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England. It is cold. Been here since friday. Ran central bark on saturday. Was good. Forget yesterday and last night was brutal and obviously this morning. Were new englanders. We get it. Youre tough. Ran central park. That made us lame. I was in bed all day. I was eating bonbos. I doubt that. But we had a lot of people there. Glad you braced the snow to join Egypt Air Force targeting isis positions in libya. Retaliating after the extremists released a video showing 21 egyptian coptic christian hostages on a beach, lined up forced to the frowned and murdered. It is believed to be the largest documented mass execution by the terroists outside of syria and iraq, and, it is raising concerns, new concerns, that isis is expanding its influence around the world, even more. Conor powell is live in jerusalem for us. Conor . Reporter andrea, this is a clear sign isis is trying to extend its brand and control to other countries particularly libia. Now the cast of executioners appears to be different in this video but the video has all the hallmarks of different videos from isis and iraq and syria. It has same sort of editing and style and uniforms are all very very similar and obviously the brutality, the killing of those 21 coptic egyptian christians. Egypt responding in the last 24 hours with airstrikes on the town of durna this is part of libia where islamic extremists gathered. There is a town where there is great many of militants. A lot of them coming according to intelligence officials coming in and out of this town, going to fight in places like syria and iraq for isis. It has been a hotbed of insurgent activity. It is, libya is really disincident greating past few months. There is no central government. Very small government there embraced welcome egyptian airstrikes and calling for other cooperation and coordination between the two governments to drive isis out of that town and other militants. So far there really is a concern that libya is oppose tension for being the next spot where isis really gains control it isnt a country with much in the way of a central government. Egypt is battling isis on their border there and also in the sinai desert. Isis sort of moving around the region. There are growing concerns that libya may just be the first of many other countries and in many other parts of the region theyre trying to expand to andrea. Conor, thank you. Senator brown, i want to go to you first on this you were on capitol hill at a time when the white house was talking about the arab spring. When Moammar Qadaffi was asked to step aside. Basically was removed from power. Now weve seen libya fall into the hands of the terrorists. We saw what happened on september 11th. We know terrorists have been flocking to that country because it is become a hotbed of terrorism. Your thoughts now on what has happened with this video and egypts striking back against this hotbed . What did libya want when qadaffi left . Ability to have equipment and training and basically backfill the fledgling new government. We did nothing. As a result you see what is happening in libia on the verge of becoming overthrown by the terrorist groups. What happened in egypt is obviously tragic. You have Coptic Christians now historic religion in egypt, largest minority population, religious group in that country. And what is happening now, i think by isis not only going after the jordanian pilot infuriating jordan but egypt kind of shaking hornets nest getting those countries involved. Hopeful it will start recognition by other countries in the region my goodness, we have to get cracking and organize and stand up to fight this group. The problem is right now there is no plan. There is no plan from this administration to move forward to defeat isis. Staying on the arab spring kennedy, egypt was a country. Hosni mubarak was in power. Not a great guy, just like qadaffi, in many ways we were able to work with him. These leaders are gone. We see such unrest. Coptic christians were persecuted for very long time. The video was heartbreaking, i never seen so many hostages lined up. That is what a lot of people were talking about this weekend. Want to get your thoughts though. Egypt striking back very quickly. A lot of people believe this is way to do it let them fight the battle. Let egypt strike instead of us getting involved. What do you think . I think couple things. There is battle for soul of islam in the middle east but radical islam against these various groups. Makes you wonder where else will isis go . Will they go into nigeria . Will they go into somalia . Theyre in afghanistan. Yemen is ripe for the plucking. What is going to stop them other than jihadist groups. I think they should have a circular firing squad to destroy each other. I think we shouldance absolutely encourage muslim nations in the middle east defend themselves and create a stronger coalition. Were seeing Critical Mass the Charlie Hebdo movement in the middle east, where it is okay to fend for themselves