To have lou on the couch is a bonus. Is the baby here yet . Not yet. Early january. You look great. You do. Today at the white house, its all ferguson. President Obama Meeting with his cabinet, civil rights leaders and Law Enforcement officials to discuss the unrest in the Missouri Town one week after a grand jury decided not to indict officer Darren Wilson in the shooting death of Michael Brown and two days after officer wilson resigned from the force, his attorneys saying threats were made against him and his colleagues. This as protests, again, flared up in ferguson and across the country over the weekend after we saw a lull on thanksgiving day and for the third day in the nations capital, protestors blocking traffic on a busy d. C. Freeway. All right. So today, lou, president obama is going to host civil rights leaders. He wants to get into a couple of different issues, one of them hes going to review federal programs that provide military equipment to Certain Police forces. Do you think this is a good idea that president obama continue to have these discussions about ferguson . Help or hurt . I dont know what his purpose is as far as the National Interests. I think the president has been mute on this for so long and occasionally, sort of parachuting into the conversation, the National Conversation with unhelpful remarks. To focus at the outset on whether or not the Police Departments around country, Law Enforcement are using too much military socalled equipment sort of ignores the fact that 58,000 Law Enforcement officers a year are accosted and 15,000 of them injured, over 100 killed every year in the line of duty. Exactly what is the president s purpose . Its to me confounding. When president obama stepped foot in the east room the evening of the announcement that the grand jury wouldnt indict, my first thought is this is not a local issue that the president should be speaking about and it does seem as lou points out, when the president injects himself like he did the first time, it only made things a lot worse so i think a lot of people are wondering, whats the point of having federal intervention in a local issue . A lot of people dont want the feds. They can handle it locally. The only thing is if the officers are calling for more equipment and they need that in order to keep the communities safe at a federal level, then im all for that, spending my federal tax dollars on keeping our officers and our community safe. Something has to be done. We were reporting this morning that a man was killed, an innocent man was killed by four guys with hammers in st. Louis. What has happened to our country . Its just all of this unrest is getting out of hand and something has to be done. The mayor of ferguson appears to be handling this at a local level with some of the decisions that he has announced. Looking at the black majority population in ferguson, 21,000, and its mostly white work force, hes looking to recruit more minority officers, a specific effort to recruit more minority officers and offer police incentives to live in ferguson. I found this absolutely astounding. I mean, that hes making a conscious decision to administrator minori to add m minority to the police force. In so many jurisdictions, theres a requirement that Law Enforcement and First Responders live in the communities they are employed by. I think its a terrific i mean, there are exceptions to this, one is new york city thats too expensive and manhattan for those folks to be i mean, its a terrible thing but its the reality. There are exceptions. But if you dont feel in ferguson safe enough to live in the community and cant make a contribution, then you shouldnt be carrying a badge. You shouldnt be involved in First Responder work in my opinion. Youve got to be building a community. Youve got to be helping, protecting and preserving. How about building . One cop who will not be protecting citizens in ferguson anymore is Darren Wilson. He resigned. Hell not get severance or any benefits and he did so because of threats that were being lobbed at him and his colleagues so his life and his career is seeming seemingly over. St. Louis rams, a couple of players over the weekend, we had footage coming on to the fields with the handsup, dont shoot after Michael Brown, there they are, before the game this weekend and the st. Louis police officers, they would like an apology for that. They didnt think it was appropriate for the five players to do that and theyre seeking punishment. Now that the evidence is in, and officer wilsons account has been verified by evidence as well as eyewitness testimony that led to the grand jury to conclude that no probable cause existed, it is unthinkable the home town athletes would so publicly perpetuate a nar nar afternoon over and over again. Thats how people decided who was innocent and who was guilty, who was the victim and who was the perpetrator and by doing this now, it makes us question, are they not following the case . Are they not aware thats not what happened . Thats not the reality . And all of those young people that are now watching those players that idolize them, are they learning from them thats the story even though the evidence doesnt support that . These players are enormously powerful in terms of the influence, in terms of viewers to take something from what theyre doing and they hold a huge responsibility. I think that was hugely irresponsible and highly disrespectful for the officers trying to do their job and keep it safe this is where it gets hairy. The nfl begged for the Police Offers to come and protect the rams players, to protect the fans, to make football safe for those players to go out and do their jobs and then the players come out with hands up and its a splap in the face to the police officers. So thats why they want an apology. There is a question, why in the world did the rams not take steps to punish these and rebuke these players . Its freedom of speech, though. Its not freedom of speech when theyre working for the nfl. Now its more than that. When five players put that in your face, you know, the fans are going to react. Now, if the nfl wants the fans reacting as well as the players, this is the perfect way to do it. They should have acted. Rudy giuliani has advice for attorney general eric holder as he weighs a response to the Ferguson Police shooting. Dont make a federal case out of it. The former new york city mayor explaining on Fox News Sunday why the case against officer wilson should not have been brought before a local grand jury to begin with. And saying that the feds should not make the same mistake. Having read the transcripts now of the grnd jury, f. B. I. Interviews and all of that and having been a prosecutor for 13 years, i dont see how this case normally would even have been brought to a grand jury. This is the kind of case had it not been had the racial yoefr overtones and National Publicity that a prosecutor would have come to the conclusion theres not enough evidence to present to the grand jury. All right, sandra. Rudy giuliani, former federal prosecutor and he said, look. This shouldnt even have gone to a grand jury, let alone have now action on a federal level with eric holder