We all won because we got to see king georges bathroom. Good night from washington. On the record is up next. This is a fox news alert. A mass murderer is on the run. Tonight a desperate manhunter is on for a shooter or shooters who killed 8 people execution style killings in four separate homes in ohio. Good evening. Im Kimberly Guilfoyle in for greta van susteren. Seven of those victims are adults and one is a 16yearold boy. All 8 are members of the same family. I heart radio reporter jared allen joins us on the phone live in piketon, ohio. Jared, whats the latest . Hi, kimberly. Piketon, ohio is in shock tonight. The county sheriff here is defining it very, very well by saying that this is a stain on this community and it is something that they will pull through. There were eight people who
were shot executionstyle in a home about 20 miles, actually, the crime scenes were in four different homes 20 miles west of piketon in a Tiny Community called peebles. And there were four crime scenes. They were spaced apart. This is not something that the people of piketon are used to hearing. This is a community where young couples would go to raise a child and do it freely with leaving your doors open and, you know, your windows unlocked at night. And tonight thats not something theyre doing. Very disturbing. Now, any suspects or clues that theyre pursuing at this time . They are not framing it as such as an active shooting. They must have some information to be able to say that. Thats correct. The attorney general is not framing this as an active shooting. However, they say that there are no suspects right now. No one is in custody. And the gunman or gunmen, plural, still out there tonight. And they are actively searching for whomever is responsible for this heinous act. Okay. If anybody has tips or clues or information or some leads on, this who should they contact . They should contact the ohio bureau of criminal investigation. Thats 1855ohiobci. Thats 1855ohiobci. That is a Clearing House for all of the tips in this case. All right. Well, hopefully, they will get the person or individuals responsible in custody so that community can be a little bit at peace. It must be very harrowing right now. Thank you very much. Absolutely. How will cops try to track down this dangerous murderers . On the record ted williams is here. Before ted was a lawyer he was a homicide detective and he was putting away the bad guys. Catching them and locking them up. Ted, a pleasure to be here tonight. Same with you. If you heard the interview before, he is saying that the attorneys are not saying that it an active shooting, the a. G. There, instead saying that there is a suspect or potential suspects out there. But so its kind of curious to me that they would say that. Well, you are absolutely right. That tells me that Law Enforcement is holding something very close to their vest. What we do know, there is one Common Thread here that all of the members executed were of the same family. So, that is certainly something that Law Enforcement is going to try to find or follow up on, kimberly, to try to determine what was the motive. And who very well could very well have been involved in the killing of these eight individuals. You wonder. There must have been some compelling clues left at the scene. Especially with such a horrible crime scene. Perhaps there was trace of who, perhaps, was responsible. Maybe they dont want to tip them off. But they would have to know more than theyre telling us at this hour and hopefully that means that they have some kind of lead or idea about who they are after. I would have to agree with you, kimberly. They probably have persons or persons of interest in mind. They dont want to tip anything up. When you have massive crime scenes at four different locations, you leave a lot of trace evidence. It is highly unlikely that they did not i would assume that they would have someone in mind. I would think so. When you look at the Common Thread that they were all related. We see so many times myself as a former prosecutor, you as a homicide detective, attorney. Domestic situations gone awry where you have people who carry out mass killings of one family. Its very disturbing. Im sure they are taking a look at some of the familiarial relationships as well. You are on target with that once the Common Threadthat these are all Family Members. So what they are trying to do is determine what is the motive . Is there someone that had a beef against one Family Member . And they also have probably ruled out a murder suicide. Because if it was a murdersuicide they would probably have found a gun or guns and could very well have traced that. One of the first things you do, ted. Okay, these are the Family Members that are present. Who is missing . Who is not here . Who is unaccounted for . Or who has had a beef. I understand there may have been some kids that survived and they very well could give them some information that will lead to the killers or killer in regard to these individuals. Most certainly time is of the essence. We will be bringing any breaking news on that as the show continues. Ted, thank you so much for your time. My pleasure. This is a fox news alert. Isis is trying to come to the u. S. Through mexico. An american man accused of trying to join isis telling
