We begin with what is not a quiet friday in washington. Former National Security advisor Michael Flynn, who was fired for lying about conversations with the russians now wanting immunity from congress in exchange for his testimony. The retired general has President Trump backing him. Mike flynn should ask for immunity in that this is a witch hunt, excuse for big election loss, by media and dems, of historic proportion meantime, nancy pelosi believes its a bit premature to be talking immunity. We dont want people thinking the Justice Department cannot make the case they want against him. This is a violation of the law, what that could lead to, i really dont want to think that its about flint to get the president. This is about flynn and flynn. Meghan i know you are coming on today and i couldnt wait to get your reaction to this. Mike i think thats a very smart legal move on his part. I dont think its admission of guilt. I know what he said several months ago, i get all that. This is now where a guy realizes whats going on. I respect Michael Flynn, i respect the service that he rendered for over 30 years. He made a mistake, he didnt expose everything, he paid a dear price for it. Ive seen this happen, friends of mine, who get mercilessly, not just prosecuted, but persecuted by the federal government and if the government wants to get you, theyre going to get you. If they cant nail something specific, theyre going to threaten your family with the indictment, theyre going to make it so you cant survive. Ask ted stevens, senator from alaska. When its all over and they are vindicated, theyre broken, theyre out of office, their lives are ruined, their reputations are shot and they are done. I totally understand that a person might say give me immunity and ill sing like an opera star. Sandra what do you think of the democrats . Nancy pelosi already speaking out on this. Mike i really care what nancy pelosi says. I just dont. Harris i want to ask you specifically about immunity, because there are different kinds. There are in agreement with the other side, the legal side. What about this one at the level at which it is . Eboni immunity is what we call a plea bargain. People dont get that bargain part of it. That makes sense. Youre doing it in exchange. We do this in our legal system, whether people like it or they dont, its a normal form of play. Governor, when september 2016, when general flynn said what he said about immunity coinciding with guilt, it was political talk. I would caution people around that, because sometimes words come back to haunt us. I dont have a problem with him seeking immunity here. What i want people to do is Pay Attention to the order. They are reaching out with an offer of immunity. This is different because its the general seeking immunity. It tells us that at least the government doesnt believe he has a bigger fish. When they believe you have a bigger fish to offer them, they come to you with the offer of immunity and hopes to get that big fish. Harris why do it . Eboni his lawyer said, Michael Flynn has a story to tell and hes willing to tell it out of the right. Hes basically trying to insinuate that i know something you guys dont know. I have some thing you want, you may not know you want yet, but i know it. Sandra would you call this normal protocol at this point . Is eboni absolutely. But its important for people to look at the order. The government may not legitimately know as much as the things it doesnt work general flynn is hoping that this thing falls in his favor. Mike dont you think its preemptive . Hes saying before they make me a target, before they run my life and everybody around me, my wife, my kids, everybody, im going to primitively go to them and say i might have some thing you want, but im not giving it for free. Eboni if im his lawyer, im doing this all day. If on the government, im leery because they know a lot more than we certainly know. Im thinking wire than i going to him with a desire to make this offer . The harris you saw the president tweet about this obviously. It does give him grounds to say you are cooperating, were playing ball. Sandra where are you out on this . Meghan last night i was on twitter and im really gail a hashtag was trending all over twitter and its in reference to people in the mafia. It basically means you turned against the unit you are with. I think s niche. Mike soon to be deceased is what that means in the mob. Meghan it was trending all over twitter last night. Im not a lawyer. They are explaining it very well to people here. It doesnt necessarily have nefarious implications. If this is just a normal part of the Legal Process if you arent in the kind of position that general flynns end, i dont know what happens. This is not the best day for President Trump at the moment. When this hashtag is trending all over twitter, thats not a good thing. Eboni its okay on one side. People are volunteering to cooperate and talk to the senators, but theyre not asking for immunity in exchange. Mike if you throw somebody overboard, throw somebody who doesnt cost you anything. Right now, mike flynn doesnt cost him anything to throw them overboard. I would do the same thing if i were him. Meghan can i ask you, what is the concern here . We know he had spoken with the russian ambassador. If talking to him is it something that is done by so many members of congress, its a big scandal that he misrepresented himself . Mike i think thats a lot of it. The fact he had done some lobbying work and didnt disclose that. Its a classic thing going back to watergate. Is not the crime, is the cover up that gets every time. I think its one of those issues where it wasnt what mike flynn did, and probably wasnt a big deal, but he didnt fully disclose it and that will get you every time. Sandra meantime, were getting some new information about how devin nunes got access to those documents that reportedly showed Trauma Campaign officials were swept up and routine surveillance. Fox news confirming at least two white house aides helped chairman nunez review the information last week. The administration is in confirming that, but did invite leaders of the house and Senate Intel Committees to come see what may be the material in question. Congressman adam schiff saying he will likely head over there today. He still has some concerns. I did express and my to white House Counsel, my profound concern with the way these materials are being made available to the committee. On the same day that the New York Times broke the story saying that the source of the materials provided to our children was a fact of staff, i was informed in a letter by white House Counsel that National SecurityCouncil Staff found these materials in the ordinary course of business. Sandra leaders of the Senate Intelligence committee turned down the invitation. They are instead asking the white house to send the information to them directly. This story, a feeling for the america people has been hard to keep track of. Whats happening now, where are we at with this . Mike i think the senate did a good job of framing the issue and kudos to richard burr and mark warner for taking more bipartisan and statesman like approach this and saying this is an about the two of us, its about bigger things. I have a lot more confidence about that Committee Going forward than i did the House Committee. In glee, and a lot of cases, congressional hearings tend to be a bunch of gas bags going on and on and talking and nothing gets revealed other than everyone in the panel has an extra ordinary ego and something to say. I think this needs to be taken out of the