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FOXNEWSW On The Record With Greta Van Susteren July 16, 2016

This coup. Now, for the latest details out of turkey, lets bring in kitty logan, whos reporting for us from our london bureau. Kitty . Yes, good morning. Well, the turkey government says it has brought its military headquarters back under its own control but not all of those rebel soldiers yet. But it does warn that anyone who plotted against it will be brought to justice. It says for this act of treason as its described. Now, at first light, we saw the military, which has been it had taken to the streets in istanbul overnight surrendering to police, they were taken away and arrested and as you say, there have been over 750 arrests so far in this government crack down following this attempted coup. Amongst them, 29 colonels and five generals. And now soldiers loyal to the government are now in charge of the airport and those tv stations which you remember were taken off. Theyre back on and a new acting head of military has been appointed, but meanwhile, the chief of staff, who had been held hostage and has disappeared, has now been rescued. All of this came about, this turn around, because crowds appeared to answer a call from the turkish president which me hefacetime. He asked people, he asked his supporters to take to the streets in a show of strength to oppose this attempted coup, and thats exactly what they did. These supporters to the president were seen to be climbing on tanks, blocking the way of those Armored Vehicles and defying the military coup. It was a night of chaos with reports coming in throughout the night of explosions, fighter jets in the air, gunfire in the streets, but its not quite over yet. Fighting is continuing in places, and the rebel units would be faction which started this coup is urging people to stay off the streets. Incredibly interesting that if indeed erdogan succeeded in contacting his supporters through face titime, really doe underscore the value of the internet and technology and social media as instrumental in halting a coup to overthrow the government of turkey. Reporter its quite extraordinary. It was an almost bizarre moment. This is a man who doesnt like social media. He doesnt really like the press. He doesnt like modern communications. But yet he appeared on this private broadcast of cnn turkfak like a man in control at that point in time, but whats quite surprising and quite extraordinary is that his supporters did appear to listen to that message, because shortly afterwards, you saw them come out on the streets. Some of them were literally laying down on the street in front of the tanks, quite determined to stop this coup. And the response by the military to that, when they saw their own citizens confronting and trying to stop them laying their lives down in front of those tanks, you know, i mean, thats a pretty powerful scene and a powerful message as well. Reporter yes, it was quite extraordinary how quickly this turned around. It has played through the night in turkey, but really it has played out in a matter of hours, and there has been a degree of violence which we understand is ongoing, about 60 lives lost, so it certainly hasnt been without blood shet. But it hasnt been prolonged or drawn out and the military seemed to back down fairly quickly once they were confronted and the turkish president made it very clear, he came back to istanbul, appeared on television and said, im taking back control and thats exactly what he did. And i think what people are fearing now, particularly those people who took part in this attempted coup, is what is going to happen during this government crack down, because this is a president who wont tolerate this kind of action lightly. We have heard, of course, from president obama who was in close contact with secretary of state john kerry, they continue to support the democratically elected president erdogan and his government. Youre in lobden. Whats the sentiment there . Whats the new government there saying . Reporter yeah, well, this has played out overnight, but generally speaking, most governments around the world have been in support of the current turkish government because it is a democratically elected leadership, and even the turkish opposition, strangely enough, came out in support, because i dont think anybody here even in the uk or europe or elsewhere in the world wants to see an unstable turkey. Turkey is an important partner for europe. Turkeys also a part of nato, and critically, its neighboring syria, and i dont think anybody wants to see that region destabilizing further, so the unanimous viewpoint has been, throughout the night, from the uk and elsewhere, is that this coup was not a good thing and i think theres a sense of relief that it does appear to have failed. But of course there are questions now about what happens next. Sort of the sentiment of erdogan may not be good but hes the best weve got and considering the alternative, you never know what may happen. Kitty logan live in london with the latest. Kitty, thank you so much. Well, turkey is an ally of the United States, especially in the fight against isis. Joining us now on the phone is Lieutenant Colonel who is retired from the u. S. Army special forces. Colonel is no stranger to the middle east. Now, colonel assuming that this coup has in fact failed as reported will we see any changes in turkeys relationship with the u. S. . I dont anticipate, patricia, changes with the United States. Certainly changes within his own country as he consolidates power, purges parts of his military, and cracks down. But i dont believe well see significant changes with the military relationship with the u. S. Or his provision of facing tubts for the coalition and the fight against isis. And if this is something that has been brewing, it seems to me that this could just be the start of things that turkey and erdogan have to deal with. Certainly. And as weve said before, we can probably anticipate things are going to get real rough for certain groups inside of turkey. This may be a time for him to crack down harder on the pkk as he goes after all threats to the nation, not just the coup plotters within his own military, but kurdish rebels, the pkk, isis. Conversely, im also concerned that isis and the pkk will strike now during this period of