Do lewandowski. Greta is up next on the record. [explosion] threat from radical jihadiism has metastasized. This is a very dark moment in american history. We would caliphate. I would bomb the [bleep] out of them. Blow up the pipes. I would blow up every single inch. There would be nothing left. Americans now have to move from fear to resolve. We cannot continue to allow thousands upon thousands of people to pour into our country, many of whom have the same thought process as this savage killer. Our goal is not to deter or to detain isis but to
defeat and destroy isis. If we dont get tough, if we dont get smart and fast, were not going to have our country anymore. Welcome to an on the record special terror in america. Isis and election 2016. From the campaign trail to the debate stage, hot button issues like muslim ban to taking in refugees to closing the border have taken over this Campaign Season and just this week the vicious orlando massacre thrusting terror into the forefront of this 2016 campaign. Donald trump and secretary Hillary Clinton have wildly different approaches. And tonight we investigate both candidates and how he and she says they will destroy isis. Scared. Strategies could swing the entire election. We begin with former new york city mayor Rudy Giuliani. Good evening, mayor. Good evening, greta. Nice to talk to you. Mayor, this past week its been just awful in orlando. But it is certainly no
surprise. In 2014 in january, president obama said that isis was jv. Two and a half years later it has now metastasized all over the globe. Tell me, going into november, this election, tell me how a President Trump would differ in terms of handling this isis and what you predict a president Hillary Clinton would do. You couldnt have done worse than Hillary Clinton and barack obama. I mean, if i were donald, i would use that as my campaign slogan. I cant do worse than what they did. I mean, the reality is four or five years ago, there was an isis but it wasnt the organization it was today. When he said it was the jv, he was really talking about the isis of two or three years ago and the isis that he kind of inherited. He is the one that made it into a varsity Islamic Terrorist Organization by number of things not intervening when he should have. John mccain and Lindsey Graham are absolutely right. He, by doing that made it
possible for isis to metastasize. They were cancer already, but they metastasized under a failed Hillary Clinton, barack obama policy. Then his 12 threats to assad and his failure to take action after those 12 threats lost all credibility for the United States and i know islamic terrorism since 1973, greta, so i know what im talking about. And i have read most of their major works. And the only thing you can do to stop islamic extremist terrorism you have to be on offense. If you are on defense as we have been in the last three or four years, or as we were before september 11th, when we took the hit at the coal and didnt strike back, and we were hitting east africa and struck back but very meekly, when you do that you invite the kind of attacks we are getting now. I dont know if you realize it, but they really are beginning to expand exponentially. We have had four massive
attacks in less than a year. Right . Santa barbara, brussels, paris, and now this tragedy horrible attack. Its more than that philippines this week and isis affiliate beheaded a canadian, boko haram until isis. They are isis affiliate. In france. Police officer, and people are talking about gun control. I mean, so if they dont have a gun, they use a knife. They dont have a knife, they use a bomb. They have a bomb they use anthrax. They are going to use dirty bombs when iran starts to make Nuclear Material available to them if iran isnt already making Nuclear Material available to them. So, i mean, the relate is that weakness in the face of this kind of insane religious ideology only breeds more attack. All Hillary Clinton and barack obama have been from
the day they startside weak. Taking all of our troops out of iraq. Taking all of our troops out of afghanistan. Leaving nothing behind. Of course you arent going to find out about the development of isis. There was nobody there to tell you about it. I mean, you have to be dumb not to figure out why this was a terrible mistake. So, what would a President Trump do . Here is what i would advise him to do number one, is he absolutely right, you have got to face your enemy and call them what they are, its islamic extremist terrorism. That is the philosophy behind the attack that went on in orlando. And in this particular case, it was focused against a group of people that are considered enemies of fundamentalists extremist muslims, gay and lesbian people. We have seen them throw homosexual men off buildings. They have sent us pictures of it just to show us how much they hate people that are gay and lesbian. So that adds an extra dimension to it. But this is very similar to when they take a group of christians and chop their heads off. If you are a christian, you are infiddle, if you are a gay and lesbian, you are infiddle, if you are a jew, you are infiddle, if you are not, they are kind of fundamentalist muslim and a muslim. You are infiddle and they will chop your head he talks about a wall but look at the vicious killer in orlando, he got his inspiration over the internet. The internet isnt blocked by a wall, the ban should be a ban of muslims coming from countries in which there are serious threats to theUnited States and those people should only be allowed in if at all if there is a vetting process that the director of the fbi is comfortable with and james comey says he is not comfortable with the vetting process for people coming in from