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FOXNEWSW Outnumbered August 25, 2020

The Police Responding to a domestic disturbance call shot 29yearold jacob blake several times from behind as he tried to get in the car. He is in the hospital reportedly in serious condition. The shooting also sparking protests in other major cities including new york, chicago, minneapolis. Chief correspondent Jonathan Hunt is live in kenosha with more. Jonathan . Melissa, a second night that began as a protest turning in to a riot here in kenosha. As many in the crowd of several hundred that initially gathered here at the county courthouse moved on and set fire to local businesses burning several of them to the ground. They were defying an 8 00 p. M. Curfew imposed by the Kenosha Police department. The protesters simply would not obey that curfew. They started throwing fireworks at the police lines. The police then responded with volleys of tear gas. All of this, of course, resulting from sundays shooting of 29yearold jacob blake. On the video that we have seen here, he appears to be followed by several Police Officers as he walks around and then leans back in to his vehicle. One of the officers grabbed him by the shirt. Then we hear on the video seven shots fired. Jacob blakes father has told a chicago newspaper this morning that his son is indeed in serious but stable condition in the hospital. But is according to the elder mr. Blake paralyzed from the waist down. We are waiting for confirmation from that. We expect a press conference here later today with the family attorney and members of jacob blakes family. The mayor of kenosha in the meantime, had a message for the blake family. Listen here. We are going to make sure that justice is done for everyone. People will have the right to make sure that the investigation is taken care of and is done correctly. Oftenoften in these cases boy cam foot soldier crucial. But we wonder there is none of that in the case. Kenosha Police Department were put in the budget. They were given the money to buy body cam in 2017 but they decided not to spend the money on body cams. So, as we understand it, not one of the officers involved in the shooting of jacob blake was wearing a body camera. That will clearly leave a lot of gaps in this story for some time. Waiting to hear details from the police chief. Right now there are so many questions about how this all unfolded. This community desperately wants answers. Melissa . Melissa yeah. Without question. They have the right to them. Jonathan hunt, thank you for that. This is outnumbered. Im melissa francis. Here today is harris faulkner, town hall editor and Fox News Contributor katie pavlich. Fox news night anchor shannon bream. Joining us today the former White House Press secretary for george w. Bush and Fox News Contributor ari fleischer. Ari, let me start with you. The fact we dont have the body cam footage is going to make this so much more difficult. What do we do from here . Ari we hesitate. We have to allow facts to come in. Look, this is distressing. Anybody who watches that, your sympathy goes out. How can you shoot somebody in the back. We dont know everything that took place. We dont know the circumstances. We dont know why they did that. Was it cold blooded murder or did they have a justification thinking that either their lives could have been in danger or that the childrens lives in the backseat could have been in danger . We dont know. Im just mindful about what happened in ferguson, missouri, where Michael Brown was involved in the police shooting. Rye it yous took place riots took place. The Justice Department looked into this and determined it was selfdefense. Clearly this is not selfdefense by the officers but but is there something we dont know and we havent seen . Hes tate. We are open to either side. Let the facts develop. But every parent tell your children comply. If a Police Officer tells you to do something, even if the cop is wrong, comply. That is the best way to live. Melissa harris . Harris wow im flabbergasted by all of it. I am. You know yesterday when i watched that video for the first time all the way through, i could hear this woman in the foreground screaming for his life, jumping up and down. You see the one officer put his hand up to push her away. Justification is the question. Selfdefense is not i agree with you, ari. I dont think that is question. Weapons drawn, guys back to you and one has him from the white tshirt you see clearly in video and there are children inside the car. What was going on . What was being said . The dad today spoke with the chicago sun times. Jacob blakes father. He said what justified all the shots . What justified doing that in front of my grandsons . What are we doing . What are we doing as a country right now . Are we talking about what justice looks like as thoughtfully as we will on the show around the kitchen tables and the work spaces across america, socially distanced of course . What conversation do we want to have now . May 25 wasnt that long ago. The rioting has got our thoughts and eyes and our minds on all the wrong things. We are all complicit in reaching a moment right now where we cant not just hesitate but believe we will get to the facts. Nothing changed. That is not good enough for america. Melissa i would add to that, shannon, you know, a lot of people make the comment that we seem to really focus on the issues every four years. And then we seem to sort of ignore them in the middle. Im not blaming anyone on either side. Im saying that we focus when