Here. In the center see copac and veteran g. O. P. Strategist david ow. Happy lucky penny day. As we all look around now. There is sincerely a day for everything. There is. Harris world turtle day. Pennies for a turtle. Harris producers are telling me i have got to move on. The white house is coordinating a meeting take place tomorrow to get to the bottom of whether the fbi was improperly spying on the Trump Campaign during the election. No one from the white house will attend. Republican chairman nunes and gowdy will be there along with fbi director christopher wray, director of National Intelligence deny coats and doj official ed owe cool hand. The white house says democrats will not be there because they did not request the information. Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer, well, hes not happy. Its unprecedented. Its outrageous. And it has overtones of things that would be done in a Banana Republic where the dictator just pushes what he wants done. I just find it mindnumbing the kind of assault that this president and some of his allies have launched or the Justice Department and its just so unamerican. Harris meanwhile, President Trump tweeted this look how things have turned around on a criminal deep state. They go after phony collusion with russia. A made up scam and end up getting caught in a major spy scandal the likes of which this country may never have seen before. What goes around, comes around islam. Just a short time ago senator schumer and congresswoman nancy pelosi sent a letter to Rod Rosenstein, the deputy a. G. And the head of the fbi wray. Saying they should not hold that meeting. Part of it read this way such a meeting would be highly irregular and inappropriate during any open criminal or Counter Intelligence investigation much less involving the president as a minimum it unseemly opportunity for the president and enablers to prematurely access investigatory information and selectively leak National Security vetoes for the purpose of publicly distorted the facts in all this case. They go on to say that if the meeting does happen, democrat leaders should also attend. So, the meeting is not right. But they want to go. David . The bob Mueller Investigation is officially off the rails. We now have a situation where no matter what outcome this investigation has, a significant portion of americans are going to feel justice wasnt done. That this was a corrupted investigation. That there was so many missteps in this investigation. There were illegal things done that its hard to see how you get true justice out of this. All of that said, the democrats should be a part of this meeting. Why . Because americans will finally find out what happened in this meeting. You know adam schiff cant wait to get out into the milk phone to tell you what happened in the meeting or Chuck Schumer tells the friends at the New York Times or the Washington Post what happened in the meeting. Maria republicans never leak. Devin nunes never leaks anything to the press. Please, come on. Members of congress leak. The reason democrats should be at this meeting because if they really want to appear to be bipartisan, this is not just a partisan issue, that they are trying to get to the bottom of it, invite the gang of 8. Thats what happens when you are looking at sensitive classified information. Bring everyone in. They requested it, so why not do that. Harris they dont have anything broader than the gang of 8. Maria right. Harris that makes sense, actually. Lisa it was senator Chuck Schumer who said it was dumb for President Trump tore go after the intelligence communities because they would have six ways from sunday to get back at you. Those remarks he made recently are interesting given that and you know who else leaks . James clapper. You remember, according to comey, James Clapper was the one who told james comey to sit down with President Trump to go over the yea. James comey even told President Trump that cnn was looking for a thook publish the dossier and then what happens after that meeting . The meeting gets leaked, cnn runs their story. And then buzzfeed publishes it in whole. There are concerns about potential politics in play here and bias. Just look at the fact that a democrat opposition piece, the dossier was used to obtain a fisa warrant in some format and in some way. Look at the fact that obama officials unmasked Trump Officials in the process as well. Maria go back to the meeting tomorrow then, should democrats be included . Sure. I also think that, you know, again, you are talking about republicans leaking. So do democrats and look at people like James Clapper who has a katyushay gig on cnn. I wonder why. Harris i just want to take everyone back. Okay . Remember the empty chair . It was like between two ferns . And the president is sitting there. Thats a different time. Harris we were talking shutdowns and all sorts of showdowns and all of that and i recall when democrats didnt show up to certain meeting, too. So i just question, i guess they want to fight for some but not for others. Chuck schumer left an empty chair. Katie at the white house, right. I think its fair that democrats wants to have a seat at the table for this meeting. What i find interesting is that nobody can leak this information. Of course we dont want politicians, either republican or democrat, giving classified information about what happened here, meaning the beginning of the investigation, which eventually prompted the