investigators the brutal terror group wants to open routes from syria to the u. S. That goes straight through mexico. Fox news correspondent bryan llenas is here to talk about it. Britain, what can you tell us . This is very disturbing report pause so much discussion is going on in the press and news these days about open borders and the direct threat that it relates to national security. Good evening, kimberly. Thats exactly right. 21yearold ollie omar, prosecutors say that he tried. He had conversations with his accomplices and other people here about trying to enter syria through mexico by crossing the border. Then he intended to tell isis how exactly he did that so that isis could then use that exact same route to get into the United States from mexico and bring fighters to potentially mount attacks in the United States. Now, he is one of four accomplices who was arrested a year ago to the day to this month in minnesota for conspiring to really provide material aid or support to isis. This was a bigtime investigation in minnesota. We are talking about a 10 month investigation. 10 people were arrested for conspiring to provide material to isis. Five of those people pled guilty. These four are fighting it in court and the trial is on may 9th. One of those men is actually believed to have made it into syria. In terms of the wiretap conversations and the informant, they have these guys talking about wanting to kill an fbi agent. They have him talking about wanting to use homemade rockets to shoot down civilian airlines. And at one point, its not only the fact that they have these conversations about wanting to enter through the mexican border, but its also the intent. Some of these men were caught in airports, in san diego. One caught by the fbi on a plane bordering in new york intending to head to syria. So its not just somebody who is just saying these things, prosecutors say. They are clearly trying. They are not theorizing on it. They are actually actively pursuing. This really the question is how serious is the threat on the border right now . Homeland security, the u. S. Government, mexico will tell you there is no hard evidence of isis or foreign terrorist organizations on
the border. Its just not there. They will tell you that there are more middle eastern immigrants that are trying to enter the country. We have seen the up particular between 2006 and 2011. We have seen about 1900 middle eastern immigrants or more trying to come in recently we saw eight syrians trying to cross from texas. They were cleared. The bottom line is that while there is no real hard evidence, they look at what is happening in europe. He had look at hamas and how they went into cartels using tunnels. From mexico into the United States. And so now you have got people saying clearly if somebody like this in minnesota have this idea and wants to help isis to find routes into the United States they can like any other cartel find come in. Thats the thought process. There is that narcoty with isis terror groups and al qaeda. Were they will deny it. Those are the people we have caught. What about the ones that pierce through. All right, brian, thank you so much for your time this evening. 2016 g. O. P. Frontrunner
donald trump warned of this very threat we have been discussing before he even began his president ial run. You can certainly have terrorists. You can certainly have islamic terrorists. You can have anything coming across the border. We dont do anything about it. Form everywhere Arizona Governor and donald trump supporter governor jan brewer goes on the record. If anybody knows about the borders in this country and the threat that it produces to us, to have these open borders for people to get through, it is the governor tonight. So thank you for being with us. Thank you, kimberly. So how serious is the threat on the u. S. Borders tonight . Well, certainly those of us that live along the border and border states, we are concerned. I think the population of citizens in arizona, of course, we are the pathway and we know that the borders are open. And that people are coming across. All kinds of description. And now that we have
recordings of people right here amongst us intending to make a route going out of mexico, to inform the terrorists that they can take that same route in, i think that we should all be alarmed. We have stood up and we have cried out to our federal government to secure our borders. And we have seen what has happened in western europe. And there is no reason why it cant happen here in the United States. Its alarming. So i want to talk to you a little bit about your endorsement of president ial candidate donald trump and Border Control you said before played an Important Role in your decision to endorse him and how do you feel that his immigration and Border Patrol policy will help to keep people like isis and other terror groups from getting into the u. S. . Well, i think that mr. Trump understands the necessity of the federal government doing their job and by securing our borders by building the wall. Getting more boots on the ground. Using technology so that people in the United States will feel safe and certainly the people in the border states will feel safe and that people that ranch and farm along the border walk outside their property without being fearful. Its a disgrace that our federal government doesnt step up and do something and now we have got a president ial candidate thats a leader who will probably be the next president of the United States that will have open ears to listen to us. You know, we shouldnt have to have people, kimberly, in my opinion, out there screaming outloud secure our borders, do your job. And then the federal government tell us that we cant do it. Especially when you hear all the reports. People basically just walking right across the border. Whats to prevent someone like an isis recruit like we heard in the Previous Story of dog the very same thing and taking the routes that they were successful to be able to penetrate and cross from telling others the same way to do it . Absolutely. I mean, it just makes common