contemplating what to do as his role as its a reasonable point to be making and i have to respect his opinion on that. But when he doesnt say that had there not been the racial overtones that a prosecute would have deemed not enough evidence, thats an obvious statement based on what we know today and brought forth. Its a reasonable point. I think were at a point as a nation now where weve descended so far. Its getting so an american citizen cant walk into a Convenience Store and punch out a clerk and then wack down the street and punch out a police officer. When we get to that level, what is going to happen to the personal freedom . Why is everybody taking this case as if it was about an 18yearold saint who had suddenly descended upon us . This is one of the biggest miscmis con miscon constructions. Another thing that Rudy Giuliani said was look. At a local level, the grand jury did not indict. What do you think will happen on a federal level . Why would you decide to pursue this at a federal level . If he does, what if they come up with a different decision . Its all the same evidence. I dont think they can come up with a different decision. Theres no evidence to back tup. Theres absolutely no reason for this to go to a federal level at all. All the evidence points to the decision that was decided right now and whats the message to Law Enforcement . Even if youre found innocent, were still going to search, search really hard to try to make you into the bad guy even if all the evidence found and all the eyewitness reports point to the fact that was an act of self defense . I dont think the evidence supports it. Im glad there was a grand jury. Now we have an opportunity to say, trust the system. The facts are the facts. They were presented to the jury. They came up with a conclusion and we have to trust it. Now people are complaining saying there was too much evidence in front of the grand jury. They were supposed to cherry pick what evidence was put in front of them z. Two points. One is the department of justice is the Obama Department of justice. It is the Political Action arm of this administration. No more, no less. And secondly, that jury was impanelled in july. Well over a month before the incident at which Michael Brown was shot by the police officer, Darren Wilson. Anyone who wants to go beyond the physical evidence here, have at it. The physical evidence is conclusive. And you know a grand jury can indict very easily so if they have a hard time doing it, you know it must have been hard and it would have been harder in trial to find a conviction. Now that president obama has announced a change in immigration policy allowing millions of Illegal Immigrants to stay in the United States, republicans are preparing a response. What we can expect as lawmakers return to capitol hill. Did you see . Rice breaking her silence about what she was thinking the night her husband knocked her out in a casino elevator. Why she didnt leave him and why she wants fans, yes, us, to give him a Second Chance. 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The house reportedly hoping to pass a bill by the end of the week but there are signs the g. O. P. Remains guided how to best respond to the president s overhaul. Republican senator suggesting the country has a long way to go. Im afraid the president s unilateral action is going to set us back. I believe what we should do is seal the border. The republicans and democrats have both failed on this issue for decades and one of the reasons why is i dont think weve stabilized the problem by taking credible steps to seal the border and then lets discuss the population that is legally present. I want to you advise the pren party. I think theyre worried about backlash, about everything they do. They dont want to seem like theyre overreacting but also dont want to seem like theyre doing nothing and get labelled the party of no solutions so what can they do here . Listen to the senator elect. I think part of the reason they have not been everybody keeps saying these poor, Illegal Immigrants. Theyre just acting in their interest, so say the democrats, the left. In fact, they have left them in limbo for 10 years now instead of acting. The fact is, tell us its right. Stabilize, secure the border and then begin with the issue how to deal with those illegally. Second part of that is to simply say, were not going to do this on some sort of fuzzy, warm basis. Well do it in the National Interest so people understand. There are rules that are going to be followed because if we dont do it the house has put forward four bills. Theyve reported the bills out to the house. The Republican Party need to take a lead on the issue. They do so by moving those bills through the house to the senate and letting the president of the United States, let the American People know where he stands. If he really wants to do something, hell sign the legislation the republicans produce. What about funding and lawsuits . Is that nonsense that paints the republicans in a bad light . Should they go the right that lou is discussing and do something positive and proactive opposed to trying to undo . I think youre hanging on that theres going to be a big push for republican candidates to push hard right on the many immigration issue rather than the broad based package everybody is talking about. Lou, specifically theres some ideas that have been thrown about that could pass both chambers with bipartisan support, some detailed have been to expand visas for high tech workers, streamline a guest worker program. You can do it tomorrow. So is that the way to go here rather than talking about this big package . Lets focus our reform . I think the great thing about the House Judiciary Committee approach, four bills that are incremental, taken piece by piece and put before the house. The regular rules of order applying, there will be public hearings. I would urge they build a national consensus, take the committee and various committees out all across the country and get the American People. Theres a responsibility here to lead but that means theres a responsibility to persuade and listen to voters and thats been missing from both the democratic and republican parties throughout. Why is immigration such a problem for republican snz seems as we approach 2016, every time they talk about immigration, they back themselves in a corner and then theres infighting that emerges. How can they create a policy and back that up with proper messaging so its a win for everyone . They all seem to agree on Border Security so focus on what they agree on and not let what happened with obamacare happen again. The Republican Party completely fractured, one saying defund the government, one saying they were all singing off different song sheets and president obama could say, see . They look unorganized. They have to get on the same message. They agree on Border Security. As lou points out after one of his favorite songs by the new kids on the block, step by step, i know you love new kids on the block. I didnt know that but i do now. Its great. Start with Border Security and then as you mentioned, guest worker programs. Theres a number of things that republicans do agree on. Foc