special counsel to just be leaked without any kind of care to the general public or the media. However, that being said, the entire purpose why the Trump Administration and why people like trey gowdy have requested this information is because the American People deserve to know what happened, what the abuse was, whether things need to be changed. Maria if there was abuse. Thats the big question . We dont know that if there is no transparency. Moving forward, it is important for both sides to see this information and to allow the American People to understand whats going on. Because, if the obama administration, as they had done before, by using the federal government to go after their political opponents used the fbi and the Justice Department and fisa court system to go after a political opponent to save his legacy in faferl of Hillary Clinton, that is corruption. And that is something the measure people should be concerned about. Harris since we are talking about an fbi informant, potentially, i want to go to this from james comey the former director of the fbi. He says in a tweet facts matter. Fbis use of confidential human sources, the actual term is tightly regulated and essential to protecting the country. Attacks on the fbi and lying about its work will do lasting damage to our country. How will republicans explain this to their grand children . David . James comey has pretty much discredited himself about one day you dont know what he is saying is true or not. Him and mccabe are now in this leaking out who did what stuff. Here is the bigger question. Why is marias colleague, eric holder, not before a Committee Asking what he did in his justice that he overseen as the head of the Justice Department who left the Justice Department and ran now running an organization to elect democrats and defeat republicans. If that is his mentality now. Was that his mentality when he was running the show for president obama . Harris are you calling for a hearing on that. He absolutely should be asked what he knows about all of this. Maria going back to what katie said, i actually agree i do think we need transtarren is i. Some allegations put out in the press not backed up by evidence in part because there is so much classified information there is a lot of insinuations being thrown around i would argue for partisan purposes to defend the president and discredit the russia investigation that i actually want all the information out there. Because i dont think that there was someone spying on the Trump Campaign. I think the intelligence communities. Transparency harris what does it say about performance. This person didnt come out of thin air. Democrats are so protective of this person. They are concerned that this person actually could be harmed if his name comes out. So what. If they leak about it. Maria what jim comey said is right. Harris by the way we already have his name because it leaked. Maria what comey said is right. The use of these informants is tightly regulated and controlled. If there is any evidence that was abused i would like to see it too. Indicate indicates we need to be careful seeing evidence of bias. Maria we have no evidence that the fbi acted. Katie we have seen evidence in tfms between peter strzok and lisa page. [talking at the same time lisa only way to get to the bottom of this is Inspector General. Every entity here is too tainted. People dont trust congress anymore. Look at the Approval Ratings of congress. People dont trust the fbi anymore with good reason. People dont just the doj with good reason. People dont trust. History of going after government abuse when needed is the Inspector General. That is the only hope to try to regain trust in these institutions and to get to some level of truth in all of this. Harris there will be some things that the Inspector General cant get his hands on like people who left these agencies which is why there is a call for a Second Special counsel which can go all lat attitudes and we couldnt control that. But, thats one of the arguments for it. I want to get back to this meeting tomorrow, katie. Because republicans are saying that democrats are not invited to the table because they didnt request the information that they are going to be taking a look at. Do you think they go back and they say they make an exception . I mean, how does this go forward and become bipartisan or do you think that it doesnt . I dont think it. Will the special counsel investigation and everything has been so politicized and if it is true that again, the Justice Department was using the power of the federal government to go after the Trump Campaign for political reasons, you cant mend that partisan rift. I want to address the issue of the spying. This was an informant working on behalf of the fbi for Counter Intelligence investigation because the fbi didnt have enough evidence to open up a criminal investigation of the Trump Campaign. So they did the Counter Intelligence investigation instead. And i find it interesting that James Clapper is no longer denying that the spying happened. He is now actually shifted to admitting that it happened. Saying its a good thing. Saying that the president should be happy it happened. Maria spying was against russian interference and when that touched parts of the Trump Campaign, which it did, which we know, there were americans caught up in this because they were talking to russians. Costs Hillary Clinton the election which is what this investigation