sense. Anybody can understand that if everybody else is coming across, why cant the terrorists come across . And they dont like us and they dont have any consideration whatsoever for life. And, you know, they are willing to blow anybody up at any time. And we need to be protected and we need a president that will protect us and donald trump brought it back on the forefront and for those of us that believe in a secure border and the rule of law, we thank him for that. Yes. And there is open terrorism forums on the internet talking about this exact thing and how easy it is to get into the United States. Governor, thank you so much. Thank you, kimberly. Now to the 2016 battle, brand new fox news polls just released, Donald Trump Holding a big lead in the golden state. The fox news poll of likely republican california voters has donald trump with 49 . Senator ted cruz is 27 points behind trump with 22. And Governor John Kasich is in third place with 20 . And indiana trump is in the lead but by a smaller margin
41 of likely g. O. P. Voters picked trump. 8 points behind trump is senator ted cruz with 33 . Much tighter there and Governor John Kasich rounding out the field with 16 . The on the record Political Panel is here to make sense of all the numbers from the Washington Post philip bump and from the National Review ian. Thank you so much for being with me here tonight. What do you make, philip of the numbers. Its almost certainly going to come down to california. There is not really any path that donald trump has to get the delegates he needs before california. The big question has been how well can he do there in the problem is he has to do well in all a 3 congressional districts. He needs to wins a much as he can. Three delegates for each one that he wins. This poll suggests he is going to win a lot of them. Between indiana and california thats 60 of the delegates he needs north to clinch the nomination. Thats very good news for the trump campaign. Ian how do you see. It thats right. The thing thats curious about california is the demographics are so varied across the state that to
quote 538 which you essentially have 52, 53 microprimaries going on across the state. So for the Cruz Organization thats had just fantastic data mining so far throughout their campaign, you know, you go to a district like they did here in new york, you try to find, you know, a district that has a very small number of republicans, and you make a hard sell to them and try to flip some of those districts. You can pinpoint that might come to you. Thats three delegates and you help to slowly chip away at trumps total. You can slowly chip away. But at some point there is a titanic iceberg, philip, where you say is it mathematically impossible at this point for ted cruz to be able to overtake donald trump . And thats what it seems like especially with the big victory in new york. Right. Well, cruz cant win the 1237 delegates that he needs to. Ted cruz did try to do that in new york and target particular congressional delegates. He blew him out. He didnt win any. Trying to do in california. Try to do it there. If you have a margin like this carry through the state even if ted cruz does better in the more central hispanic valley. This is definitely good news for the Donald Trump Campaign . Does it mean is he going to hit the 1237 . Not necessarily. There is still a lot of time left. What is the strategy Going Forward . Try to get to a contested convention and hope that you can win it on second ballot or something . First, indiana is very important. Indiana is a must win state for cruz. And if he doesnt and this poll is about what we saw loading up to wisconsin. Remember, cruz took wisconsin by 13 points. Hard push in the last two weeks. Thats about right where we are now. There is that possibility. And then, you know, you pluck away some delegates out of california, you win. So western states, which cruz is likely to do. Trump basically has to overperform in almost all of the states Going Forward to hit 1237. Good models suggest that he is going to to been 80 away from that so, at that point,
we get to the fun of a convention. And what do you think just real quick in the few seconds left. If we get to that and its like okay, hes that short, its like this short, you know. 99 out of the 100yard dash. This is why he went down to florida to talk to republican leaders. He wants to get them to just sort of acquiesce and say type, okay, if you are close enough, then you will have the nomination and line up the unpledged delegates that you need. July is a long way away. I dont think they want to fight for the next three months. You have to think about the general election and coming together as a party. Never a dull moment. So, panel, thank you so much for being here. Brand new democrat polls also just released. Right . Secretary Hillary Clinton and senator Bernie Sanders locked in a very tight race among likely democratic voters in california. Secretary clinton leads 48 to senator sanders 46 . Indiana among likely democratic voters. Secretary clinton leads 46 to senator sanders 42 . What are your thoughts about
this . Lets go dem for a second. Sure. Well, you know, sanders has overperformed, i think, throughout this race. But there is really no way, no path forward i can see in which he claims the nomination. Not only because he is not going to be able to take the pledged delegates to the convention but also because of super delegates. I just dont see any mathematical likelihood of his being able to claim it. Philip, there is a lot of people very frustrated by this that are really passionate bernard supports. He is giving the presumptive nominee a run for her money. Outperforming her in so many Fund Raising Efforts as well. Exactly right. It has some irony to it. Look, he has won the battle. Is he going to win. Which is that he pulled Hillary Clinton to the left. He got his name out there. He got his issues out there more importantly. He built up a huge base of support that now he can make deals with Hillary Clinton to figure out what it takes in order for him to do an endorsement. He is not going to win the pledged delegate count
unless something catastrophic happens to