A news show featuring the top headlines of the day from pop culture to politics, which are discussed by a rotating panel of four women and one man. Them a different version of that right now as i go back stock on at least one of the 18 counts. Harris can i go back to another point because i want to make sure i got it right. You said a source close to the manna for defense what exactly . Told me this morning that when they went into court, the jury had a different look. They looked to be more serious than they have looked at two and a half weeks of the trial prior to today and that really did stand in contrast to their clients Paul Manafort who spends all day here while hes waiting for a verdict in Solitary Confinement without a tv or a book or even a magazine who came to court today and looked as upbeat as he has at any point over the last two and half weeks. Youve got the jury, they look like theyre serious, you got the defendant. Harris theyve been doing this for several days, the probably serious about ending i it. We will see. They are stuck on at least one thing. So we dont know if theyre going to come back with a partial verdict or theyre going to come back still stuck. Again, could be a couple of hours, could be a couple more days. Harris it so interesting, you and jake gibson going back and forth, this idea of partial verdicts and where they stand and 18 count indictment and as you look at kind of how its enumerated and broken out, not all of those are necessarily related to each piece of evidence, the prosecution failed to show the connection points and in their closing arguments, youve been reporting for us that they had this big chart they wanted to show the kind of connect everything in the judge said no and when the jurors came back on that first day, one of their questions was can we get a list of those indictments to try to match things up . Is a lot of information, it can be a very confusing whitecollar case, but this news that you just brought us moments ago from the judge, you should not surrender your own opinion and went on to say that disregard katie when they say on a single count, what they mean is all the accounts that are laid out there looking at, it could be a single, but could be multiple single counts of their deliberating is what mean theyre stuck on just one, it means i could be stuck on multiple single counts and thats where they are, we just dont know. So its important to talk about what happens next if they cant come to a conclusion, if they stay stuck in say we cant decide guilty or not guilty, the prosecution then can retry those counts later on if they choose to. Melissa they actually just clarified in my ear that its only one account, one of the 18 theyre saying they cant come to a conclusion on but i hear you. Katie on a single count, so could be one, but it also could be multiple single counts they could be deliberating over multiple single counts. Harris heres what i would add to the mix here, the judge according to our producer Jake Gibson Standing next to peter doocy, giving him this information which was very helpful, gave this with the jurors outside the room, this
idea of a partial verdict, that he wants them to Reach Consensus on all of them, on each count and in total, the 18 count indictment. An oversight when you were in congress, he looked at a lot of things and do you normally i would imagine take everything in its totality. What significance do you think it is that the judge would have them outside the room, partial verdict possible, but i still want you want to try to reach a single overarching verdict. Jason gives the defense of the prosecution to think about it as attorneys but i think pushing the jury back in there and saying you know, we are not letting you go, you have to keep going debating this and hashing out one at a time until you come to this consensus really forces the issue. People get tired connecticut worn out, they hatch these things time and time again but as the beauty of the system. They have to go through it and i think the prosecution actually
created a lot of confusion because it and index all this information. They got thousands of documents that are supposed to try to sort out. Melissa that could be a strategy. We are talking about this before the show that maybe the strategy behind it wasnt an oversight that i didnt connect all these things and they didnt use the chart that they had and they didnt draw what was what, or was it a strategy that you just get so overwhelmed by how much evidence this is that you just decide that hes guilty he met i dont know. Its interesting. Were talking about bank fraud, bank fraud is when you lie on the Loan Application and there are a lot of people during this financial crisis were guilty of that who inflated their income on Mortgage Documents to get a house that they really couldnt afford and a lot of the charges are very complicated. Thats a pretty basic one and its what i think more people in the audience are guilty of than they care to think about. Jessica to your initial point about whether this
