Wearing a beard today [laughter] chris wilson is here and he is outnumbered agreed to see you chris i said it would look really bad if i tried to grow i it. Lisa for the record, we endorse senator ted cruzs beard. We are probeard and a bipartisan endorsement, no less. [laughter] melissa thank goodness they come together its perfect. Lisa for the sake of the nation, we did. Harris if senator cruz is anywhere near a tv, hes wondering what the heck [laughter] chris he will hear about this later. At a Christmas Party the other night, it didnt go well. Harris interesting details during this hour. Keep watching. The president and Michael Cohen trading accusations over hush money payments made to two women during the campaign that alleged affairs with the president over a decade ago. This, amid reports of the president was the third person in the room in 2015 during talks between cohen and National Enquirer publisher, david packer, about a plan to purchase the story and avoid publication. The president avoided any wrongdoing during my interview with him yesterday. Come on, during an interview with George Stephanopoulos, pointed the finger back at the president. Watch it. I never directed him to do anything wrong. Whatever he did, he did on his own. He directed me to make the payments. He directed me to become involved in these matters, including the one with mcdougall, which is really between him and david packer. I give loyalty to somebody who truthfully does not deserve loyalty. Harris President Trump also told me yesterday that he be don mike believes cohen pleaded guilty to Campaign Finance violations to embarrass him. Cohen disputes that. Watch. I wasnt his only client, he had other clients. He did some bad things. He made a deal to embarrass me. I didnt do it to embarrass the president. He knows the truth. I know the truth. Many people know the truth. Under no circumstances do i want to embarrass the president of the United States of america. Harris meanwhile, some lawmakers on capitol hill want to get cohen die before their committees as he pleaded guilty to lying to congress. They will have some time to do that. Between now and the beginning of march the sixth, he can sit out. I think he wears a nickel bracelet but i will have to factcheck that. Michael cohen says he knows the truth. I dont think thats a question. I think the question is, does he tell the truth . Chris it is. Doesnt matter, at this point . He has zero credibility. The fact is, you cant plead guilty to long before congress and expect the American Public to believe you. It certainly appears at the president is not concerned about this. Hes the one person who also does know the truth, and if hes not concerned, i think its probably they can make all the charges they want, but who will take them seriously . Melissa the truth about what . He says the president directed them to do it. If thats true, that basically clears the president because he used his own money in order to do this. You are allowed to spend as much money on your campaign as you want. A second point i cant believe that George Stephanopoulos did not ask cohen if he has done this before. I would but the president has paid off other women. In which case, its not necessarily about the campaign. Its sort of a normal course of business. Yes, its horrible and distasteful, but is not illegal by any jessica, i want to bring in one word. Its receipts. Its kind of a colloquial thing right now, if somebody does something, get on your phone, get a receipt. If the federal investigators are looking at this properly, they would be corroborating. They wouldnt need much for Michael Cohen. We need to find out what else. Again, that goes back to mueller. We dont know all that he has. Jessica but the fdny filings and the mueller memo were quite clear about this. Judge napolitano has been on our network talking about this extensively, that they wouldnt have move toward if they didnt have corroborating evidence and didnt actually need Michael Cohen for this. We have a third person in the room, david packer, who offered so cooperation with the mueller probe. As to where the money came from for the payoffs, we knew it would be a Campaign Finance violation. Harris to that point let me a cut in really quickly pray this is coming into fox news through john roberts. The president s attorney, rudy giuliani, said he never says a Campaign Finance issue is not a big crime. He is following back, i guess come on dershowitz and others saying that giuliani described the Campaign Finance violation as not a big crime. If it turns out thats a problem, it would be a big deal. Even giuliani he says that. Lisa he didnt kill anyone. I think everyone in the country can agree that Michael Cohen is a terrible attorney. Clearly, hes the one who if hes breaking the law or not, thats the point of having an attorney. And why President Trump was relying on him to follow the law. In regard to the legal aspect of this, its up for disputes if President Trump broke the law or not. You also have people like former fec commissioner bradley smith, who says he doesnt think there is anything criminal here in what President Trump did. I think that is up for dispute. The bigger issue for President Trump is a political one. Even on that, he has a safeguard in the senate with the 53 republican majority. Even if the house brings impeachment proceedings, the senate is not going to convict him. They would need twothirds, 60 votes, a super majority. With the 53 republican advantage in the senate, thats not going to happen. The way i look at this if you step back from a 30,000foot level he doesnt look that bad off here, to be honest. Harris i want to go back to what melissa said. What you were talking about is the actual paying. Michael cohen says he would have paid on his own. Thats not the case with ami, who just cut this immunity deal. Melissa that in and of itself was the Campaign Finance violation. Well, im talking about with relation to Michael Cohen. And another question that George Stephanopoulos missed, which i dont know, maybe have these questions were on the edit room floor. He missed some of the biggest, most obvious ones. Did you tell the president it was a legal . Nobodys asking that question. He said he told him it was wrong. But did you tell him it was a legal . He says he knew it was. Did you tell the president . Argue where his legal counsel. Harris the president said he trusted him to do his job. Melissa he never said he told the president it was illegal. I was the president supposed to know . Harris the president told me yesterday, everything we said was on tape. We can roll it if we want to. He said he trusted, he paid, he pays for services and he trusted that he was getting them. But you ask a very important question when your Attorney Says something is wrong, are we supposed to assume, then, that it is illegal or he wouldnt advise you to do it . Chris he does it for you. Melissa if you ask is that legal . Thats what you have a lawyer for. Is it legal or is that not . 