and way of life and define their way of life. But they dont have the military capabilities or organizational strength to really do that if we dont step forward. Doesnt mean we need to put boots on the ground in every single conflict. We cant. It is spreading so much. Is that what it takes . Does it take isis to attack the french . Does it take isis to attack a jordanian pilot . Does it take them to attack egyptians for these countries to wake up . Yes the problem with the egyptian strike is this oneoff. Talk about mubarak. Alsisi is mubarak part two, on pressing people he doesnt agree with. Big ally towards israel and ally for ours. Question for egyptians, do they realize, ive been between the border between libia and egypt. It is very porous. Not hard to cross that border. Egyptians have to realize is this one off . That they were massacred and rightly so that they were upset or will continue to do this . Is this onetime thing . Give nice speech of about defending the egyptian homeland . To your point, im concerned if we give arms to libyans for example, we gave arms to iraqis, look what happened. Isis uses arms against our very allies. My concern if we continue to give arms to people who we dont know where their allegiances are. Esyria is good example. We dont know who the good guys are anymore. If we arm up them, we end up arming people who use very arms against us and our allies. But difference is when syria actually was in transition we knew who they were. Right now we dont. We knew who they were then. When libya changed in transition, we knew who they were. Right now we dont. That is the problem. We failed to act immediately. Thats the problem. Right. That is where we missed the mark because there have been opportunities to step in, joanne and defeat isis. When we were warned about isis when they started to grow. Your thoughts . Theyre preying on vulnerabilities obviously. Going into areas where already radical islamists and selfidentifying with isis. We need to treat this like our immune system in the body. To fight a cold you need to prepare yourself. Take vitamin c, Apple Cider Vinegar even though it is awful. Do what you cant e can to prevent it. You dont want to be two steps behind. You need to be two steps ahead. Talk about defeating isis. We were in iraq 10 years, the minute we left everything went to hello. I would argue things went to hell before we left. Only way to defeat people as americans put incredible amount of boots on the ground incredible amount of firepower to stay there for the foreseeable future. Al qaeda of iraq is isis. When we were in iraq and we had completed mission said please dont send anymore fighters. Were done. Were gone. We left and al qaeda of iraq morphed into the isis. Say we had a different status of forces agreement. Say we stayed there for 10 years. If we had one. If we stayed there for 10 years what do you think would have happened in 10 years . Do you think you would have really extinguished radicalism . Nothing to replace it with. No one used nuclear suppository option. Think about that. Germany, japan and other countries to stablize the government to be selfsufficient. Same debate happening here on the couch is happening in washington d. C. Right now kennedy it is. The president s war powers request to battle isis is coming under fire from both sides. Critics say the draft legislation is deliberately vague to win over republicans who dont want to restrict military action and democrats who are weary of the mission. Senator john mccain says the lack of specifics is setting us up for failure. President hasnt come forward yet with a plan or strategy for us to succeed and in his proposal he left out baasyir assad. It is really kind of convoluted. And some members of the president s own party take issue how the request limits ground operations and restricts the use of military force to three years. Heres senator jack reed. It is a time limit that is not appropriate where, we dont want to send a signal to the world that were there for just some years. Unfortunately, this battle is going to take a long time. It is a battle. You pointed out quite rightly, based upon richards reporting some of the fundamental issues and not operational tactical and military theyre political. So a very, very vague aumf sent up to capitol hill. Now the left is fighting with the right what to do. Senator brown, this is exactly what the president wanted. He has checked out when it comes to Foreign Policy that is allowing these entities, radical jihadists to come in to push the envelope he can for next two years, not knowing who will come in 16. I have spoken to a lot of my former colleagues. It is vague. It is to debate. If he wanted it in congress he could have brought in a long time ago. He wants it in there to help with the blame game. And political cover. Julie, i agree with you, we should go in wipe them out and get out of there, no democracy promotion. Or we should do absolutely nothing. Im not willing to do anything. Get the heck out of the middle east. That is