there seems to be something at stake but then it feels like we dont do the work that needs to be done in between. Is that cynical . Shannon well, i think, i read an article yesterday that spelled this out so perfectly saying for people who are suffering these tragedies, it feels like to them they are seeing the same movie play over and over again. There is an interaction with the Law Enforcement that goes terribly wrong. Someone is injured or killed. There is writing. Coopting of the underlying message. You have people rioting and burning things down that is not bringing ajustice or attention to what needs to be fixed. Police reform, better training. Whatever kneads to be done. Its all lost in the message of the violence that distracts people who say i dont want any part of what they are doing. This is crazy. Burning down communities and the cities. We lose the ability to have a conversation about jacob blake. What happened to him. I talk talk to former Police Officers who talk about the training they are given when they are put in this situation. So i hear from theirview point how they view this. But you hear from the communities and the families and harris mentioned the woman begging because they have seen this same scenario play out on their tv screens. Begging for his life. Worried that this would go terribly wrong as it did. I talk to the former new York City Police commissioner about this. The reporting and sounds like there are not body cameras but he said please, take a little bit of solace in the fact there will be local, state and probably federal investigations that will be thorough. People will be held accountable in whatever way is appropriate or necessary. There will be a lot of eyes on this situation. That may be some comfort at this moment. But not to the people, the family, the kids who witnessed this of jacob blake. The communities who feel like they do not understand why they are seeing this time and time again. They feel like this is always the same story, melissa. Melissa yeah. Another name jacob blake. It wasnt very long ago that we were talking about george floyd, katie. Everyone agreed at that time that what happened was unforgiveably wrong. Horrifying to watch. Shannon said well and harris, too, from there it went off and all the Different Directions that seems to have undermined that original unity when everyone said, everyone, we dont want to see it happen again. How do we hold on to that sentiment and get something done and fixed, rather than how shannon explained that it spirals in to this place where so many coopt the message or forget and nothing changes . Katie well, i think its very important we take each of the cases on the own. Because the facts are different. Just based on the location and the Police Department. Who was involved and what the situation was. I dont think they should be conflated. This has already been framed in the racial terms but its werent to focus on the facts. We dont know the whole story. But what we do know according to the Associated Press witnesses heard the police say drop a knife while this man was walking away from the police as he had guns drawn to get back in the car. We dont know what was in the car when he got in the car. We dont know what the Police Officers saw. Yes, the lack of the body come ra footage will come camera footage will complicate that. We know blake was charged in july with the sexual assault, trespassing, Disorderly Conduct in connection with Domestic Abuse and there was a warrant out for his arrest. So, these are difficult terms to be working with. I think the police are blamed here right away for the situation. The other question should be asked whether the police put mr. Blake in this situation with the children in the back of the car while he was shot or whether mr. Blake who was asked to stop getting in the vehicle who put himself in the situation after being told multiple times to stop resisting arrest. The racial politics come in to this right away. The facts we have now tell a different story of the one told in a lot of reporting. Melissa katie, you are right and all of the questions need to be answered but the problem is we have had so much recent history it makes it difficult for people to wait for the right answer. We see another city go up in flames. It helps no one and solves nothing. To some extent you understand frustration and the impatience but we need the truth, the right answers. The correct answers. Thanks to all of you. So against the backdrop of that unrest, law and order is expected to be a major focus of the Republican National convention today. The big names likely to accuse democrats of ignoring violence in american cities. We will talk about all of that next. Alright, i brought in ensure max protein to give you the protein you need with less of the sugar you dont. [grunting noise] ill take that. Woohoo 30 grams of protein and 1 gram of sugar. Ensure max protein. 