mightve been part of the strategy to throw so much out there and end up getting confused, would speak to the fact that every prosecutor heard on tv talking on the couch with us last week said this is kind of a slamdunk case. This is black and white because its obviously separated from the Mueller Probe we are just talking about and bank fraud. So that would make sense they are that they would just try to overwhelm them with documents, we would certainly all seen a Document Dump of Epic Proportions in our time. Katie it doesnt make any sense at all because if youre a prosecutor, you dont want any reasonable doubt. If youre going to throw so much evidence at a jury that they get confused, that then creates doubt and you cant convict someone of being tipped guilty if you have any kind of doubt. So it seems like they were unorganized and they rushes through but for federal prosecutors not to label things is pretty out of the ordinary. Jessica how would you claim they wouldnt have taken the time to do that when they have it . Katie they may have stupidly assumed the jury
theyve done enough, present enough evidence, the judge was getting irritated was taking too long and therefore theyre going to move on but usually there a lot more organized. Harris can i add one more thought to this . It is sort of prosecutorial style and you can just lay out your case and then wait for that climax at the end to tie it all together. We see tv shows like that. Another big payoff in the end and because people are typically not doing anything else, not working, maybe theyre concentrating on each and every element and then bring it all together, tie a bow on it and you look like a big winner at the end. Lets bring this end, this is breaking now. A chief intelligence correspondent Catherine Herridge is at the federal courthouse in alexandria, virginia, as well and you were just in the courtroom, what are you hearing . I am sitting about 15 feet from the jury and it began just about an hour ago when the Security Officer retrieved a note from the jury room, what
you would rip out of the School Notebook and it was folded in quarters, went to the judges chambers, then you reconvene the court and you read the note and the jurors said what happens if we cant reach a consensus on a single count, how do we deal with the verdict form and what does that mean for the verdict overall . There was back and forth between the two sides and the instructions from the judge to the jury is that they should continue to deliberate, but this is a big moment for me. It was wrapped in tension, laserlike focus of the 12 jurors on the judge and he said at one point, you must find it within yourself to respect the view of the minority and one of the jurors, a man who appears to be in his mid30s started nodding very vigorously in agreement so that was a signal to me that he may be the one thats on the outside. The base on the question, they have reached the a consensus on some charges, they are stuck on
one of them when theyre trying to understand how to proceed. The other big take away is that the judge did not instruct them that theres a possibility of a hung jury. There can be division and that still okay, so for example, they reached consensus on nine of the 18 charges but they dont Reach Consensus on the other nine and thats okay. He hasnt held that out as a possibility at this point, he has urged them to go back and try and Reach Consensus on those remaining counts. Harris so thats different in nomenclature than what weve been reporting so i want to make sure we all understand if there is a difference to note here, a partial verdict versus a hung jury. The prosecution could then retry based on the charges if they didnt Reach Consensus with. Is this judge saying that he would accept a partial verdict to go forward as a guilty or not guilty . Can you parse it for us . I want to be clear on this,
lets focus on what the instructions are to the jury right now and not go two or three steps ahead which i think is very speculative. What he has said to the jury right now as i want you to go back, want you to continue to deliberate and try to Reach Consensus. What he has not done at this point is offer up other options that would be acceptable to the court. He wants to focus on consensus, if they come back in the cannot Reach Consensus on at that point, there will be additional instructions but i dont want to take it two or three steps and get to speculative or hypothetical in this discussion of the deliberation. Harris as you are talking, we are showing some video of the lead counselor for Paul Manafort just of people are looking up at their screen, theyre not confused by what theyre seeing. The jurors at this point. One of the things that we are not talking about and this is my training being inside the courtroom is that you want to look at the jurors and you also want to look at the defendants and i saw a big shift from paul
manafort earlier today where he seemed very upbeat, but once the note came in, he became very solemn. He was smiling slightly as he looked forward into the court and then when the jurors know based on the podium, the prosecution and defense could read it, you could see him visibly leaning over to see the handwriting for himself, a very engaged but also very solemn at this point trying to interpret as we all are what the question means about the 18 counts as a whole here. Harris thats interesting, its very complicated and people do so much more degrading than they do tea drinking is what weve had in the last couple of days is his defense saying another saying the longer they stay deliberating, the better it is for the defendant, no doubt hes got some of that in his constellation and is hopeful about it, another serious note causes you to kind of lean in as you have said. We will come back to you, we know that you are in and out of
