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FOXNEWSW Outnumbered December 19, 2014

Has found compelling evidence that someone helped north korea launch a cyber attack against sony pictures. Due to the sophisticated nature of the assault which forced sony to cancel the release of the comedy, theyre pointing to several north korean allies, all united in their hatred of america. And now the fbi releasing a statement saying the evidence does point to north korea, but it does not name any other countries. Our chief intelligence correspondent, catherine herridge, has been all over this. She joins us from washington. Catherine . Reporter well, thank you, andrea. We just received this statement from the fbi that says there is sufficient forensic evidence to conclude north korea was responsible for the cyber attack on sony, and while not exhaustive, three pieces of evidence are provided in the statement. Technical analysis of the data deleted in the attack, according to the fbi, has links to malware that north korea has used in the past. There were also similarities in code, encryption and data deletion methods. There was significant overlap between several ip or internet protocol addresses that were hard coded kind of like a dna into the malware which was consistent with north korea. And the sony incident bears striking similarities to a cyber attack last year against south korean banks and media outlets. This morning the Obama Administration is weighing its response to the cyber attack on sony, and a member of the House Homeland Security committee who oversees cyber investigations told fox friends that the u. S. Must find the right balance. One of the key things you have is a discussion of proportionality and the recognition that any kind of acts have the potential to escalate. And you also need to appreciate whats the motives behind a place like north korea, how much credibility do we give them in the world if we overreact . Reporter a source who was familiar with the discussions over the fbis statement told us this morning that it was by no means exhaustive in terms of the evidence that was being provided. Publicly identifying north korea, andrea, this is a real departure. We have not seen this in the past. The u. S. Government typically operates behind the scenes. Based on this statement, they say the gravity of the destruction which really amounted to dropping a bomb on the sony systems was such that the administration felt they needed to publicly blame north korea in this case. And well be watching the white house later today to hear the president s comments on this. Great reporting. Thank you, catherine. Reporter youre welcome. Meantime, president obama will hold his end of the year News Conference in the next hour. We may hear from him on the sony attack. But while the evidence is pointing to north korea and possibly some of its allies, the white house so far stopping short of blaming the rogue nation. Heres the white houses press secretary, josh earnest. This is something thats being treated as a Serious National Security matter. There is evidence to indicate that we have seen destructive activity with malicious intent that was initiated by a sophisticated actor. And it is being treated by those investigative agencies, both at the fbi and the department of justice, as seriously as you would expect. In the meantime, ambassador john bolton says the u. S. Is woefully unprepared to deal with cyber warfare, and its a blessing in disguise that hackers chose to target the Entertainment Industry rather than defense. I think we have simply not paid enough attention to the threat that the Cyber Attacks pose for the government, for our business community. If we can conclude it was north korea, we need to put them back on the list of state sponsors of terrorism, we need to put all the economic sanctions back in place. This regime never should have been let out of international sanctions, and i think were paying for it. Ambassador bolton also tells greta that the administration better not treat this as some kind of inconvenience, or americas enemies will conclude that they can hit us, and they can get away with it. All right, harris, there are so many angles to this story. Right. First, i want to go to you with the big news today which is the president coming out to give his last press conference of 2014 on perhaps one of the bigst news days that weve seen in a couple of weeks. Yeah. So ive been taking some notes. I know we have a few correspondents on this right now. You heard from catherine laying out why suddenly this has ratcheted up to become such a bigger story now, because there are potentially other countries involved in this, the president might come out and call this for what it is. Remember, the white house has not pointed a finger yet at north korea. By the fbi coming ott with its evidence out with its evidence, youll see the evidence come out in a statement or News Conference, and then the president will step up and make whatever it is. The other thing to watch for today, Adam Houseley is reporting on that surgery for prep search for perpetrators. Theres possibly a situation where youd have a sony insider, a compromised insider. And then those suspected other countries. We dont know whom. Chinas name has been mentioned, well have to see. You know, melissa, i want to get to you on the business angle of this. Theres a lot of money involved. You listen to ambassador bolton, my first thought was why was north korea ever taken off that state sponsor of terror list . How do you sanction a nationstate that has isolated itself from the entire world . Weve tried to hurt north korea. Im just not sure that sanctions are the way to go at this president ial press conference. I dont know how much more we can do. The country so isolated, and they have a leader who is totally impervious to his own peoples suffering. So as we continue to pile on and sort of isolate them, it doesnt seem like theres that much more we can do on that front. I always think money is the best way to go, but here im not sure how much we have left. I would also say on this idea of a search for a perpetrator, when i talk to ceos who are so afraid of being hacked, especially in our financial district, they talk about the fact that it almost always starts with an insider. Thats what its about, is its a compromised perp on the inside. Person on the inside. Thats where the threat really comes from. I think thats the takeaway for folks who are trying to deal with this, ceos who deal with their companies. And thats going to be the interesting piece here. Now were starting to hear there was perhaps somebody on the inside of sony that made this a possibility. And according to Adam Houseleys reporting, which harris referenced, it could have been a possible commuter of a in tokyo. Yee computer of a clayton, a lot of people dont know you are one of our tech experts here at fox news. So what are your thoughts on the complexity of this hacking . Because as catherine points out, this is much greater, the gravity of this is greater than weve ever seen before. Absolutely. To me, it speaks to how prickly this is. On the one hand, youre having the white house to say weve got to step up here in the United States, but this is a private company with computers and servers in tokyo. America, sony pictures, is a subsidiary of sony in california. So do you have the federal government watching computer servers in tokyo to make sure that some employee doesnt accidentally leave a usb drive in their computer . At what point does the federal government of the United States step in to protect the pipes that live in russia, mostly in europe . Google servers all throughout india, ace ya . How do you asia . How do you handle this . President obamas going to step up to the podium. I would love to hear him take a really hard line on this one and back i mean, as awful as the executives are at sonny and the emails that we saw, hes got to rally around the First Amendment here and show strength and show that we are not going to put up with this. Him showing strength i dont think a list of sanctions is the way to go. Is a huge question. This, to me, is a successful pearl harbor of the 21st century. And youre the tech guy. There should be secret hacker companies that protecting private well, theyre so easy been disses from these kinds of attacks. Theres so many easy ways for companies to protect themselves like hiding encryption keys, instead of storing it in one place, having multiple places. John mccain said like i said, its a successful pearl harbor to me. Unexpected, and now were saying we have no way to know this was coming . How can that be . Well, you know, what youre alluding to is how much bigger could this become if it werent just sony . The tools used in this show that whoever hacked sony had sumties to a cyber a similarities to a cyber attack last year. So potentially we could see this feather out. This could be like a practice. Right. I want to go to this because maybe weve been focused i dont mean we at fox as much as everybody else, because weve been covering the whole story maybe others have been focused on those emails. A major Hollywood Star is speaking out about the attack. George clooney says in an interview not a single celebrity or industry figure would sign a petition supporting sony. Everyone was too afraid of the consequences. And hes also blasting the media saying in an interview, quote the problem is that what happened was while all of this was going on, there was this huge news story that no one was really tracking. They were just enjoying the salacious stuff instead of saying, wait a minute, is this really north korea, and if it is, are we really going to bow to that . End quote. Im going to come to you first, melissa, on this. Is he right about this . I mean, he makes a really interesting point because he says that what they did was so clever, you know, they basically alienated sony from its friends by putting those emails out there. You have the heads of sony over in a corner already feeling ashamed, and then when they were attacked on the movie front, there was no one there wanting to back them up. I think sony has a huge opportunity right now to turn this pr disaster for themselves around, and i think they could even wipe away everything thats happened so far if they stood up and they released the film online, make a big gesture that says that were not going to bow to terrorists, were not going to bow to intimidation. Put it out there in a way that they deem safe, and they could look now, they could turn the story. I mean, we all know media spin. You could get out there and turn it in your direction. What else, what else exists out there . Thats the fear, i think, for sony which is that the attackers released a statement just a short time ago, 45 minutes ago, saying its a smart move that you didnt release this movie because you know what . If you did anything else, weve got more. And thats what sonys acting on, is fear. What i want to ask hollywood is where is the Democratic Party