all started about. Maria thats actually not true. Thats actually not true. That is exactly what this investigation started out as, did the russians cobliewd trump to cost Hillary Clinton the election and the proof, to date is it didnt. Katie speaking of President Trumps legal team is reportedly trying to narrow the scope of any potential interview with robert mueller. According to cnn the president wants to limit the questions that to matters that occurred before the election. Wants audio recording of any interview so there is no doubt of what was said. Alleged business part of nerve Michael Cohen pleading guilty to tax fraud in a deal that requires him to cooperate with the Mueller Investigation. The person briefed on the plea says freidman agreed to cooperate with authorities. The president s lawyers are already resigned to the possibility that any inquiry into cohens businesses could lead to his cooperation. In a tweet today, mr. Cohen denied that he was partners with freidman. So, lisa, my question for you is, this is turns into a strategy with the white house in terms of the Public Relations appearance of this. Its pretty smart that they want audio recordings of the president s interview should he choose to give them to the special counsel. Lisa sure, look at the flynn case as evidence why President Trump would be cautious and wanting to talk to mueller. I think that President Trump should do everything can he to not with speak with mueller in any capacity whatsoever. Look, mullens intentions have already been questioned and they are further going to be questioned as we get additional information. Michael mukasey who was the attorney general under george w. Bush recently penned an oped for u. S. A. Today saying that rosenstein had no evidence and no basis for the special counsel investigation to begin with. You had a federal judge in the manafort case basically saying that some of the charges against man ford were purely designed to go after President Trump to bring impeachment and political harm against him. So i think the more information that we learn, the nor youre going to have voices coming out against the Mueller Investigation and concerns that a lot of this is political. Katie david, the big concern with the special counsel is they would have unlimited authority. Thats why the congressman are asking about the scope memo to see what rosenstein outlined in terms of what he is allowed to investigate what his jurisdiction is with the cohen guilty plea, this seems to ramp up fears about getting the people around the president , squeezing them to get them to cooperate and give information to the special counsel. It would be a failure of duties if the president s legal team wasnt trying to limit the scope of the investigation. Thats what any lawyer does for their client is they try to keep it specifically on what the ultimate investigation was about. And if he was allowed to lay out something, anything in Donald Trumps life could be investigated for, that is a completely against what this investigation started out as, which i continue to remind maria was about whether the russians colluded with the Trump Campaign to defeat Hillary Clinton. Maria it was about collusion and obstruction of justice. It was about two things. The obstruction of Justice Charges deals with what President Trump did as president. While his lawyers are doing what lawyers do, in trying to limit the scope to not include obstruction, i do not think they will be successful because that was in the original mandate of the special counsel. Katie harris, there are questions about how long this goes. Chris christie, new jersey governor, said that the president has done some things in his legal opinion to expand the special counsels investigation. Rudy giuliani, who is now working for the president as his counsel, has said they want it wrapped up by september 1st for political reasons, midterm elections and because its been almost two years since this has been kicked off. The question is how the white house moves forward with people like cohen entering guilty pleas and starting to cooperate with the special counsel. Harris the white house has all along been doing what is politically expedient. And the president made a promise and maybe he used different words, but he knows that he said that, you know, there is political value in sitting down. So the white house, in the estimation of just Pure Communications has been very smart to just keep the door open. Keep talking. That doesnt mean that your attorneys that you hire are going to be the same way. Can you play the political game and play the legal game at the same time. So, giuliani is going to look for the best deal. Thats his job. Thats why he is being paid. And the president is going to look out for the politics in all of it, because have you got to be careful. His base wont run if he doesnt give an interview. Independents and others may look at that as you said you werent afraid to sit down and it is about fear now. Everybody keeps talking about how its entrapment. The president has come disprong with this and said no, no, no, no. I will do it if my attorneys tell me its the right thing to do. You can do both. Its a smooth gymnastics move if your attorneys are looking out and you are listening to them. We will interest so see. How long is the Mueller Investigation going to go on . Who would have known that there would have been a Spinoff Program like a spin off from a rom tom like Micha