particularly syria in this particular case. But, mainly, you are asking me about eye isis. The approach has to be recognize who theyre and what theyre. We have to commit not just bombings, but we have to commit troops to wiping them out. We should have done it five years ago. We need to create a no fly zone in syria. We have got to push assad back and we have to take those refugees and put them in syria with a nofly zone protected by the american air force, the American Military and everybody else who wants to join us. Look, the president of france was willing to do this two or three years ago. I was so embarrassed when the president of france want to do take a more aggressive position with regard to islamic extremist terrorism than the president. The president of france uses the words islamic extremist terrorism. In fact, when the foreign minister of france used those words, the white house took it out of the tape we have something absurd going on here. We have a president committed to wiping out isis. No timetable like the stupidity of iraq and afghanistan. What war was fought on a timetable. Here is the timetable when they stop threatening us. I never dreamed i would be saying Something Like this because i have fought for the First Amendment in the courtroom. But one of the means that has supplied oxygen to isis for both recruitment and inspiration has been the internet. It has been facebook. Its been twitter. And, you know, these are private u. S. Not private, public u. S. Corporations. They started here is it time
for corporations to find out some way to shut down that inspiration and recruitment. A president reagan or bush or a president would have called them into the white house a couple years ago and said lets cut the we dont need to tell anybody, but lets stop what do you want to be . An instrument of murder . An instrument of killing . Honestly, thats not the root cause of the problem. The root cause of the problem is them and if they dont communicate through those means, they will communicate through other means. That just makes them more effective. We have to wipe out isis when Franklin Roosevelt declared war against naziism, he didnt put a timetable on the war, the war was when they were defeated completely when
abraham didnt say we will be in this war three years we are going to fight until this union is kept together. This president doesnt understand. In world war ii it was, you know, a number of nations that joined together to fight hitler. You know, it seems to me that to fight isis, it would be very helpful if we had a real leader a super power to sort, you know, to get other ones on board. President owe alan seems like is he quite willing and president cammeron, Prime Minister cammeron are quite willing. Who would be more likely to be respected by World Leaders to try to help lead that . A president clinton or President Trump . President trump, of course, she is the one who presided over the overthrow of qaddafi in libya. Look what we have in libya. She reset the relationship in russia. Look how bad the relationship with russia is since she reset the relationship. Look, Hillary Clinton has had her chance to conduct the Foreign Policy of the United States and she has been, i will say. Kindly a disaster. Every single thing she
touched as secretary of state, whether it was her policies or barack obamas, they are the same ended up worse. The middle east is worse. The relationship with russia are worse, Eastern Europe, im not even going to mention the South China Sea and the disaster its interesting to look at what she said this week, she said isis is not to be contained, its to be destroyed. Which i actually thought was a departure from. It was. I didnt know to what extent she had been a loyal sort of Civil Servant to president as secretary of state. I dont believe her. I dont believe that the Public Opinions polls turn. She voted for the war in iraq and then she was against the war in iraq and in favor of the timetable when Public Opinion turned. So, you know, she reset the relationship with russia and that was ridiculous thing to
do and got nothing in return. I once asked secretary gates what did you get in return for the reset with russia his answer was nada. Thats not negotiation thats capitulation. This woman is a complete slave to Public Opinion polls. So, if she were to engage in a war with isis and two years into that war, things got ugly, american Public Opinion changed, she would do what she did in the iraq war. She put a timetable on it we lee and we make things worse. We need a president like Abraham Lincoln who, when american Public Opinion was against the civil war in 1863, didnt put a timetable on it. When there were draft riots in new york and even though he was going to lose new york, possibly, as a state, and he needed it to get reelected, Abraham Lincoln didnt quit the civil war because we can only take three years of the war. Well, these people have come up with this insane notion
of putting a timetable on war. And the timetable gets determined by polls. The battle of the bulge we might have made a compromise with germany because it was so bad for us if we didnt have a president and general eisenhower who said the heck with that we will continue it and win this until we have complete, absolute victory. I do not trust her to do that for my country because she has proven to me time and time again she sun trustworthy and 65 of my fellow citizens in yours agree with me that she is untrustworthy. Mr. Trump has got some bad numbers too going in november. Im willing to give a guy a chance who hasnt already shown me that he has failed at it. Mr. Mayor, thank you for joining us. Thank you. And the debate is raging