government instability when theyre focused on the coup itself. This would be a time for asymmetric attacks against the government, and i wouldnt be surprised if in the days or even hours ahead, we see terrorist attacks from within organizations inside turkey, pkk and isis, specifically. You know, and over the last four years, they have really been trying to absorb over two million refugees that have flooded their country from syria. What kind of impact must that be having . Well, theres a triage going to be taking place within the country. Having a country is probably the first priority. The refugees will suffer because resources will be dedicated towards rebuilding the government, confirming and consolidating power. I do anticipate refugee support within the country will suffer just for the mere fact that resources will need to be directed at rehabilitating and restoring government itself within turkey. Now, were not really a hundred percent sure yet exactly how this is all unfolding. I mean, president erdogan could be saying that the coup has been unsuccessful and that hes in charge, but yet other reports are saying that the military is saying that they are in charge. We cant anticipate koo plotters and members of the coup will engage and fight and it will take a while for them to finally route out. And at all of that is unfolding in turkey, what does that do to turkeys contribution in the war against terror . Well, i anticipate tonight, were burning up the Military Lines in turkey confirming that theres going to be no change in the status of our forces. Theres no change to the basing rights, theres no change to flights even. Were going to get everything continue as it is because everything that we have there is southern focused, focused on syria, focused on iraq. But i do believe our government at all levels are coordinating with their counterparts in turkey to assure and ensure that our fight against isis will be undeterred because of the coup. Will turkeys contribution to the war against terror retract because of this, or could it conceivably expand . It could conceivably expand. They have a huge military and as i said a few minutes ago, if theyre struck from within again during this period of instability, we could see the president really taking the gloves off like hes never done before, both to cleanse his own government and to go after the separatist groups and the terrorists within his own country. Ive actually reached out to authorities in afghanistan also to see if theres any change to the status of the Turkey Mission in afghanistan right now, over 500 troops in kabul. Theyre responsible for the security at the International Airports and that would really be impactful on the mission in afghanistan right now if the turks just stay in their barracks because we dont know what our orders are. Our best case is the turks in kabul continue to report to duty and continue to do their mission according to the mission we have going on. Has turkey been a committed member of nato fulfilling its obligation . They are one of the to be five contributors now. Theyve been doing their part and as previous guests have said, all the way back to the korean war, theyve been doing their part, so they are a good ally when it comes to fighting against forces outside their own country, shoulder to shoulder with nato. Now, colonel, people have said that, though, turkey has been playing both sides of the fence for both the good guys and the bad guys, if you will. I know that thats a fine balance that we as the United States have to deal with to be able to have their help. But how long can a country and a president like erdogan claim both sides of the fence like that . I think, for a long time. We here in the United States, u. S. , we really cant conceive, as americans, the complexities of that part of the world and what leaders in those countries have to do every day and the decisions that they have to make every day. A meeting one hour with the good guys and then in the waiting room are the bad guys waiting to have a meeting right after that. Thats how they keep their countries together. Thats how they stay in power. Theyre incredibly adept politicians and leaders in that part of the world, and as weve seen, they sometimes exceed our capabilities in terms of diplomacy and politics in those parts of the world. Now you had mentioned earlier that you wouldnt be surprised if some terror attacks took place at this very delicate time. Im sure that turkeys president is thinking the same thing. What do you think is going to be their next move to possibly try to counteract that . Well, now that theyve recovered the chief of staff and military leaders, i believe the president is going to really be seriously talking to his military leaders who he is sure werent part of the coup and preparing them to protect against, deter, and actually fight against internal attacks. As was said before, the special forces command in turkey did not support the coup, so right there, the president has the special operations forces, probably best suited to fight an asymmetric enemy within turkey to be prepared to go after pkk or isis terrorists starting to emerge as they show themselves during this time of instability in the country. And colonel, erdogan has to worry, does he not, about his own safety, and he has to ensure that he is surrounded by absolute loyalists who can protect him, personally, from any attempt on his life because typically, you know, following coups, that sort of thing happens. Boy, gregg, you said it. Especially in that part of the world, from my experience in afghanistan and iraq, ive come to learn that assassination is a form of politics in that part of the world, as brutal as it sounds. There are people that will seek to continue to take him out, and as weve seen throughout history, strong men, when threatened, really have to watch out after either a coup attempt or an assassination attempt and it doesnt go well for enemies within that country. Im also concerned about him over purging his military. He is really going to have to find out who he can trust, but history has shown that when a leader decides to purge his military because he cant trust most of them, he really weakens his military, and many people attribute the overrun of the Iraqi Military by isis a few years ago to the Prime Ministers purge of some of his best