that they have supported so wholeheartedly . Where are they . Where are they now . They should be the ones saying release this film. The federal government right. Free speech advocates. And the threat against sony now so different than what they said. They said if you release the movie, were going to unleash a 9 11style attack, but theyre saying now theres more juicy stuff. Who cares . Well, maybe its just salacious. Is there something that sony would be trying to hide that might be criminal . We dont know because we dont know i dont know about salacious. When i think about salacious comment, i think, okay, so now we have sony executives that are more concerned with their own personal reputations which have already been destroyed. I think what the president needs to do today and i agree with melissas point big gesture. If i were him id say i just watched the movie, and i strongly encourage sony to release it. I just saw it, and were going to stand behind sony pictures, and we are not going to be bullied. Remember after 9 11 . We circled the wagons around the First Amendment, and we let other nations know were not going to stand for this. If we say anything else today, we are giving them a green light. Yeah. Theyre messing with our confidence. We need to have a viewing night in this country. They should release it, we should say everyone tonight sit down and watch the movie and all stand together. If the president s News Conference is on schedule, that would put us about an hour and 15 minutes away. Fox news will carry that News Conference, the very last one of the year by the president. We are anticipating dont know wholeheartedly, but anticipating that he will talk about this, sony hack attack and this new information from the fbi pointing to north korea. Will he call it cyber terrorism . What are the options on the table for the United States . We might find out more, so watch for that. A new report is out now on the secret Service Following a string of Security Breaches like this one. Remember . 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Get faster speeds or more savings, or well give you 150. Comcast business. Built for business. Welcome back to outnumbered. Serious problems found at the secret service, that is according to an inaccident possibles review independent panels review after a number of Security Breaches at the white house. The secret service is starved for leadership and is making recommendations including hiring a leader from the outside, employing more agents and building a more secure fence around the white house, one that is at least four feet higher with curves on the top [laughter] this after a man scaled the fence and ran far into the white house through an unlocked front door in september. Another man jumped the fence in october and kicked a guard dog before another dog stopped him. Then the agents tackled him. You guys are chuckling over here. Taste see, im going to start with you. Were laughing, bulling a bigger fence around the building a bigger fence around the white house how about we get a captain for the ship called america . Thats what we need. Or at least the secret service. Hes been so busy fiddling with the legislative and the judicial branch, hes not been leading the executive branch which is his. Didnt you say the fence they added, they added that going to the fence. No, they had this little plastic security ties, and they put it in but theyre blaming it remember, theres another fence were focused on, and thats on our southern border. But now theyre talking about the cia. This is his branch. Right. It falls on his head, the president s. And the report came out, the first thing on the list of the report was money. Right. Exactly what i was going to next. Money solves everything. As soon as theres a report, theres a price tag on the top of exactly how much we have to spend. Talking about adding more agents, which i looked on, you know, forbes says they make 75,000 100,000 on average, youre going to add a lot more guys, is that going to solve the problem . No, i dont think so. Look, i know were giggling about this, i dont think its very funny when someone breaks into the white house no, its very serious. We look ridiculous right now, that we dont have our act together, right . We have people storming the white house. If i were president obama, id be very, very upset. I dont agree with him on most of his policies, thats not a shock, but i dont want anything to happen to anybody at the white house. And, melissa, i really dont need to know they did this review, and they dont need to publish the findings to advertise again to the world that we are less secure than we think. We cant keep the white house safe, we cant secure our southern border, but you know when the white house stepped up to really keep people out, when they kept the world world war ii memorial isolated from the veterans during the sequester. I mean, if they want to keep people out of something, they can keep people out. I mean, this is, though, a group that has been plagued with disaster. You look back at the prostitution scandal back in colombia i dont know if i would call that disaster. No. Embarrassing . Thats a selfinflicted wound. Okay. Doesnt it symbolize a lack of leadership though . If you living in a if youre living in a climate where you think i think its more serious and dangerous than embarrassing. I think it makes us look vulnerable, and it makes it look like thats another place where somebody could

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