open committees and i know this puts me in a different spot, not a special prosecutor because they want to probe you on the wall. Get a Bipartisan Group of former legislators who understand, tom daschle, john breaux, get people who have been in the process, let them do a thorough investigation, present those to the committees, but then it has some credibility, but it doesnt have the smackings of all of this Political Energy that right now is just invading. Sandra theres a some optimism coming from the house. Eboni i couldnt agree more with the governor. The House Committee reeks of the hyper partisanship. It looks like everyone has such an agenda that theyre pushing. This is exactly why the merc and people dont trust this type of internal investigation. It has to be taken out of their hands. The recusal or removal of nunes, at this point, im not for it. He should not be involved. Not because hes done the thing wrong, but the appearance of impropriety. You go to the white house before you talk to your coleader on this issue, it doesnt look goo good. Harris i think the drip drip hasnt helped either. Every day we find out some thing different about that white house trip. I thought it lasted a few minutes. We have hours of discussion about whats new about it. Not to mention the fact that even sean spicer this week cant come up with a clear narrative as to what happened on that day and why. Nunes can either apparently. Were still waiting to figure it out. Even though there may not be a there there, it causes people to pull back and say how do we spell there . Meghan kimberly wrote this incredible article in the wall street journal saying first there were dozens of documents with information about Trump Officials peered the second the information in these documents contain where not related to russia. Third, reports mask identities. They made clear which it Trump Officials are being surveilled. The question i have, had he not come forward with this information, he also could have gotten in trouble. Which do you want . Do you want him to come out and say ive seen this, it looks like the Obama Administration was in fact spying on trump tower, whatever collected information in whatever way possible. I think hes damned if he does, damned if he doesnt. Sandra it seems everyone is obsessed with the process and set of the substance. Mike the substances, private citizens, people who are not on the government payroll, apparently were being surveille surveilled. Surveilled by government. This is very significant to note. Government is surveilling them and then leaking that information to out them. We should be nervous about two things. The government is spying on private citizens, clearly unconstitutional and illegal. People in the government who are supposed to keep secrets, leak that information out and didnt keep the secret. That is also a felony. Or are we not more outraged about the government . Sandra us a point that megan has been making for so long. They can get their act together. Eboni therapy and alternative argument saying we were doing this, but were doing it in the name of National Security. We were trying to figure out the relationship between soandso. Mike even if that were true, you could say we have a right to spy on the russians, but you dont have a right to spy on the americans. This is why so many people do not trust a government anymore. They feel like theyre being violated. Meghan thats the bottom line here. It affects our National Security, and makes america less safe and average may concern. Sandra President Trump doubling down on his critics of the Freedom Caucus. This after he threatened to fight them in the midterms if they dont get behind his agenda. 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Harris is is how you get it done . Mike sometimes, but you have to be very careful with this. Theyre not prone to pressure. They go by what they believe and frankly, interestingly, a lot of these guys stood with donald trump and paul ryan was bailing and heading to wisconsin and saying terrible things about donald trump. Harris there are now 28. What do you say about 35 others who are more moderate who also made up that number that said no . Mike there are some who didnt like that bill because it wasnt conservative enough. There were people left of center, right of center and there were only 17 of the American People who like that bill. This bill was not something very popular. Also, the people who voted against it, their numbers are going skyhigh in their districts. Ultimately, when the guy talked about accountability, the ultimate accountability as to their districts and their voters. Nobody can ever forget that. There were times i would love to punish legislators for voting against something i was proposing, but they werent working for me. Sandra will the strategy backfire . We know some of the Top Priorities are coming up. Threatening by name, Freedom Caucus members, what is the future look like trying to get things done . Mike these guys are less susceptible 20 namecalling because they are medical figure figures. If he puts tax cuts in front of them, therefore it. I thought it was interesting, the statesmanlike approach that he had when they called him out, they made very positive comments about the president. They didnt use this as an opportunity to fire back. Harris they also demonstrate how much power they have. Heres another one. For the three pillars the president was trying to get past, and some order fashion, obamacare had to be done first because you need some of the money to make those tax reform items happen the way that im reading it. But do you go with obamacare . Meghan i think you have to get yourself in order first and understand at the Freedom Caucus will meet in the middle. If we can get moderates to meet in the middle as well. Im angry at everyone. I think paul ryan deserves blame, President Trump deserves blame, the Freedom Caucus deserves blame. Everyone lost sight of whats really important. I believe that immigration is why you President Trump is our president right now. This bill is very unpopular. Mike meadows went home to his district a conquering hero. Theyre not scared of President Trump and they shouldnt be because they have no recourse with this. Theres no reason whatsoever. I will say going forward, it is a pipe dream of President Trumps idea that we can somehow work with democrats or any democratic person interested in working with obamacare. I think his republicans collectively have to work together. Harris there is criticism about that reflexive notion, some calling like banner to reach out to the democrats. It rather than people in your own party. Meghan we can have some issues, not on repealing a place obamacare. Eboni i agree, its probably a pipe dream. At the g. O. P. Is not even on the same page with it. I dont think you can invite someone else to the dinner party from another party. Harris i want to talk about the democrats for a second. What you hear people say is that some of these houses on fire and you dont want to help them, just stand back and watch it burn, dont make it worse. Democrats could not resist. Eboni frankly, theres a lot of hurt feelings. Harris so you act out like this . Celebrating a loss . Eboni i dont like it, i dont get down like that because ultimately the American People are important to me. Those with this mindset, that is most important for them. Yes, theyre upset, they feel some kind of way. Lost by donald trump in the g. O. P. Issue feels like a win. It is not actually a win, but its being interpreted as a win because they lost so severely going up to this poin