Big debut monday at 3 00 p. M. , bill hemmer. Congratulations on the new show. Bill we used to do this where we all came together. Melissa i dont want to lean too far forward here. We will get more of his show at the end but lets go to White House Correspondent john roberts on the north lawn. Bill will soon be giving himself a onehanded high five. The president hosting the lsu tigers, the National CollegeFootball Championship Team in the east room here at the white house and the last hour celebrating their victory but at the same time also couldnt help but bringing impeachment into the mix, listen here. Come to the oval office, we will take pictures behind the resolute desk, its been there a lot of time. Some good, not so good but youve got a good one now even though they are trying to impeach the sun abov son of a [. Can you believe that . Speak of the people who will be arguing on behalf of the president , they will mirror the Team Announced by nancy pelosi. Jay sekulow, the president s attorney will also be playing role. Ken starr, Alan Dershowitz, the harvard law professor who voted for Hillary Clinton and opposed to the impeachment of bill clinton. He says hes going to be arguing on behalf of the constitution for the president. Robert ray, the former whitewater prosecutor. Jay sekulows son jordan will assist his father, the executive director of the American Center for law and justice here. He predicts that the democrats effort to unseat the president will fall short in the senate trial. Listen here. I think they have a very uphill battle, to get 67 senators to try to come on board with these two week articles of impeachment that are so partisan, that dont even include a criminal charge. They dont have to but in the past they always have. It makes it that much weaker, that much tougher and i believe if they go in there and play their partisan politics to the u. S. Senate sitting as a jury, that is going to backfire. A couple of key things are going to be happening with the legal team, they have to file an answer to the articles of impeachment with the house and either sunday or monday they have to file their brief with the senate, outline the arguments are going to make. Hes is there going to make very strong arguments regarding article two and the president s ability to do Foreign Policy as the president sees fit. We will see if the will buy the arguments they make. Things begin in earnest at 1 00 tuesday afternoon. Melissa at least five of those folks we put up on the screen are people we have seen regularly here o on fox news and on other channels. They are and for good reason, in my mind, because so much of this is about public opinion. You want to be good at explaining what you are doing on television. Bill a lot of that is going to be on tv. Robert ray joined ken starrs team in 1999. I wonder if robert ray was a demand on behalf of ken starr, if im going to join your team i want robert ray to join me. You are exactly right, this will be played out on television, its clear what the president has appealed due for a very long time, he wants people to communicate their ideas through that box. Harris i would add to that with robert ray that he actually issued and took over for ken starr at the end of whitewater and issued the final reports on the whit whitewater scandal and Monica Lewinsky scandal, as you all know i dont like to call it that. Bill we had ken starr on a few days ago, i was confused, i dont know if you were but was saying, if you are asking for a prediction as to witnesses, he said yes we will and i said give me some names and he said john bolton, hunter biden. But then he seemed to backtrack and his answer as to whether or not that was the direction this trial would have. I was confused. I wonder if at that point he had an idea as to whether or not he was possibly joining. Harris do you think he was getting to what senator ted cruz and others have asked for, the oneonone match, if you want this you can get this. Bill any time you asked that question, thats what republicans will go. You want this one, we are going to take this one. Harris my impression of that conversation when you had it was that he was saying if there are witnesses this is who i think its going to be and i feel like jessica, his point was, its all or nothing. If youre going to have witnesses, the republicans are going to call the bidens. How much of a risk is that the democrats, do they want to go down the road of a freeforall with witnesses that you have no idea whats going to happen then they could bring the bidens out and Everything Else . Jessica i dont think theres much that hunter biden could say that will do in the case against the president. Melissa its not a risk . Jessica im not sure were going to get to that point. Chuck schumer said there will be both on this end the four republican senators have said they want to make sure its a fair trial and wouldnt dismiss the case outright. In looking at that board of these lawyers coming on board, not only is it a flashback from the 90s but there are people on that list, Alan Dershowitz is tied to Jeffrey Epstein, ken starr was melissa hes a constitutional scholar and lawyer but you feel because of a client he represented he shouldnt be able jessica hes also implicated himself in it. Dagen thats what the left is pushing