what i want to do at heart. Arab spring was a failure. Which it was destablized egypt and let the Muslim Brotherhood rise up and libya fall. We made a mess well get out of there. That is not what he is doing. He is saying nothing and provoking jihadis. Here is my concern with the president , republicans democrats, everybody across the board, nobody told any of us, American People deserve answer what is exactly the endgame . What are we going to do . Well put American Forces into iraq syria libya, potentially egypt if they cross over into western egypt and so yemen as you mentioned is on the cusp of failing. What the is endgame . Are we capable of doing this . No, im sorry our military is not capable of fighting 10front war, sustained, 10year, 20year war to defeat people. These are different silos of enemy. Bashar alassad in syria fighting isis. There are no good guys. Isnt that question, that is the strategy is for the commanderinchief . I agree it is for commanderinchief. I agree with you. I wish he would lay it out. I wish republicans would lie out strategy. I listen to john mccain he would love to attack. There is not a place john mccain doesnt want to attack. What is the answer, john mccain president obama somebody level with the American People. Tell us what is the answer to getting rid of this threat. Nobody has given it to us yet. What do you think, joanne, what do you think the American Public is feeling . We watch the polls, they seem to be more comfortable putting boots on the ground not fully. But they seem to want the United States to react . I think Congress Really reflect what is the American People are thinking. They are very divided and want a commanderinchief that will put his foot down and say exactly what this country should do. We want a leader to step forward and do that. That said we need to remember this is not something with a timeline. This will not end in three years, even if we would love it to. We need to set up the next president for success. Unfortunately this kind of vague plan will not do that. We agree the arab spring has been complete and utter failure. Sadly it is. I think people thought there would be like fall of communism. People thought it would be like idealogical dominoes. Unfortunately that didnt happen. That is the difference between a political ideology and theocratic one. I think that is why radical islam is so incredibly impossible to defeat. To speak to julies point, we dont know say we have longer timeline what does victory look like for us . What does defeat look like for them. I agree with you julie, we cant go over there and right all those wrongs in the entire middle east. I personally think we should stay the heck out of the middle east. These are tribal intramural fights and were meddling and making it worse. We should wipe out the threat, done it a long time ago as the senator points out or doing nothing. Here is the sad problem nobody wants to talk about. The arab world for the most part never had enlightenment. They never went through what Medieval Europe went through to come out the other side. When youre talking about bringing democracy to the middle east, bringing some great government to middle east, strong men are allied with us, mubarak, or you have, chaos which is what you have, theocratic chaos. There is no good answer here. That is nobody wants to level with the American People out there. Is nothing good that come out of this. Senator, where we lost the mission, when we went after hearts and minds in democracy promotion . The goal of the u. S. Is take out threat as we see it, if there is a threat take them out and leave. Not ink on fingers or democratize them. We believe they want what we want. That is not always the case. I think everybody is right here. I agree with you. There is no mission. He has not told us what the endgame or goal is but we have had korea japan, germany. We have residual forces still there, decades and decades after the conflict. What is the difference if we left somebody in iraq . If we leave germany or japan it will not devolve into civil war and chaos. There is huge difference. This enemy is not like that enemy at all. That is you will all true. Were not talking about imposing. Were talking about allowing a transition for the new government to get its feet get solid and spread its own wings and be there as a backstop basically, somebody to guide. That is what we should have done. We did not do that. When we drew the red line in syria by the way did nothing that is when our allies said that was against assad. Now what do you do with assad . John mccain wanted to bomb syria. He is our bro. Highfive and get a few miller lights call it a day. If you talk to assad that were coordinating with him on ground. We talked to United States. Josh ernest says we are not coordinating. Were not coordinating with him. He is bad guy. Why not use his boosts on the ground to kill isis . Better have his army die than our men and women here at home. Thats what i think. 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