the courtroom, its a wonderful opportunity for us to get some of that color and better information and instruction of the judge is giving, so thank you for being there and for this report. So again, i lean on your Oversight Committee experience in your Leadership Experience because he had to take a look at a lot of things when pieces were coming together. Your thoughts on where we are now . Jason one of the things that bothers me about this just in general is this has absolutely nothing to do with russian collusion, if somebody is guilty, i want them to be convicted but the reason all the cameras are there, the reason we are talking about this is because for three or four months of his life, he was engaged in the Trump Campaign and i worry that at some point, we have to step back and say when you have proximity to people in power, that doesnt necessarily mean you get the full weight of the federal government coming after you on either side of the aisle. Again, my understanding of this case is that the federal government looked at it, decided
not to prosecute previously but because now involved in the Trump Campaign as a manager for whatever it was, three or four months, thats why all this focus is going on there and there will be all this conjecture about what does this mean for donald trump . It has nothing to do is donald trump. Melissa let me take the other side of that for a second. First of all, youre not saying that tax evasion is okay. Jason if he is guilty, i want him to be convicted. Melissa he does have connections to putin backed russians, kremlin backed russians through all of this. Whether there in ukraine. Of so there is a connection to russia and it did make them vulnerable here, that something that we want to know. If i understand these particular charges have nothing to do with the president but it does have a connection and you see down the road, that that Connection Force them to do something later and we dont know if the president was involved in that but i
wouldnt say this has nothing to do with russia at all. Harris what youre pointing to and dont even have a date yet on when things will start to kick along, this one has got to wrap up in d. C. , the change. You saw the lead attorney for Paul Manafort as i said, Councilor Downing Walking in. He said on camera exiting the court, he does not know if the question about a single count means jurors have a consensus on the 17 other counts with one exception or on zero counts and they dont have a consensus on a single one. This is what Counselor Downing is saying it is also what Katie Pavlich was saying on the couch as well. We get more clarification, we are on verdict watch, stay clos close. If hed taken tylenol, hed be stopping for more pills right now. Only aleve has the strength to stop tough pain for up to 12 hours with just one pill. Aleve. All day strong. To give you the protein you need with less of the sugar you dont. Ill take that. [cheers] 30 grams of protein and 1 gram of sugar. New ensure max protein. In two great flavors. So, she turned to legalzoom. They helped me out. She means we helped with her llc, trademark, and a lot of other legal stuff thats a part of running a business. So laura can get back to the dogs. Would you sit still . This is lauras mobile Dog Grooming Palace and this is where life meets legal. Designed to save you money. Wireless network
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the time, investigators have followed hundreds of leads, they say spent days canvassing the nearby hog farm, talk to the hog farm owner, cornfields and other properties also searched for traces of mollie tibbetts. Theyve interviewed dozens of people. Authorities plan to hold a News Conference today at 5 00 p. M. Eastern. We will bring that to you live and of course any updates as we get them throughout the day. Melissa fox news alert, lawmakers are threatening and new sanctions more now in russia as the senate is holding dual hearings on the threat from moscow to our elections. This is microsoft is revealing that its uncovered new evidence of russian Cyber Attacks ahead of the midterm. A short time ago, Bipartisan Group of lawmakers taking the Trump Administration officials to task over the ministrations handling of the ongoing threat from russia to influence the u. S. Election. Here is democratic senator ben cardin accusing the president of undermining his own administrations russia strategy
and got some strong pushback. There have been times that the president has made this a very partisan issue. I disagree with your overall characterization of the president hasnt followed his policies, these are the president s policies. The president directed a russian strategy, a strategy for countering russian influence, the Previous Administration did not. If melissa today, the Treasury Department announcing new sanctions on two russian firms were trying to evade u. S. Sanctions while microsoft announced its discovered that russia created six phony web sites aiming to target conservative institutions critical of russia or of President Trump. In the meantime, President Trump in an interview with reuters leaving the door open for cooperation with russia when asked if he would consider lifting sanctions. The president responding i am not considering it at all. I would consider it if they would do something that would be good for us but i wouldnt consider it without that. We have a lot of things we can do good for each other. You have syria, ukraine, many other things. They would like economic development, thats a big thing for them. So many moving parts here. I will ask you, jason. These web sites set up in order to seem like their policy web sites people go when they visit them in as a result, they are downloading malware