear coordination. Clear coordination. Where is our next sort of, you know what should would he be looking at and what should would he be fearing . Whats the next level of coordination . If you recall the execution video of the egyptian christians what we now know is that the isis online magazine thats put out by the group in iraq and syria, three days before the video was published they put up photos on the web that were taken from the execution itself. So that tells you that what happened in libya is part of a media rollout by isis. This is not an isolated event. All right. And then today the grim news. I dont know bbc is reporting it i dont know who else has confirmed about 45 have been rolled around in cages paraded like that jordanian pilot and now 45 of them have been burned to death. Two episodes, one reported by the bbc reported that 45 people were burned to death in this iraqi town of al baghdadi which is near the big base. Five miles away isnt it. Five miles away from al assad which is the base where the marines are training the Iraqi Security forces. At the same time, there are new images coming out of Northern Iraq showing kurdish fighters being paraded in metal cages and wearing orange jump suits like what we saw with the jordanian pilot that was burned to death. We dont know what happened to that man it shows you there is a pattern in their tactics, not only on the ground but also with their propaganda. Talking to all of your intelligence sources is anyone pointing to any good signs . Any place where this is like where isis is constricting where isis is on the run where we are getting ahead of the game . When you speak with people privately, they will say that there has been a pretty good ct year this last year. Counter terrorism strikes in taking out targets. But, what those say private live is they feel they are losing this fight. Its not a matter of capability. Its having the authority to hit these targets. And what do they need for the authority . They need the president to say go . You know, its beyond that. If you look at this reauthorization under the amuf, they want to have broad powers. If ice is outside of iraq and syria, they have the latitude to hit targets in libya. To do so with unnecessary bureaucracy. All right. Well, the president has been operating under the old authorization of force. Did they likewise feel that limitation under the former president . I didnt ask is that specifically. What was said to me was that the Intelligence Community feels that they have good eyes on target in libya. That they need the authority to go after these people. And thats an authority that they do not have right now. Catherine, thank you. You are welcome. And you have heard president obama say it over and over that we will degrade and destroy isis. But now does the state department have a different plan . Will jobs stop isis . We cannot kill our way out of this war. We need to improve Job Opportunities on the ground. We can help them build their economy so they can have Job Opportunities. I mean, there is so many things wrong with what she said. We need answers that go beyond a military answer. Last time i checked the Obama Administration had enough on its hands giving Job Opportunities to the tens of millions of americans who are out of work. What makes these 17yearold kids pick up an ak 47 instead of try to start a business . What is the root . What is causing them to do this . It is religion. We cannot win this war by killing them. We cannot kill our way out of this war. This is an insult to all the people in the world who are actually poor and not blowing people up. Exactly. So what does the United States really need to do to defeat isis . Will it take troops on the ground . Joining us the navy seal who did the world a great service. He killed usama bin laden. Rob oneill joins us. Thank you, sir. Thanks for having me. I should add with the help of your colleagues. Yeah, complete team effort. Thats what we need right now, too. You heard the state department say that we needed one of the things we needed to do is get jobs for irs sis im sort of paraphrasing. Whats your thoughts on isis is. My thoughts is difficult. State department into diplomacy thats the kind of stuff they are going to say. Right now dont need diplomacy, need to use our military strategy. Thats going to right now the people of isis if you can call them people, really, they get paid to cut off heads to crucify children to sell slaves and cut off heads. I dont think a change in career path is going to stop them. If you had a green light in charge what would you do . I would rely on the three pillars of our military strategy is forward defense deterrence and alliance solidarity. Right now the solidarity with our allies would be to go defend them. Right now you have got people burned in al baghdadi air assault air base. They helped us in 2007 when we needed sunni help destroy al qaeda and iraq which is pretty much who isis is now. Now they are asking us for help. Get boots on the ground in there with our true allies to defeat them where they are. We need to meet force with force at the point of origin and duration and intensify it. Is that going to work. Definitely work. Right now all we are using is air power. Air power although it is strong its a force multiplier we need force on the ground to multiploy. We need to bring in more marines. Fly in 317s al Assad Air Base and get them out there with our allies. The last time an enemy like this tried to fight us was in march of 2002 until