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Tech and youll get a text when were on our way. Tech just leave your keys on the dash and well replace your windshield with safe, nocontact service. Tech schedule at safelite. Com. Singers safelite repair, safelite replace. America is a story of a work in progress. That why its tragic to see so much of the Democratic Party turning a blind eye to riots and rage. Look at what is happening in american cities. Cities all run by democrats. Crime, violence and mob rule. Democrats refuse to denounce the mob. We wont settle for violence in our neighborhoods or at our border. It happened to george floyd is a disgrace. We cannot lose sight of the police are american heroes. Defunding the police is not an option. Harris republicans going after democrats on violent big city crime during Opening Night of the Republican Convention. We are likely to hear more of that tonight. Speakers you may see double down on President Trumps law and order messaging including Kentucky Attorney general daniel cameron, former Florida Attorney general pam bondi and angel mom Mary Ann Mendoza whose son was killed by undocumented driver in 2014. Ari, this is a lane that the president does well in any of the poll in. People want to feel safe. If they live near the cities on fire night after night, portland, oregon is a good example of that. Bad example. You understand what im saying. They feel even more like they can adhere to the message. Does the message need to resonate on Different Levels given all that has happened since may 25 . Ari it resonates on any level. There is a slice of america who has given up on the country. There are anarchists and violent people; particularly, in portland and seattle for two decades. This rioting is nothing new. It has nothing to do with george floyd. Floyd is the latest excuse to come out and riot and destroy. They hate the police. They hate much of america institutionally. That is the violent people in portland now. I separate that from the protesters. Protest is 100 legitimate patriotism. People taking to the street of whatever their cause is. If you cross line at the violence like they are doing, trying to burn down the police stations. Burn it down with people inside it. This is anarchy and a threat to all of us. This is the anarchy when you watch it on tv you say could it happen where i live . Its one of the reasons gun sales go up around the United States in times of violence. Public safety is a huge issue. Its interesting that its become a matter in this election campaign. It hasnt been since the clintonbiden years when they had a different philosophy of guns and safety of the streets. Now that is turned around and its a vulnerability for the democrats. Only thing people care about. It resonate its something people care about. It resonates. Harris i ask the question of the democratic guests and marie harf go back and forth with this. But im right when i say a lot of the rioting and all you see break apart, the democratled cities struggle with that now. They are not republicanrun cities. That is just how it is broken out. So my question following up; particularly, in places where the governor evers who might step up in wisconsin and say we are going to get to the bottom of this and do all the things that you said before we went to the commercial break last block about getting to the answers now with jacob blake. My question is where is that leadership in all of this . Does it not become fodder at a Republican Convention when you stand up and take back control of your city . With a vision, not just with more cops or more force on the street. But actually having a vision. Shannon there was a lot of analysis last week whether this was a missed opportunity at the d. N. C. For the Democratic Leaders to stand up and make it clear we support the peaceful protester and we support the message of justice that has to get out there. We completely denounce those who are looking to burn and loot and destroy businesses and lives in the name of the selfish desires. Not tied to anybody who needs accounting and justice in their name. So a lot of folks thought it was a missed opportunity. The r. N. C. Is going to talk about it. They have been talking about it. The president continues to talk about it. It was interesting that even as they alluded to it on night one, one of the reaction from the Washington Post is what a grim, scary outlook the r. N. C. Is painting. They told us it would be optimistic and its not because they touch on serious issues. To the person out there who are voters, they are watching the cities. Looking at this, they know there is more to the story. My late father is Law Enforcement officer. In portland they are going to 90 nights of this. Three months of this. The loved ones at home worry every time they walk out the door. Trying to do the job to the best of their ability. They are working overtime and drag in the situation. Good cop, somebody who has nothing in the past and nothing in the record. That is untoward. They still have to go take abuse and face situations. There is a great strain on Law Enforcement office officers. I think the president has tried to celebrate them. They have now endorsed him, many of the Police Unions who would havent done it with the republicans in the past. You will continue to hear that message at the r. N. C. Harris katie, shannon brings up such salient points about where the Police Leadership is. I have been talking with the Union Leaders across the country for months. They have been dealing with the low morale, and suicide spiking. They are taking away the Weekend Hours of the offtime. Our men and women in blue getting ready to work the shifts that are mind boggle something many days in a row. They are tired. They dont feel supported. It isnt everybody that is struggling in terms of the incidents. They are individuals as you say, katie. That is important to remember. Katie this is a recipe for the disaster as you see the retirement of the Police Officers and then you see the cities canceling the incoming classes of the new officers. So not only are you losing the veterans to teach young ones h

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