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FOXNEWSW On The Record With Greta Van Susteren May 20, 2016

Flight took off. Greg . Kimberly, the terminal behind me charles degal airport is where that flight left from a little wit more than 24 hours ago. But now tonight, there are more questions about the deadly mystery of egypt air 804. First of all, the airline is now saying this just came across in the past couple of hours, that the doe bree found in the mediterranean off of the coast of egypt is not necessarily from their stricken plane. There is a massive hunt in the waters in the mediterranean to try to come up with any debris, any signs of the plane. They are also saying, according to in multiple intelligence sources here in the United States and elsewhere, fox news can say that no blast was senile, no infrared signal was seen via the satellite. It was thought that perhaps a bomb on board could have brought the plane down, descended into deadly spiral into the mediterranean so far no big sign of problems on that plane. Its this kind of confusion, its this kind of horror, kimberly that is facing the families of the victims. They were here at this airport in paris, also in cairo, where the plane was heading. Some even went from here to cairo on yet another egypt air flight to try to get closer, somehow, to their loved ones. Closer to some kind of answers to this vast, vast mystery. French president Francois Hollande went on television today to address the people. He tried to answer some of the questions. He was the first top leader to say, indeed, after three and a half hours in flight the plane went down, crashed. And he was the first major leader to raise the specter that terrorism was, in fact, behind this planes crash. Because of that, according to multiple reports, there are investigations into those who had any kind of contact with the plane before it left this airport 24 hours ago. That is pagliano damage handlers, cleaners, mechanics, if there was terrorism, then perhaps a bomb was planted. Perhaps there was some kind of tampering done to that plane. But, again, again, more than a day after the takeoff from this airport, in just about 24 hours since the crash, there are still a lot of questions and no hard, fixed answer whether it was terrorism or just some tragic horrible malfunction of this aircraft. This air bus 8320 over the mediterranean. We will bring you coverage of this. As we said the egypt air flight was heading to cairo when it went down. Grn reporter is in cairo with the very latest. Amena . The egyptian authorities have yet to issue any official statements about what happened with this plane. They have made it very clear that until this point the plane is still considered missing and that the that they do not recognize the debris found in the mediterranean just a couple of hours ago that this is from the missing flight. Also, egyptian Civil Aviation minister has urged the media not to speculate and to wait for official results. He has, however, also said at this point nothing is ruled out, including a terrorist attack on the plane. He even went as far as saying a terrorist attack at this point is more likely than a crash. He based the statement on his own experience and bits and pieces of information he has received so far. Egyptian president has also held emergency meeting late thursday night to discuss the latest developments with the Civil Aviation minister and committee in charge of the search. This comes among big dispatch of military fighters that egypt has dispatched to the area where the last seen on the radar. Okay. Take us through what some of the passengers families, how they are reacting to what looks like a highly suspicious terrorist attack, amena. Egyptian families have gathered at cairo airports where a couple hours ago there was briefing by authorities. Many people described this briefing on social media as being very chaotic. There havent been official pictures yet. However, reports are coming in from the airports that are seeing that families are tense and they are out for answers which authors and the Flight Company egypt air had been reluctant to answer. Its also worth noting that the family has been granted access to stayed in the airports but sort of the access for the media has been hindered in a way. Is there concern tonight about the consequences of another negative incident happening here in egypt in terms of its impact specially with people traveling there and tourism . Egyptians are very shocked and disappointed at this event. Third big event with a negative connotation that egypt has been involved in over this past year. Many believe this is another tailing in terms of neck sector. Its believed to have crashed as a result of a terror act. Everyone is of course holding their breath to see what will happen with this situation and how this will have an effect on the countrys economy and already ailing tourism sector. Indeed, amena, thank you for that important update. Earlier today officials said they found wreckage from the crash floating near greek island. Now the Vice President of egypt air says that wreckage does not belong to their plane. Nikkos. Kimberly, hi. Greek senior official just a while ago he spoke and said debris found so far does not belong to flight 80 will. Now, the material close to does not match the colors of the plane blue and white. The objects of the plane found includes the life jackets and plastic material. Thought it could be debris from the last aircrafts. Soon the story was pis twisted around, so its still a big mystery here. As far as the search gross, teams working together with special units on the search and recovery mission. Defense minister said press conference that the plane made 90degree turn left and then dropped from 37,000 feet to 15,000 feet before losing contact with greek airspace, authorities around 10 miles inside the egyptian airspace. The last contact was at 2 30 a. M. Local time and almost 24 hours ago. Really unbelievable. Great point you make. 24 hours now in the aftermath. Expected to be the work of terrorism. No group taking any responsibility or laying claim to the fact of terrorism nikkos. Is there perhaps a strong working theory at this time other than obviously a catastrophic incident occurred . Here, the media, the only thing that they talk about is some terrorist attack. This is the main story here in greece. But, actually, we dont know anything and what seems to be the most important thick is the search and recovery action that is taking place. This is the most important and i hope the greek and egyptian authorities Work Together well at this. Most certainly, thank you for that excellent update. Nikos, angelidis. You heard how the air bus made sudden turns before it plunged into the sea. What could have been going on inside the cockpit. Former pilot rick, is live in phoenix, gentlemen, thank you for joining me today. A lot of weapons really remain unappeared. 