regarding Alan Dershowitz. Not getting off of o. J. Simpson, not getting off people on death row. Jessica if you think Jeffrey Epstein has a clean reputation i am sorry, Alan Dershowitz. Obviously Jeffrey Epstein is not a part of any legal team. As well as ken starr who had to leave baylor, thats also complicating and the reputation for what went on in the 1990s. These people are good on tv but they also bring a tremendous amount of baggage with them that im not sure is necessarily plus. Dagen here is how you offset that, i will plug trey gowdy. You can only have one person talk at a time and i would be surprised, i would be shocked if jay sekulow didnt do most of the talking. The issue is here, this is not legal, it is political, its about bruising President Trump, its about messaging and this is what this team will be partially responsible for. Because impeachment right now is still underwater. Yes, removed on impeachment, 46. 9 . No, 47. 3. Its underwater, they want to push that further and further. Bill quick anecdote, two years ago Alan Dershowitz came on our program and he had his book, why the president should not be impeached. What was the title of that . Picture of donald trump on it. Underneath that he had a cover that said the case against impeaching Hillary Clinton. H melissa if they strategize but they are not all they are doing the trial, some of them are going out and being spokespeople, is that what youre getting at . Dagen you will hear from these individuals during the live broadcast but you will hear mostly according to trey gowdy, from jay sekulow. Harris i would just add and also argue that hunter biden might not be the biggest mystery or risk for democrats. It might actually be john bolton. We dont know what he would say and we do know that he has some things he wants to share in an upcoming book on topics on his dealings with the president and other things. The things we reported that came from him. But good prosecutors never ask a witness questions they dont know the answer to. I keep having attorneys tell me that. We will move on. Senate democrats are continuing their push to have new witnesses testify at President Trumps impeachment trial. Minority leader Chuck Schumer has promised to force votes on those witnesses as soon as the trial kicks off on tuesday even though Majority Leader Mitch Mcconnell has enough votes to delay a decision on additional testimony until midtrial. G. O. P. Senator Susan Collins is clarifying her position on the issue, saying in a statement just last night, its likely she would support a motion to call witnesses after hearing both sides. However, senator rand paul is warning republicans who support democrats that they better be fair to President Trump or pay a price at the ballot box. Watch. If it turns out, the Republican Base sees that this looks like only democrat witnesses and no president ial witnesses, i guarantee the Republican Base will punish those people who set up that scenario. If it looks like a kangaroo court, the Republican Base is going to be very unhappy. I thought it was five, collins. Its a good question. They seemed to suggest, mitt romney said two weeks ago that hes open to hearing from witnesses. Heres what i think is really important on this decision. You are going to know whether its a thumbs up or thumbs down as to how long this trial is going to last. If you get to your opening statement, i think there is a 16 hour period for senators to ask their own questions. Mitch mcconnell in all likelihood is going to bring up this questions of witnesses and if the answer is no, the case is over. I am going to guess two weeks, based on every thing im heari hearing. Susan collins put out that statement, based on what she was hearing yesterday, in 1999 she made the case where she supported witnesses in that case but still found bill clinton not guilty. So you can support witnesses but if the articles come up and you are asked to vote up or down, you are going to have a decision. Harris how much do you think it helps the president to say, how much do you think it helps the president to wait and then be able to say the exoneration, and dont you need witnesses for that . Melissa probably yes. Its an interesting idea, what if everybody stood up and said lets assume all the facts in the case are true, assume he held back the money, set im not going to release it and attempted to hold her back until they did the investigation. Thats not what happened in the end, the money was released. Given those facts how do you feel, impeachment up or down . That would be an interesting and honest question. They are not going to go that route but thats one way you dont need witnesses. Witnesses are supposed to prove that that was his intent. When you put it out there im not sure you get to impeachment. Harris i was going to ask about socalled new evidence that come into play. It may only be new to those of us who dont have access to classified documents. All that talking. Dagen Andy Mccarthy wrote this Investigation Continues into the senate trial. A trial cannot be fairly conducted if a defendant is still under active investigation for this same alleged corruption transaction particularly when investigators are publicizing new findings. That patently prejudices the consideration of the formal charges that have been