the province. That was some you see becks, al qaeda and taliban. We routed them in operation anaconda. They havent tried it since. These guys are getting bold gvment they meet the u. S. Marine corps its a matter of days before they are hiding again. Other people who served in the war with you, is frustration with civilian leadership . I mean, i talk to people who are in the military. They tell me what they can do and what they want to do yet they are unable to because they dont have the green light. There is frustration some of my friends serving stated. A lot of decisions being made are made by people who want to get reelected. Is he fighting the war we need to realize again, this is with our allies that this is a global war. Just because its not were north fighting them doesnt mean theyre not fighting us. They are frustrated with. So decisions that are not being made just based on politics. I guess if i were in the position of leadership as a civil isian making a decision, its very hard for me, i have seen people come back with their legs blown off and to me its very yeez to make a decision to go fight on the ground because im not going. I think its a tough call it is a tough call but you need to realize this tough stuff what they are doing to the young girls and women being sold in bishzs. These are our allies that helped us we need to stand by them and help them. This problem is spreading. We saw it in libya. We are seeing it what used be syria and iraq it will go to saudi arabia and hit jorged. Would you go back. I would in a second, yes. In a second. Yes he. Good four. Thank you once again to you and your team. Thank you for having me. Also today the Obama Administration admitting that isis is winning the twitter war according to the new york times, the Administration Says isis is more successful with recruiting propaganda than the u. S. Is with countering it the u. S. Is planning to step up social media efforts. Joining us our Political Panel the Washington Post aaron blake and rick klein. I suppose i shouldnt be cynical about the fact that were fighting the war twitter because it does have an impact in terms of the pr aspect of it this twitter thing is distressing. There are things the government does well and i would say tweeting towards a potential terrorist is probably not one of them. I understand that the effort here is to try to meet recruitment where its happening. A lot of it is happening online. We know that isis has been very aggressive in social media in reaching people who are disaffected and feel like they have nothing to lose and they go join the fight. A lot of people are skeptical. This is a very Small Government Program we are talking about here. Even if it was a huge one the idea people who are are tempted to join a Tears Organization are going to be dissuaded by something the u. S. Government is tweeting out hard it to believe. You know, the key thing here is that they are trying to basically promote things that are coming from more moderate muslim voices. More moderate arab voices. They are not going to be necessarily going out there and saying this is what the u. S. Government thinks that imrowng muslim people should be looking at. They want to basically expand the voices of people who might are more sympathetic to our cause. This something that they realize they need to do because this is a very powerful recruiting tool for these people. And i think that, you know its a difficult thing to do. But its one of the premier challenges they face. All right well, if this is important. And i get why it is what i dont understand why the Obama Administration is just sort of understanding it now that its important that were losing. Not like when we look at the arab spring that was provoked many think the catalyst was social media now in 2015, were suddenly thinking oh maybe we are not doing this right. Yeah, i think this has been sort of a backwater of something the government has been doing already. Just on a much smaller scale. What we are reading about and hearing about now. We are reading about failure now. Right. And now a redoubled earth. Consolidation of resources. You are right this has been going on for a long time. Isnt something traditionally associating with government. In league with propaganda efforts in the past. This is something new. We are adjusting and i think typically for government you are pretty slow. Nice you call it adjusting. When you hear the word now we are losing this. The other part of it i think though is that whenever you are talking about social media whenever you are talking about things that are asking you to join with a cause, the more extreme messages are going to be the ones that get the most traction. People in the middle who are on twitter every day rick and i people in the middle arent dominating twitter. Peep 00 right and people on the left. Thats not the same thing as the debate policy. I think its much more difficult to get across with a moderate line of news gathering and of promotion than it is to get the more extreme elements interested in what you are doing. Good point. 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For pain relief that can last all the way until morning. New aleve pm, for a better am. This is a genocidal movement. We have an administration that will not even admit that there is a religious basis underlying whats going on. Why doesnt the president get it . The Administration Says that the ones who were killed were egyptian citizens. But there are christians all over the world who