24 hours in the aftermath of this incident, catastrophic tragedy that occurred and 66 souls feared dead. Tell me what you evidence so far trajectory of the flight path and the bits of information we have at this point. Thank you, kimberly, i want to preface this first sigh baying this is a nonu. S. Registered airline. Its a foreign airline. Its not u. S. Airline. I want penal to keep flying u. S. Airlines this summer around keep their travel plans intact. Having said that im looking at things and first i thought it could have been a terrorism blot but i dont know now. Im trying to figure out radar images what they came up with. Airasia and air france. There were things that happened that the pilots didnt realize what they were doing at that point and had to fly the air plane. Once they get down from the top level of automation and start losing their protections, then certain things can happen. If people arent familiar with that and cant fly a basic airplane which the air bus is not a simple airplane, they could get themselves in some trouble. Im torn between what it could be at this point. You are going to hedge it. Thats based on the radar images and radar data we have been able to receive at this hour. Rick, do you share some of the concerns, the hesitation to call it terrorism based on what you are seeing as a pilot that has flown these type of planes . Well, there is so many different variables of what could have taken place in this case. Something catastrophic happened at 37,000 feet. That left turn off the airway is what the pilot probably would have done if he had an emergency. Lets say the left engine failed and he made a hard right turn due to the good engine on the right side pushing him over that way, and lets say that engine came apart and took out some of the controlling surfaces in the tail, that could crattle a problem for him as far as being able to fly the airplane manually if he had to. How do you explain then the sharp turn to the right after the turn to the left . Well, lets say thats when engine came apart. Parts started flying off the engine. It took out the tail. Where all the controls in the tail are around he lost control of the airplane and the plane made a hard left or hard right. Im not saying this is what happened. What im saying is there are variables. Until they get the data poxes, the black boxes, the voice recorder, nobody is going to truly know until they get to the wreckage. It looks like everybody is coming together in a very great manner that everybody, you know, all the countries are coming together to search for this plane. Im sure they will find if. Because thats a veryiy ocean way. And plight pattern. I wouldnt any drug gling on the fight collect either. Very sketchy security past. They just got hijacked recently. I would not rule out that somebody entered the cockpit and there was a struggle over controls at that point either. And intentional ditching in the ocean of that airplane because im trying to figure out why they havent even found a scrap yet. A napkin, a life vest, a cup, anything at this point after all these ships and planes were log out in the mediterranean all day today. Thats a great point. Puft it in there in the water like that is going to make it more problematic to be able to determine forensics and data of what happened. Thats why there are so many ministries about what went on. Real click, t disjt does this telling you anything . Irknow you have been asking that. So many other air cavity incidents, to. We have got to aviate, navigate and communicate. Through that level of things that people have to do on the flight deck, thats going to be the last thick thats going to be done. At that point, they might have just run out of time. So we just dont know at this point. We cant really speculate entirely until we do find the black boxes and specifically the voice recorder. Thats going to give so ministry more clues and make it apparent of what happened . Hopefully they would be able to pick that up and give us the essential clows. No oirs terrorist group has laid claim. Kimberly . Yes, go ahead. Im sorry. I was going to say they had three sky marshals on board that airplane. I would really like to see them find out who they were, where they are coming from and why there are were three. Normally there is two. And if there were three sky marshals on board i doubt there was a breach of that cockpit. Very interesting. That is something that stands out in terms of the number that they had on there for security. General, what a pleasure. Thank you for your expertise and joining us this evening. Youre welcome. Youre welcome. U. S. Is now helping out in the crash investigation. The u. S. Navy and the ntsb are assisting in any way they can. Fox news chief intelligence correspondent Catherine Herridge has more on americas role in the investigation. The white house was asked this afternoon about reports that a bomb is a working theory. Im not aware of any sort of intelligence assessment that has ruled anything out. Im also not aware of n. I. V. Intelligence assessment that has ruled anything in at this point. We are still quite early in this investigation. The u. S. Is sharing all intelligence with the flight 084. Signals intelligence, as far as threat data held by the National Counter Terrorism Center the nations hub for threat analysis. Once a passenger manifest is shared with the u. S. , the names will be run against watch lists to determine whether anyone had ties to known terrorist groups. A Counter Terrorism source who tracks al qaeda and for the government 72 hours of social meet i cant columbus blue jacketter. New information in slight of 204. The then who passenger jet last october by isis. The threat indicators are very likely they were dealing once again with the scharm el sheikh type of attack, an Insider Threat where a bomb could have