transmitted to the court. The senate and republicans are under no obligation to pursue this new evidence. Government Accountability Office report, this is part of the legislative branch. I will point that out. And by the way, the funding was still sent to ukraine. In the clinton trial, the house wanted to call ten witnesses. There were three that were called, they were interviewed behind closed doors. They might interview witnesses but we might not see it. Melissa it was a piece of video was shown, they werent called as witnesses. Dagen they videotaped closeddoor depositions. Jessica i think with Susan Collins specifically, the most outstanding example of this where electoral politics comes into play. Susan collins is the single most unpopular senator sitting right now. When people are in tight races like whats going on in colorado, she has an opponent there versus they are going to be under pressure to be doing what their electorate, their constituents want. Public opinion has weighed in favor of having witnesses. Harris based on, you know, the example that bill just gave, she is independent usually of all of that. Jessica the kavanaugh vote really from that, im deeply troubled and its become a joke, she said im concerned about that but then she goes in line with President Trump. I had just thing to watch these tight races, thats where you could see the sway from the senators who want to keep their jobs. Dagen this is what Chuck Schumer said, hes using it, not a legal proceeding, as a political one, hes trying to move those races. Almost two dozen republicans in november, hes trying to pressure their republicans and Mitch Mcconnell is trying to caution them, dont let him do it. Harris the four senators running for president returning to washington for jury duty as you might call it in the senate trial. It can they afford to be off the campaign trail this close to the Iowa Caucuses . It hasnt had much oxygen and coverage anyway. Is there anything to this claim about the trial that they cant get a word in . s because sometimes i wonder have all the timing was to help one of their candidates in their race who gets to be out there working in iowa and others are working here in d. C. , ive been wondering about that. As a struggling actor, i need all the breaks that i can get. At liberty butchemel. Cut. Liberty mu. Line . Cut. Liberty mutual customizes your Car Insurance so you only pay for what you need. Cut. Liberty m. Am i allowed to riff . What if i come out of the water . Liberty biberty. Cut. Well dub it. 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Call now to learn more. I would rather be in iowa today, there is a caucus there in two and a half weeks, id rather be in New Hampshire and so forth but i swore a constitutional oath as a United States senator to do my job and im here to do my job. Harris some Brutal Honesty there from senator Bernie Sanders, one oh four senators running for president along with michael bennet, Elizabeth Warren, and Amy Klobuchar who will have to leave the campaign trail weeks ahead of the first in the nation iowa caucus to do their duty as jurors in President Trumps impeachment trial in washington. That could be a big opportunity for those 2020 hopefuls not in the senate. Yesterday while his democratic rivals were taking an oath of impartiality, Pete Buttigieg had the Hawkeye State all to himself while joe biden was campaigning in texas. Here is what i would do. Maybe recuse yourself and you say i dont think i can look impartial in the senate because im running against this guy right now. To be clear, i dont think they can be impartial because they are running. Bill Marsha Blackburn suggested that. Harris she didnt suggest it, she said it had to happen. Melissa you say, i dont think i can look impartial, im not going to do it and go back to the trail. Bill there is a great piece on foxnews. Com, that the entire caucus itself is now tainted. Harris thats what i would say, who wouldnt . Bill minimum two week trials. The senate trail only runs between monday and saturday. What he was saying is that if Pete Buttigieg wins or biden wins there will be an asterisk by their name. If sanders wins or warren wins, the headline will be look how much they overcame by not being there. Harris that is an interesting point. I say for all the process, from the moment senator Mitch Mcconnell, and he took a lot of heat for this, said some alignment with the white house, from the moment there was even a question about whether or not he could be impartial and hes leading the republicans and they are in the majority. The conversation begins, who is completely in a political process not coming from a political basis . I dont know if it flies that i dont know if i could choose a side, i have to myself. The amount of delegates to be distributed, its not a lot. Its the headline the candidate wants, you want a gold medal or a silver medal, one, two, or three. Harris imagine the headline if the president is able to say they impeach me but i still won. Melissa the president tweeting this today, they are wrecking the election again against Bernie Sanders just like last time, only even more obviously, they are bringing him out of so important iowa, as senator he sits through the impeachment hoax trirai trial. 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