36 he filed his tax returns regardless of that. Harris it comes into import, here. Who directed home . Chris its just if cohen said this is wrong, yet he did it anyway, does that then absolve . And the president would say if its wrong, why did you go do it . You are supposed to give me legal advice, but you do it anyway. Lisa a lot of people out there are saying different things. I think the conversation we are having on the couch proves its ambiguous and how much legal trouble President Trump is in right now. Also, Campaign Finance violations are also typically met with fines, not any sort of criminal action. Campaign finance violations for the prosecutor, there is a very high level of burden of proof for intent. Right now it seems like that is very ambiguous for the president. There seems to be a lot of gray area here, yet democrats are trying to act like its some sort of black and white situation. It certainly doesnt appear to be. Jessica it seems to be blackandwhite for fdny, and they know better than we do. There are many people who think what you think you, but judge napolitano is not on his own here. He made it very clear yesterday lisa i respect them, but theres a lot of different jessica he said, if you direct someone to commit a murder, you are charged equally for having directed that. If its a person who executed i. If he was the one making negotiations, and as harris pointed out, that one was from campaign funding. He did that himself. Then he certainly is in trouble. There is also more to it melissa thats Campaign Finance. Jessica but that is a crime, yes, usually it is fines, but it wasnt in the case it wasnt present obama saying do this thing so i can defraud the maker people so they dont know that i was doing these things. Harris he did not direct Michael Cohen. I want to give you the last word. Chris the bottom line is, Michael Cohen has no credibility. Very few people are going to take what he says and believe that this is something that even the president should be brought to a legal charge, impeached, anything like that. Michael cohen has just been convicted of lying. You have to consider the source. As i said with her interview yesterday, the president did not seem concerned about this issue. Speed went all right, we will move on. A deadline today for the special counsel. I made a bombshell claim for Michael Flynns cap that the fbi pressured him into not bringing a lawyer to the interview with agents. What we can expect. 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Melissa shutdown showdown President Trump keeping up the pressure on Top Democrats to back the 5 billion that he wants for his border wall, as a fiery rhetoric continues days after their tense encounter in the oval office. The president , in a video posted on twitter, calling Top Democrats like Chuck Schumer hypocrites on Border Security. Watch. Speak of the are absolute hypocrites. All along, they have been supporting walls and supporting fences and supporting all sorts of Border Security. Whatever it takes to get Border Security, i will do it. I pledged that a long time ago, and i will pledge it always. We have done a really fantastic job with what we have. We can do it almost perfectly if we have the wall. Melissa the video also includes old clips of schumer, hillary clinton, and former president obama talking up barriers and the need to curb illegal immigration. President trump saying they wont back a wall now because of me. And a schumer budging. I want to be Crystal Clear there will be no additional appropriations to pay for the border wall. Its done. The president repeatedly promised that mexico would pay for his unnecessary and ineffective border wall. In his words, 100 . Melissa meantime, politico reporting that he might back a bipartisan package to avoid a shutdown. The package funds Border Security but not the wall. Jessica, let me ask you from the democrats point of view just looking at the facts, moments cutie said 500 billion will build 200 miles of fence. That Senate Democrats voted for 700 miles. Many more than that 215 of double fence. They can get anything right now. In exchange for this money, for 215 miles of fence. Why not go to the president and say i want and then something outrageous . Jessica there is some digging around the world wall. That has become such a flash flash point. Harris so i dont we call it a fence . Jessica if he had begun that way, it would be more that way about beefing up Border Security. Nancy pelosi, in that meeting, said of course we are for Border Security. And it Chuck Schumer said i have offered you 1. 6 billion. There is a semantics issue here, but nancy pelosi has made it clear she doesnt want to be in the business of trading dreamers, for instance. Harris she is saying you have to come through me before you go to the senate. And the president is saying i dont need to do that, because ive got the votes. And they go around and around about that. Melissa thats what negotiating is. You have to give to get. Everybody who has studied negotiation or bought a house or a car knows, you give to get to. Thats a get it done. Let me ask you real quick what would you put out there as the offer . He wants to make a deal. He loves to make a deal. He would give democrats something. What is the deal that could get done . Chris its a good question. Theres a lot that can be done around Border Security, but i think hes having a hard time getting around or beyond the fact that under obama in 13, they voted to extend the border wall. Now that he is the president come he cant get it through. I dont know that you are going to get he is going to put a hard and fast line in the sand on building a wall. He has to to be able to run for reelection in 2020, because it was such a big platform for his original initial election. I think we are probably moving to a shutdown, here. The fact is, for the past shutdowns, we have democrat president s. They lost out. This is the first time the democrats are being overreached, and they will pay a price for i it. Lisa i say shut it down. It will likely be a partial government shutdown, also the 2020 election is so far away. Literally, a month from now people will forget. Shut it down, who cares . I think the wall is a noble cause. To jessicas point i want to address a couple points that you made democrats arent against striking some sort of deal. They tried to do it with the schumer shutdown regarding spending. Nancy pelosi is a little full of it on that. Second, you basically proved the point that this is all politics, all semantics, over the term wall. Essentially, all democrats are interested in is denying President Trump that campaign promise, his preeminent promise, on the campaign trail. Thats what this is solely about. The idea that anybody would be against some sort of physical barrier was already disproven by democrats voting on the 2006 secure fence act. Even people like Dianne Feinstein who previously said democrats were totally for Border Security where are they now . Harris can add to that point, they were looking at caravans at that time. In 2012 they used tear gas in the vicinity of families and children, as well. Border patrol has told me that. You can look at dhs statistics on the po