officers within his army because he thought that they were too close to the u. S. Or wouldnt follow his key and specific guidance. Now, he has done this already in the past, has he not, purged his military already at other times . Yes, many of the guests have talked about that already, and i think were going to see it in other ways coming. Im sure were concerned with nato as well for him, as i said, not over purging his military. Leave a capable leadership in place so that you can continue to do your missions on behalf of nato and within your own country. Its a delicate balance that none of us on the outside can really do other than those people inside turkey and him specifically. Colonel, its interesting that president erdogan did not return to the Nations Capital of ankara but instead he went to istanbul. What do you make of that . Well, he knows his country best, and i know with communications technology, he probably was quite certain that that airfield was secure, secured by his own people and his own loyalists. And he put down to it was a wise move to put down in his own country. As we heard, earlier reports of seeking asylum in germany, that doesnt go well for a leader that leaves the country and tries to come back when the dust is clear. I think it was a wise move on his part and im sure he was in touch with forces on the ground, perhaps his special forces, that were securing the airfield for him. I also want to get your reaction. Its also his decision to do something he doesnt normally like to do and that is to employ social media. He went on face time in a private broadcast out to his supporters and as our kitty logan was reporting from london, those supporters began to mass against the military coup leaders, literally putting themselves in front of tanks and in some instances, helped stop the coup. Whats your reaction to that . Brilliant is the word that comes to mind, and i dont know if thats the right one now, but heres a guy, and as he said, doesnt like social media, but when it came down to survival and requirement, he used a tool that he has tried to suppress before, and its interesting, like i said, heres a guy that plays both sides of the fence, and he used something that hes tried to suppress in the past. What an irony that the turkish president used social media to get the word out. But it was quite effective, and perhaps thats why he is he used it, because he knows hes suppressed it in the past for its effectiveness. Now hes turned it around and used the other edge of that sword and wielded it to his benefit. And simultaneously, its interesting that social media sites, major ones, facebook as well as twitter, were suddenly shut down for periods of time. Its a little bit unclear if they still are shut down or up and running. But this is this is a man who shrewdly employed social media, something that he is anathema to his conduct in the past. Colonel, thank you so much for being with us. We appreciate it. Really appreciate you having me. Thanks again. Thank you. Turkeys president insisting that he is still at the helm following what seems to have been a failed military coup. Well bring you ongoing coverage throughout the night. Stick with us right here on the fox news channel. Coming up in just a couple of minutes,were going to be talking to the former israeli ambassador to the united nations. Well get his insight. To do one thing another. Only at t has the network, people, and partners to help companies be. Local global. Open secure. Because no one knows like at t. For the region as a whole. Dan gillerman joining us right now. Thank you. Whats your reaction to these fast moving events . Were certainly experiencing a very, very democratic event ranging from the horrific terror attack in nice and now to this coup attack in turkey and all of these things have a very direct impact on our region and israel. We were watching the events unfold in turkey, it is indeed a country where the army has a very special role to democracy and has been a feeling it has taken away from democracy towards and which the army and the secular part of turkey has really resented. I think that this coup damaged him who was perceived as a strong leader. I think also a very big question is what happens to the army . Because the army truly is the strongest faction in tour kurke you dont want to see the army disintegrating. This coup was illegitimate the head of the army was taken to the hospital, looses a lot of but well have to wait and see what happens to our leadership whether it is still uncontested. Weve seen over the years a situation where theres a real fight for supremacy and leadership over the arab world, over the muslim world has been between two countries or not even arab and thats turkey and iran, and i think we and all peace loving people in the region would like to see turkey prevail over iran and well have to wait and see whether this coup attempt has actually damaged that leeadership. For israel who has signed a pack and agreement with turkey over several years of tension this is a very Significant Movement because we are in the process of renewing our relationship. It could play a constructive role in egypt in maybe bringing the in Muslim States into a more conciliatory and pragmatic relationship with israel so this has consequences far beyond turkey, it is part of nato, part of europe, part of the european country, so we have to watch this very carefully an hope that turkey steady lizlizes because unrest in turkey especially with the Syrian Crisis and refugee flow could be very harmful to europe and the rest of the world. We need a strong and stable turkey and not one suffering between coup attempts and regime changes. This is patricia shatark, wh go through with it at this time . There has been a lot of dissatisfaction among the democratic parties and among the armies with taking turkey to the extreme, making turkey which traditionally has always been muslim very Democratic Society to become a more radical islamic society. And theres been a lot of resentment about that. Theres still a lot of respect for the founder of the new turkish republic, who vow was to keep it democratic and have the army in charge of guarding democracy and the president has been very pragmatic leader, he has put many journalists in jail, he has practically disba

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