been placed on that aircraft. Either one using a timing device that would have started out of cairo or whether it was luggage fit in the cargo hole. Fox news is told no changes are expect to do Airline Security here at home for the time being. It remains at a high level following the downing of that russian jet last year. Kimberly . And the big fear right now and big unanswered question is was this terrorism . Officials in several countries now say the signs point to an act of terror. Catherine gorka goes on the record with us tonight. Thank you for joining us, catherine. Happy to be here. Okay. So im sure you were able to listen to the program here perhaps. The experts that were on. Right now, what is your, woulding theory based on the information and intelligence we have been able to gather . I think the comments from the pilots were very interesting and they do raise a lot of questions about the possibility of mechanical failure. But at the same time, i do think its interesting that a week ago the director of french intelligence warned that they expected more attacks against france. At the same time, there was a flurry of propaganda activity from isis, from other isis affiliates in support of its affiliate in the sinai in so there are very strong signs that something was coming down the pike. Well, and you look at the opportunity and terrorism taking the path of least resistance and opportunity, as we mentioned earlier on the program. Egypt has had several incidents in the past getting hit hard in terms of acts of terrorism. Should would he be concerned that more isnt being done to thwart these type of things from an intelligencegathering perspective . Absolutely. And, you know, egypt is very cengetly a high target for isis but it also shows that there is a real vulnerability in airport security. You know, we have put so much emphasis on the passengers being a potential perpetrators of acts of violence but, you know, in this case if this was an act of terrorism. There may have been a breach. We are not doing enough there. Thats a great point because right now what they are doing at this hour is they are going after the fact to be able to determine, in fact, any employees, they are going through the airport and determining who anybody baggage handler somebody with access to the airplane, mechanic academics anything like that who can. That can take same to be able to do enel no group has laid claim to this. Nothing in the harasser haute of sois sis. Aqap also known to target you was acts of terrorism. I think thats an excellent point. The fact that no one has claimed credit for it also really cast doubt on the fact that this would be an act of terrorism. I think thats a great point. Yeah. So we will see. Interesting that there was three air marshals on board when normally there are two. I think thats something thats going to be important to determine why, who those individuals were, because as the pilot said whether or not there was a breach to the cockpit, something from within the plane is going to be important as well if there was a struggle versus an explosive device and such. Thats right. All right. Catherine, thank you so much for joining us tonight. And ahead, continuing coverage of egypt air flight 804, former mtsb investigator is here next to talk about the daunting task of recovering all the clues from the water. Stay with us. Breaking right now, investigators are desperately searching why a plane fell from the sky and crashed into the Mediterranean Sea. 66 people were on board when the plane swerved sharply and began losing altitude then the air bus jet dropped off radar. What clues will investigators look at to determine the cause. Keith maguire goes on the record with us tonight. Keith, a lot of different theories. If you listened earlier, we had some pilots on who have actually operated, piloted this exact same type of aircraft the a 320. Obviously, something catastrophic occurred. What clues are they looking at tonight to give the answers . Therein is really not too many clues for them to look at tonight. I mean, at this point of the investigation, there is not a lot of evidence for people to examine. So,. What are they searching for . Well, first, they have to find the wreckage and the last i heard they hadnt even confirmed that they have to find the wreckage. Then they will start looking through cameras and video down on the ocean floor of whats there. They will recover that wreckage. Then the painstaking process of putting it back together again i have probably got literally thousands of pieces of wreckage. Its not an easy job. No and so certainly you want to try and decipher in terms of what forensic evidence you can recover. Obviously, voice recorders, things like that. We do have radar information thats come in. Is there anything significant at this point that stands out to you and what operating theories do you think are in play . You know, its interesting you asked that. Im teaching a class here at usc this week. And i actually took 804 into the class and say what do you think . Do you think happened . I was very pleased that the class said we dont know. We dont have enough information on that. Thats exactly the way we train new investigators to try to keep open mind. Develop all the facts and let those facts lead to you a logical conclusion. Okay. So what about this . The size of the debris field, does that tell investigators anything . Sure. The size of the debris field basically tells you where it broke up in flight as opposed to being intact. So if the debris field is scattered over a long area, thats more indicative that it broke up in flight at altitude. However, income the ocean like, this and whatever current you have may change that a bit. But the pieces that are going to sink down to the bottom, thats one of the things the investigators will look for. Okay. And if you were in charge of this investigation if you could get one piece of evidence that would be amongst the most compelling, what would it be . The first thing they are going to look for is the flight recorders. I mean, they are not the magic answer that some people think they are, but they are usually a great help. If you have got that cvr and that flight data recorder, thats a huge help. Thats one of the things you look for. If i were running the investigation, yes, thats one of the first

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