now over what to call this terrorism. Is it radical islam or Something Else . President obama, donald trump and secretary clinton all use different words. Were in a war against radical islam but president obama wont even name the enemy. There is no magic to the phrase radical islam. Talking point. Not a strategy. Radical islam is antiwoman, antigay and antiamerican. Whats the problem with radical islam. Well, the problem is that that sounds like we are declaring war against a religion that to me is wrong. Unless you name the enemy you will never ever solve the problem. Threats on radical jihadiism has metastasized. [gunfire] to me radical jihadiism radical islamism i think they mean the same thing. Im happy to say either. Does the description matter . Former u. S. Spokesperson to the United Nations rick grenell goes on the record. Good evening, sir. Good to see you, greta. Rick, an awful lot of time is being spent arguing over what we should call these hateful, ugly, radical extremists, islamists. You know, is this energy misspent or is this important . I think its very important because it has policy implications. When you say that you dont want to offend islam, and so you are not going to put the word radical in front of it that means to make sure you are going out of your way to make sure you are not offending through the policy that really translates through every bureau at the state department it becomes a problem. Its why five years after or i should say four years after president obama said
he had would have kiss calculus changed and crosses red line and start using chemical and biological weapons. We know assad did that. The u. N. Confirmed it. The world confirmed it and, yet, president obama didnt want to do it because, what, he didnt want to offend faith by invading a country . He has made this political promise, i think Rudy Giuliani is right. He mass made the political promise before he has seen the intelligence political promise was i am not going to put any boots on the ground or send any troops. He hadnt seen the intelligence before he made that promise in iowa. As we look to 2016 and americans have to make a decision between donald trump and secretary Hillary Clinton, at what point, secretary clinton does say im looking at the quote right now june 13th. , she uses the word radical islamism. She says that to what extent does she get pinned with the statements of president obama or the strategy when she i mean, she does
appear to be making some break from him. She says isis should be destroyed and not contained. Is this going to poison her going into 2016 about many . She is going to have a problem with the base she only did it when she secured the nomination. Then she began to do the pivot. You have to hold people to their actual work. If you go back to the 10 years of secretary clinton and you read her book, which was her chance before she was running for president to lay out her policy strategies, there wasnt one policy strategy in her book that she differed from president obama on. So she is going to have a very hard time trying to say that she is different, even though she is trying to pivot. This is going to be a third perm for obama, and she is going to have to try to articulate where she differs but she is trapped by the fact that people are then going to say but when you had the power as secretary of state, you didnt do anything. You may articulate a difference now, but in action, you didnt do anything. All right. I think i dont know if you agree with me or not, but i think its important that we work with some World Leaders that we lead. That we are the super power. That we lead. The World Leaders seem to say more favorable things at least right now secretary clinton and not donald trump so much. Especially we have heard things out of the u. K. And about donald trump. How does that factor in to the vote in november . How the world looks at our leaders or what they think . Does that matter . Yeah, it does matter. And its a very important question. Look, i served at the u. N. For 8 years with 192 countries on a daily basis all around me. Can i tell you that the u. N. And the World Community deals with whatever government has put before them. They dont always like these governments, whether it be in after 442d infantry carks the middle east, asia or in the United States. They always deal with them. Thats the first point. The second point is countries want a weak United States. They dont want a strong one. Certain countries. But, there is a point now where i think countries like turkey, and israel, other nato countries, france. For instance, they want to see an american president that leads. They had watched for eight years. The french president has begged president obama to take action, whether it be in mali or the middle east. He hasnt done it Hillary Clinton was that spokesperson. So i think its really important that you calculate these other countries, you know, desire to have a weak opponent in certain instances so they are going to advocate for that one. Rick, i have got to go. Thank you very much for joining us. Thanks, greta. And why are the president and his cia director saying Different Things about isis . Shouldnt that be on the same page . Does it make you nervous . How much risks are we in . Or on the record special continues next. Take on the unexpected with a car that could stop for you. Nissan safety shield technologies, available in the altima, sentra and maxima. Mobility is very important to me. Thats why i use e trade mobile. Its on all my mobile devices, so it suits my mobile lifestyle. And it keeps my investments fully mobile. Even when im on the move. Sign up at etrade. Com and get up to six hundred dollars. mamost of the show. We missed woman and theres no way to restart it. jon bon jovi with dire